1 00:00:06,310 --> 00:00:09,966 And now, Rob McElhenney! 2 00:00:10,097 --> 00:00:12,969 [big band music] 3 00:00:13,100 --> 00:00:14,362 [cheers and applause] 4 00:00:14,449 --> 00:00:17,756 Hello! 5 00:00:17,887 --> 00:00:24,415 [cheers and applause] 6 00:00:24,589 --> 00:00:27,766 Please welcome my wife, the incomparable Kaitlin Olson. 7 00:00:27,897 --> 00:00:30,465 [cheers and applause] 8 00:00:30,595 --> 00:00:33,207 [upbeat music] 9 00:00:33,381 --> 00:00:35,339 Remember that clip that you showed earlier 10 00:00:35,470 --> 00:00:38,995 before the commercial, where we were all in England, 11 00:00:39,126 --> 00:00:40,997 celebrating what we thought was-- 12 00:00:41,171 --> 00:00:42,999 - Yeah, a goal. - You know, a goal. 13 00:00:43,130 --> 00:00:45,654 Um, can we play that, just the last part again? 14 00:00:45,784 --> 00:00:47,917 ANNOUNCER: Somebody needs to explain the offside rule... 15 00:00:48,004 --> 00:00:48,918 KAITLIN: Yeah. ANNOUNCER: To the A-listers. 16 00:00:49,049 --> 00:00:51,138 KAITLIN: Oh. ROB: Yeah? Oh, yeah. 17 00:00:51,312 --> 00:00:54,010 [laughter, applause] 18 00:00:54,141 --> 00:00:56,621 Oh, wow. The-- 19 00:00:56,708 --> 00:00:57,709 There I am. 20 00:00:57,883 --> 00:00:58,928 I turn around to, you know, 21 00:00:59,059 --> 00:01:00,669 congratulate my husband, 22 00:01:00,799 --> 00:01:03,280 and you just go ahead and jump right into the arms 23 00:01:03,367 --> 00:01:06,718 of Ryan Reynolds, just aggressively. 24 00:01:06,805 --> 00:01:07,937 - Okay. - You made a dec-- 25 00:01:08,068 --> 00:01:10,244 you saw me, and you turned, 26 00:01:10,374 --> 00:01:12,811 and you jumped right into his arms. 27 00:01:12,985 --> 00:01:15,249 In fairness... KAITLIN: Yeah? 28 00:01:15,379 --> 00:01:18,078 Who wouldn't want to jump into the arms of Ryan Reynolds? 29 00:01:18,165 --> 00:01:19,514 BUDDY HOLLY [singing]: Every day 30 00:01:19,601 --> 00:01:21,820 It's a-getting closer 31 00:01:21,951 --> 00:01:25,259 Going faster than a roller coaster 32 00:01:25,389 --> 00:01:30,090 Love like yours will surely come my way 33 00:01:30,177 --> 00:01:32,396 A-hey, a-hey-hey 34 00:01:32,570 --> 00:01:36,183 Every day, it's a-getting faster 35 00:01:36,270 --> 00:01:39,708 Everyone said, "Go ahead and ask her" 36 00:01:39,838 --> 00:01:44,191 Love like yours will surely come my way 37 00:01:44,321 --> 00:01:46,628 A-hey, a-hey-hey 38 00:01:46,758 --> 00:01:52,851 Love like yours will surely come my way 39 00:02:03,906 --> 00:02:04,907 No. 40 00:02:07,083 --> 00:02:09,564 I did hear. 41 00:02:09,651 --> 00:02:11,348 Kind of don't even know who he is. 42 00:02:11,435 --> 00:02:14,003 I'm supposed to know who he is, but apparently, 43 00:02:14,177 --> 00:02:15,787 he's someone in a movie. 44 00:02:15,874 --> 00:02:17,006 I don't know if you should say that in the mic. 45 00:02:17,093 --> 00:02:18,007 [laughs] It's true. 46 00:02:18,181 --> 00:02:20,227 I don't know who he is, either. 47 00:02:20,314 --> 00:02:21,228 - Who is he? - But I'm sure he'll do well. 48 00:02:21,402 --> 00:02:22,794 - Do you know who he is? - We wish him well, 49 00:02:22,968 --> 00:02:24,231 whoever he is. 50 00:02:24,405 --> 00:02:26,407 [exciting music] 51 00:02:26,537 --> 00:02:29,453 ROB: So when this whole thing started, I said to Kaitlin, 52 00:02:29,584 --> 00:02:31,238 what do you think about me seeing if Ryan 53 00:02:31,412 --> 00:02:33,327 would want to do this with me, like, 50-50? 54 00:02:33,457 --> 00:02:37,157 And she said, "Do you think your ego could handle 55 00:02:37,244 --> 00:02:39,159 sharing a screen with Ryan Reynolds?" 56 00:02:45,121 --> 00:02:46,949 ROB: That-- that doesn't surprise me. 57 00:02:47,036 --> 00:02:48,472 He's not that well-known. 58 00:02:48,603 --> 00:02:51,040 Well, he's got Rob backing him now, and Humphrey. 59 00:02:51,127 --> 00:02:53,216 So the guy'll go somewhere. - [laughs] 60 00:02:53,347 --> 00:02:54,739 You set up-- I gotta get in here. 61 00:02:54,826 --> 00:02:56,915 Haha. All right. 62 00:02:57,089 --> 00:02:58,395 All right, see you soon. 63 00:02:58,482 --> 00:02:59,701 I will, uh-- I will see you soon. Bye. 64 00:02:59,831 --> 00:03:01,572 HOST: So let's start from the very beginning. 65 00:03:01,703 --> 00:03:05,924 Um, Ryan, I hear your friendship actually started 66 00:03:06,098 --> 00:03:08,840 when Rob slid into your DMs. 67 00:03:08,927 --> 00:03:10,059 Do you want to spill the tea on that one a little bit? 68 00:03:10,233 --> 00:03:12,844 RYAN: No! No, I slid into his DMs. 69 00:03:12,931 --> 00:03:14,063 HOST: Oh, you slid into his DMs? 70 00:03:14,237 --> 00:03:15,934 Oh, my God, yeah. I mean-- 71 00:03:16,108 --> 00:03:17,371 ROB: How quickly-- - Are you kidding me? 72 00:03:17,545 --> 00:03:19,286 How quickly the story changes. RYAN: I know. 73 00:03:19,373 --> 00:03:21,853 ROB: Okay, so Ryan, this is what's called a soundstage. 74 00:03:22,027 --> 00:03:23,594 RYAN: Really? ROB: Yeah. 75 00:03:23,725 --> 00:03:25,030 RYAN: And they don't use ceilings? 76 00:03:25,161 --> 00:03:27,511 ROB: They make movies, they make TV. 77 00:03:27,685 --> 00:03:29,209 Well, there is a ceiling. 78 00:03:29,296 --> 00:03:31,646 I'd seen an episode of his show 79 00:03:31,733 --> 00:03:35,737 that I found to be particularly inspiring and beautiful. 80 00:03:35,867 --> 00:03:37,739 I slid into his DMs, and I wrote, 81 00:03:37,913 --> 00:03:39,958 "Powder my bottom and put me to bed." 82 00:03:40,089 --> 00:03:41,960 ROB: This is not actually a bar. 83 00:03:42,091 --> 00:03:43,527 RYAN: Look at this. 84 00:03:43,701 --> 00:03:44,963 Yeah. 85 00:03:45,137 --> 00:03:48,097 Oh, wow. ROB: Yeah. 86 00:03:48,184 --> 00:03:50,404 RYAN: He DM'd me back, and then we kind of became, 87 00:03:50,534 --> 00:03:52,101 you know, digital friends-- HOST: Yeah. 88 00:03:52,188 --> 00:03:54,538 Which later turned into real-life human friends. 89 00:03:54,669 --> 00:03:56,540 ROB: Platonic relationships between men 90 00:03:56,714 --> 00:03:59,239 is a complicated subject. 91 00:03:59,326 --> 00:04:01,066 And Ryan and I had questions. 92 00:04:01,197 --> 00:04:04,679 RYAN: So we went to the only logical place for answers-- 93 00:04:04,766 --> 00:04:05,767 a woman. 94 00:04:05,897 --> 00:04:07,421 Hi, my name is Liz Plank. 95 00:04:07,551 --> 00:04:09,553 And I am the author of For the Love of Men: 96 00:04:09,684 --> 00:04:11,338 A Vision for Mindful Masculinity. 97 00:04:11,512 --> 00:04:12,687 I'm a journalist. 98 00:04:12,774 --> 00:04:15,777 I'm a filmmaker, a columnist, podcast. 99 00:04:15,951 --> 00:04:17,561 I noticed, in the first episode of the show, 100 00:04:17,692 --> 00:04:21,217 Rob said that he went to Ryan for "movie money." 101 00:04:21,391 --> 00:04:24,220 Also felt like an excuse to actually 102 00:04:24,394 --> 00:04:26,266 probably be friends with Ryan and spend time with Ryan. 103 00:04:29,094 --> 00:04:29,921 - You're, like, dating? - I don't know. 104 00:04:30,095 --> 00:04:31,923 I'm definitely gonna swoon. 105 00:04:32,010 --> 00:04:35,666 So you gotta--you gotta stay wide for that shot. 106 00:04:35,840 --> 00:04:38,365 'Cause if you see my eyes, I'm gonna be, like, floating. 107 00:04:38,495 --> 00:04:40,018 [laughs] 108 00:04:40,149 --> 00:04:42,151 He's probably gonna pick me up like a child. 109 00:04:42,238 --> 00:04:45,372 [laughs] And cradle me. 110 00:04:45,459 --> 00:04:48,462 There's also the weird phenomenon, that is true, 111 00:04:48,592 --> 00:04:51,465 that if you see--if you watch somebody long enough 112 00:04:51,595 --> 00:04:53,684 over an extended period of time, 113 00:04:53,815 --> 00:04:55,033 you start to feel like you know them anyway. 114 00:04:55,164 --> 00:04:59,690 So even before we connected, you know, 115 00:04:59,864 --> 00:05:01,126 you get a sense that you kind of know that person, 116 00:05:01,257 --> 00:05:02,345 even though you don't. 117 00:05:02,476 --> 00:05:05,392 We became pretty close, pretty fast. 118 00:05:05,566 --> 00:05:06,480 - The Rookie. - Okay. 119 00:05:06,610 --> 00:05:08,351 - Dennis Quaid. - Whoa, look-- 120 00:05:08,482 --> 00:05:10,048 Like, a 40-year-old pitcher in the major-- 121 00:05:10,179 --> 00:05:13,487 Can we just address the-- 122 00:05:13,661 --> 00:05:16,098 can we address the mustache in the room? 123 00:05:17,882 --> 00:05:20,711 [dreamy music] 124 00:05:20,885 --> 00:05:23,410 I've heard a lot of people refer to our relationship 125 00:05:23,584 --> 00:05:24,846 as a bromance. 126 00:05:24,976 --> 00:05:26,500 I find that fascinating. 127 00:05:26,630 --> 00:05:29,851 The definition of the word bromance is just-- 128 00:05:29,981 --> 00:05:33,594 it's a platonic relationship between two men. 129 00:05:33,724 --> 00:05:36,161 There's no female equivalent to the term bromance. 130 00:05:36,292 --> 00:05:38,512 The female equivalent is friends. 131 00:05:38,642 --> 00:05:42,951 And so the fact that we need a term to describe two men 132 00:05:43,081 --> 00:05:45,997 going out to dinner, I think, is very revealing 133 00:05:46,084 --> 00:05:49,349 about what men are allowed or are not allowed to do, 134 00:05:49,436 --> 00:05:51,742 and how much self-policing there is 135 00:05:51,916 --> 00:05:54,745 when it comes to their relationships with other men. 136 00:05:54,876 --> 00:05:57,095 ROB: It's so funny, and so indicative 137 00:05:57,269 --> 00:05:59,228 of where we are as a culture now, 138 00:05:59,315 --> 00:06:02,971 that we have to use cute terms to define 139 00:06:03,101 --> 00:06:05,016 an intimate relationship between two men. 140 00:06:05,103 --> 00:06:06,409 I don't know why. 141 00:06:06,540 --> 00:06:07,454 I think maybe it's because it's easier for us 142 00:06:07,584 --> 00:06:10,195 to talk about it by making it sound 143 00:06:10,326 --> 00:06:11,893 a little bit more juvenile, 144 00:06:12,023 --> 00:06:13,677 or just cute and funny. 145 00:06:13,851 --> 00:06:16,158 So bromance is almost this permission 146 00:06:16,245 --> 00:06:18,247 for men to connect, 147 00:06:18,378 --> 00:06:20,902 and to show love to each other. 148 00:06:21,076 --> 00:06:22,773 Because it's like-- it's like a joke. 149 00:06:22,904 --> 00:06:26,386 I've been waiting for the right, peaceful moment 150 00:06:26,473 --> 00:06:28,692 to ask you, 151 00:06:28,823 --> 00:06:31,565 do you harbor any anger 152 00:06:31,695 --> 00:06:33,567 and/or resentment towards me 153 00:06:33,697 --> 00:06:36,396 for asking you to do this? [laughs] 154 00:06:36,483 --> 00:06:37,788 My wife wants to kill you, Rob. 155 00:06:37,919 --> 00:06:38,485 Yeah. 156 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:46,710 [cheering] 157 00:06:46,841 --> 00:06:48,451 LIZ: Men prove their manhood 158 00:06:48,582 --> 00:06:52,934 by ascribing to the definition of masculinity 159 00:06:53,108 --> 00:06:55,502 that they've been told they need to aspire to, 160 00:06:55,589 --> 00:06:58,505 which is, you know, domination, aggression, 161 00:06:58,635 --> 00:07:00,289 winning at all costs. 162 00:07:00,463 --> 00:07:01,595 - This is what men do! - Yeah! 163 00:07:01,725 --> 00:07:03,292 - This is men stuff! - Yeah! 164 00:07:03,379 --> 00:07:05,729 ROB: Traditionally, men have liked to get together 165 00:07:05,903 --> 00:07:08,732 with groups of other men and do stuff, 166 00:07:08,863 --> 00:07:12,170 whether that be go to football matches, 167 00:07:12,344 --> 00:07:13,955 play football, play golf, 168 00:07:14,085 --> 00:07:15,957 drink, uh, 169 00:07:16,131 --> 00:07:19,003 hang out, talk, shoot the shit, 170 00:07:19,090 --> 00:07:20,657 rove in gangs, 171 00:07:20,744 --> 00:07:22,180 beat the living shit out of each other, 172 00:07:22,354 --> 00:07:23,399 compete with one another. 173 00:07:23,530 --> 00:07:25,183 Look at my heel. - Right? 174 00:07:25,357 --> 00:07:27,185 - You have a heel, too! - Yeah, I--I wear-- 175 00:07:27,359 --> 00:07:28,665 And I wore... - This is great. 176 00:07:28,752 --> 00:07:31,842 Three-inch lifts just to really hammer home-- 177 00:07:31,973 --> 00:07:33,322 George said to establish dominance right away. 178 00:07:33,453 --> 00:07:34,889 I know, but it's not happening. 179 00:07:34,976 --> 00:07:36,543 - No, I know, not at all. - Yes! 180 00:07:36,630 --> 00:07:37,761 And I'm very thin compared to these guns. 181 00:07:37,892 --> 00:07:39,676 - Yeah, look at this. Yeah. - Good Lord. 182 00:07:39,763 --> 00:07:42,200 I read somewhere that lifting weights 183 00:07:42,374 --> 00:07:43,898 increases height. - True. 184 00:07:43,985 --> 00:07:45,073 Give me some more gum for Dennis. 185 00:07:45,203 --> 00:07:46,727 - No, I don't trust you. - Why not? 186 00:07:46,857 --> 00:07:47,641 'Cause you're just gonna put it in your mouth 187 00:07:47,771 --> 00:07:49,904 and eat it again. - I won't. I promise. 188 00:07:49,991 --> 00:07:52,341 Hmm, his neck is high. It makes me trust him. 189 00:07:52,472 --> 00:07:53,429 Good posture, bro. Okay. 190 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,431 - Come on. - All right, I trust you. 191 00:07:55,605 --> 00:07:56,432 - How are you? - What's your name? 192 00:07:56,606 --> 00:07:57,433 - Good, how are you? - James. 193 00:07:57,564 --> 00:07:59,000 LIZ: I just find it really funny 194 00:07:59,130 --> 00:08:01,655 just watching men, like, greet each other. 195 00:08:01,829 --> 00:08:04,658 I feel like I have secondhand stress 196 00:08:04,832 --> 00:08:06,877 about seeing two men sometimes greet each other. 197 00:08:07,008 --> 00:08:08,575 Because sometimes it's like a straight-up handshake. 198 00:08:08,705 --> 00:08:10,577 Sometimes, it's the handshake, but like, 199 00:08:10,664 --> 00:08:12,013 kind of the clap, and then they, like, 200 00:08:12,187 --> 00:08:13,449 still kind of touch. 201 00:08:13,580 --> 00:08:15,016 Sometimes, it's the handshake 202 00:08:15,146 --> 00:08:16,539 followed by the hug, tap, tap. 203 00:08:16,670 --> 00:08:18,106 And then it keeps going while they're talking, 204 00:08:18,236 --> 00:08:19,586 but sometimes they pull out. 205 00:08:19,716 --> 00:08:22,110 There's-- there's the fist bump, 206 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:23,503 obviously, as well. 207 00:08:23,590 --> 00:08:25,592 I feel confused, and I feel stressed 208 00:08:25,766 --> 00:08:27,681 seeing men trying to greet each other. 209 00:08:27,811 --> 00:08:30,031 CAMERAPERSON: It's very weird. Like, I'm a hugger. 210 00:08:30,205 --> 00:08:32,512 But like, some guys will throw in the-- 211 00:08:32,599 --> 00:08:34,514 they need the hand-- 212 00:08:34,601 --> 00:08:36,254 LIZ: Oh, with the hug? 213 00:08:36,385 --> 00:08:37,691 CAMERAPERSON: The hand with the hug because you can't just-- 214 00:08:37,821 --> 00:08:39,127 You can't touch hearts. CAMERAPERSON: For the hug. 215 00:08:39,257 --> 00:08:40,345 Okay, yes. Okay. 216 00:08:40,476 --> 00:08:41,042 CAMERAPERSON: That's too intimate. 217 00:08:41,172 --> 00:08:42,696 Too intimate. 218 00:08:42,826 --> 00:08:44,611 You gotta keep something in between the bodies. 219 00:08:44,785 --> 00:08:46,308 And then one day, you'll graduate 220 00:08:46,395 --> 00:08:50,312 to just your hearts touching. 221 00:08:50,399 --> 00:08:53,533 Sports becomes this safe space 222 00:08:53,620 --> 00:08:55,056 for men to love each other, 223 00:08:55,230 --> 00:08:56,927 and to relate to each other, 224 00:08:57,058 --> 00:09:00,409 not just, you know, emotionally, but also physically. 225 00:09:00,496 --> 00:09:02,063 Like, I just find it fascinating 226 00:09:02,237 --> 00:09:06,067 watching, you know, men on a football field 227 00:09:06,154 --> 00:09:09,200 touching each other, and being very affectionate, 228 00:09:09,287 --> 00:09:10,941 being very physically close with each other-- 229 00:09:11,072 --> 00:09:12,769 even, like, slapping each other's butts. 230 00:09:12,856 --> 00:09:14,510 When can men slap each other's butts 231 00:09:14,684 --> 00:09:16,512 except when they're on a football field? 232 00:09:16,643 --> 00:09:18,427 [cheering] 233 00:09:18,601 --> 00:09:20,298 Do men get close with each other 234 00:09:20,472 --> 00:09:21,430 because they love sports? 235 00:09:21,517 --> 00:09:23,171 Or do men do sports because 236 00:09:23,301 --> 00:09:24,868 they want to be close to each other? 237 00:09:24,999 --> 00:09:27,001 I've watched you become a massive sports fan, 238 00:09:27,088 --> 00:09:29,090 which I don't think you were before. 239 00:09:29,264 --> 00:09:30,439 I wasn't. I mean, I've always-- 240 00:09:30,570 --> 00:09:31,440 I always played sports. 241 00:09:31,571 --> 00:09:32,876 I loved playing sports. 242 00:09:33,007 --> 00:09:36,532 But the idea or the thought of this 243 00:09:36,663 --> 00:09:39,883 never, never was on my vision board. 244 00:09:40,014 --> 00:09:42,016 Part of the fun isn't just getting 245 00:09:42,103 --> 00:09:43,408 to hang out with each other, 246 00:09:43,539 --> 00:09:44,758 or having a football team together. 247 00:09:44,888 --> 00:09:46,673 It's also talking about things 248 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,676 that can be, uh, uncomfortable. 249 00:09:49,763 --> 00:09:52,026 We filmed our colonoscopies together, for God's sake. 250 00:09:52,113 --> 00:09:53,549 It's the first time you've had a colonoscopy. 251 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:54,550 - Yeah. - And-- 252 00:09:54,681 --> 00:09:56,117 We're fucking filming it. 253 00:09:56,247 --> 00:09:57,118 You're filming it-- 254 00:09:57,292 --> 00:09:59,773 Which is, like, also just awful. 255 00:09:59,947 --> 00:10:03,211 Can't believe you pumped all that Aviation Gin into my IV. 256 00:10:03,341 --> 00:10:06,562 I was out like a light. 257 00:10:06,736 --> 00:10:09,783 They didn't find Rosebud up there? 258 00:10:09,957 --> 00:10:11,349 ROB: I figure I can't go wrong in terms of 259 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,569 comparing myself to Ryan. 260 00:10:13,700 --> 00:10:15,049 They either find nothing, 261 00:10:15,136 --> 00:10:17,355 and that means my colon was cleaner than his. 262 00:10:17,529 --> 00:10:19,009 Or they find a polyp. 263 00:10:19,140 --> 00:10:20,489 All set. 264 00:10:20,576 --> 00:10:22,143 And it's either bigger than his, 265 00:10:22,317 --> 00:10:24,275 which is awesome, 266 00:10:24,406 --> 00:10:26,060 or it's smaller than his, 267 00:10:26,147 --> 00:10:29,063 which means I had less of an opportunity to have cancer. 268 00:10:29,150 --> 00:10:30,455 Either way, I win. 269 00:10:30,586 --> 00:10:32,283 You can just relax. 270 00:10:32,414 --> 00:10:33,502 [laughs] 271 00:10:34,808 --> 00:10:36,374 How was it before? 272 00:10:36,548 --> 00:10:37,724 NURSE: It was good. 273 00:10:37,898 --> 00:10:40,596 The last one was 113 over 48. 274 00:10:43,294 --> 00:10:45,079 Is it better than Ryan's? 275 00:10:45,166 --> 00:10:47,734 NURSE: Yeah. 276 00:10:47,821 --> 00:10:50,214 We're back here with Ryan Reynolds and the other guy. 277 00:10:50,301 --> 00:10:53,696 [laughter] 278 00:10:53,827 --> 00:10:57,482 I think we both have enormous respect for each other, 279 00:10:57,613 --> 00:10:59,876 which is what I think is the backbone 280 00:10:59,963 --> 00:11:01,617 to any healthy relationship. 281 00:11:01,748 --> 00:11:04,141 Any endeavor at this point in my life 282 00:11:04,272 --> 00:11:07,536 is an opportunity to continue to forge new relationships. 283 00:11:07,623 --> 00:11:09,973 So it was really special, 284 00:11:10,147 --> 00:11:11,888 and has been really special to me, 285 00:11:11,975 --> 00:11:13,411 my relationship with him. 286 00:11:13,542 --> 00:11:16,066 In many ways, sports becomes this performance for men 287 00:11:16,197 --> 00:11:19,504 to really be that ideal of masculinity 288 00:11:19,635 --> 00:11:21,637 that they're told to aspire to. 289 00:11:21,768 --> 00:11:23,987 And, you know, maybe Rob and Ryan-- 290 00:11:24,118 --> 00:11:25,641 I mean, they're performers. 291 00:11:25,815 --> 00:11:28,557 And so, they're still out there, maybe some way, 292 00:11:28,644 --> 00:11:31,125 performing maybe not for their dads, 293 00:11:31,212 --> 00:11:32,648 but for each other. 294 00:11:32,822 --> 00:11:34,781 That's why Rob is a fuck-face clown. 295 00:11:34,911 --> 00:11:35,912 He's just-- ROB: Aw, man. 296 00:11:35,999 --> 00:11:37,218 Oh, Jesus. Rob-- 297 00:11:37,392 --> 00:11:38,219 oh, hi, Mr. Chairman. 298 00:11:38,393 --> 00:11:39,437 ROB: How are you? 299 00:11:39,611 --> 00:11:40,656 How are you? You look nice. 300 00:11:40,830 --> 00:11:42,005 ROB: I'm sorry about interrupting you. 301 00:11:42,136 --> 00:11:43,790 I'm covered in microphones-- 302 00:11:43,877 --> 00:11:44,791 - It's good to see--hi. - So I can't stand up. 303 00:11:44,965 --> 00:11:46,140 - Well, hello. - Hi. 304 00:11:46,227 --> 00:11:47,315 You guys are in the middle of your thing? 305 00:11:47,445 --> 00:11:49,447 God, you're handsome. Um... 306 00:11:49,621 --> 00:11:51,101 All right. - Yeah, did you get that? 307 00:11:51,232 --> 00:11:52,581 CAMERAPERSON: Last question. - Come here. 308 00:11:52,668 --> 00:11:55,192 ROB: Are we concerned about Ryan being overexposed? 309 00:11:55,323 --> 00:11:56,454 I think that's a fair-- - I'm plenty overexposed. 310 00:11:56,628 --> 00:11:58,021 - I think that's fair. - Come on. 311 00:11:58,195 --> 00:11:59,240 Where? You want to go in here? 312 00:11:59,370 --> 00:12:00,458 There you go. Yeah, that's good. 313 00:12:00,589 --> 00:12:01,372 Now, I feel like we're really close. 314 00:12:04,680 --> 00:12:07,683 [sprinklers swishing] 315 00:12:25,483 --> 00:12:27,355 I can make a cup of tea. 316 00:12:27,485 --> 00:12:29,139 I make the best cup of tea here. 317 00:12:29,270 --> 00:12:30,488 Why do you think they got me on here? 318 00:12:33,143 --> 00:12:34,579 Chal doesn't have sugar. 319 00:12:34,710 --> 00:12:36,756 You got to have sugar, though. 320 00:12:36,843 --> 00:12:39,280 Tea's not the same without sugar. 321 00:12:39,454 --> 00:12:41,935 Hey, you deserve a cuppa, Chal. 322 00:12:42,065 --> 00:12:43,066 See? 323 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:44,633 There is something that-- 324 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,375 I see you've got some Yorkshire bags in. 325 00:12:47,505 --> 00:12:48,855 Where's the milk? 326 00:12:49,029 --> 00:12:50,291 HARRY: What? - Where's the milk? 327 00:12:50,421 --> 00:12:51,509 HARRY: It's in there. 328 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:52,206 You said you don't like too much milk. 329 00:12:52,336 --> 00:12:53,947 Eh? 330 00:12:54,121 --> 00:12:54,643 Oh, no, you like a little more milk, don't you? 331 00:12:54,817 --> 00:12:55,862 CHAL: Yeah. 332 00:12:55,992 --> 00:12:57,298 Well, go and have more then, Chal. 333 00:12:57,472 --> 00:12:59,387 if you're gonna be ungrateful. I'll put these away. 334 00:12:59,517 --> 00:13:01,868 This is the life skills you need to learn, innit, Harry? 335 00:13:01,955 --> 00:13:03,565 A cup of tea's one of the most important things. 336 00:13:03,652 --> 00:13:05,523 HARRY: It is, Chal. 337 00:13:05,654 --> 00:13:07,308 More milky next time. 338 00:13:07,482 --> 00:13:08,004 I got you. 339 00:13:10,180 --> 00:13:12,530 It's the worst cup of tea I've had all day, Harry. 340 00:13:12,661 --> 00:13:13,880 Don't put me down like that, Chal... 341 00:13:14,010 --> 00:13:16,317 [light music] 342 00:13:16,447 --> 00:13:19,059 [indistinct chatter] 343 00:13:19,189 --> 00:13:22,758 Well, my earliest memory of being a fan is 344 00:13:22,889 --> 00:13:24,760 since I could talk, since I could kick a ball, 345 00:13:24,934 --> 00:13:27,110 since I've come out the womb, I just love Wrexham. 346 00:13:27,284 --> 00:13:30,113 My room is full of Wrexham stuff, to be honest. 347 00:13:30,244 --> 00:13:32,768 Being a football fan or Wrexham fan, it's just-- 348 00:13:32,899 --> 00:13:35,205 it's just run through your family, 349 00:13:35,379 --> 00:13:38,339 and my dad, obviously, and my granddad on my side. 350 00:13:38,469 --> 00:13:40,558 And they've just always been a Wrexham fan, 351 00:13:40,732 --> 00:13:42,256 and it's just run to me, now. 352 00:13:42,343 --> 00:13:44,693 So hopefully, when I have kids, they'll be Wrexham fans. 353 00:13:44,867 --> 00:13:46,564 'Cause I don't think it'll ever, 354 00:13:46,695 --> 00:13:49,916 ever stop, my racecourse. 355 00:13:50,090 --> 00:13:52,570 I think that boys grow up thinking, 356 00:13:52,744 --> 00:13:54,355 "This is how I need to, 357 00:13:54,485 --> 00:13:56,574 you know, get my dad's approval." 358 00:13:56,705 --> 00:14:00,361 Because their dads, that's how they got their dad's approval. 359 00:14:00,491 --> 00:14:02,493 And it's kind of just passed down. 360 00:14:02,580 --> 00:14:03,799 Not necessarily questioned. 361 00:14:03,930 --> 00:14:06,236 RYAN: I played football for nine years. 362 00:14:06,367 --> 00:14:07,716 I played rugby, I played baseball, 363 00:14:07,803 --> 00:14:11,154 and I played soccer, as we call it. 364 00:14:11,241 --> 00:14:14,505 And that was my kind of version of validation at that age, 365 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,072 and--you know? 366 00:14:16,159 --> 00:14:18,945 Yeah, he really, like, valued that, you know? 367 00:14:19,032 --> 00:14:20,947 One of the really interesting things that happened 368 00:14:21,121 --> 00:14:22,949 in the pandemic is that there was 369 00:14:23,036 --> 00:14:24,385 this incredible social experiment 370 00:14:24,515 --> 00:14:27,344 where sports basically, like, went away. 371 00:14:27,475 --> 00:14:31,479 So one of the things I just started asking men around me-- 372 00:14:31,609 --> 00:14:34,090 you know, I would say, what do you miss the most about sports? 373 00:14:34,177 --> 00:14:38,529 And the first guy I asked had a tear go down-- 374 00:14:38,616 --> 00:14:40,488 like, just literally go down his face. 375 00:14:40,618 --> 00:14:42,925 And he said, "Talking about it with my dad." 376 00:14:43,056 --> 00:14:45,972 And I used to go with my dad and my brother to games. 377 00:14:46,102 --> 00:14:48,757 And in general, it was a family thing. 378 00:14:48,931 --> 00:14:50,628 Growing up with-- me and my dad, 379 00:14:50,759 --> 00:14:52,630 he took me from an early age. 380 00:14:52,804 --> 00:14:55,198 And it's something that's in the blood. 381 00:14:55,329 --> 00:14:57,984 So what they miss the most about sports wasn't-- 382 00:14:58,071 --> 00:15:00,203 didn't actually have anything to do with sports. 383 00:15:00,290 --> 00:15:04,860 It was about the relationships that they were able to have 384 00:15:04,991 --> 00:15:07,080 when they were watching sports together. 385 00:15:07,210 --> 00:15:08,733 I was a real youngster. 386 00:15:08,864 --> 00:15:10,213 Me dad used to take me over to Liverpool years ago 387 00:15:10,387 --> 00:15:11,867 to watch the games. 388 00:15:11,998 --> 00:15:14,304 And actually, once I moved to Wrexham, 389 00:15:14,435 --> 00:15:16,306 I just started attending Wrexham games straight away. 390 00:15:16,437 --> 00:15:18,526 Yeah, I just started watching Wrexham and loved it. 391 00:15:18,656 --> 00:15:20,006 Just fell in love with it. 392 00:15:20,180 --> 00:15:22,182 From when I could first kick a ball, 393 00:15:22,312 --> 00:15:25,228 my dad always had the belief that I was good. 394 00:15:25,402 --> 00:15:26,664 He could see that I was good. 395 00:15:26,838 --> 00:15:29,015 And I can only appreciate that because 396 00:15:29,189 --> 00:15:31,104 what I used to get from him watching 397 00:15:31,234 --> 00:15:33,584 and his feedback would drive me on even more. 398 00:15:33,671 --> 00:15:37,110 For a lot of boys who grew up being told that sports was 399 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,025 where they could really prove themselves 400 00:15:39,199 --> 00:15:41,114 and have a relationship with their father, 401 00:15:41,288 --> 00:15:43,333 or have a relationship with other boys, 402 00:15:43,464 --> 00:15:46,684 they can grow up into adulthood repeating that, 403 00:15:46,858 --> 00:15:50,384 where sports becomes the way to earn that connection 404 00:15:50,514 --> 00:15:52,342 with other men. 405 00:15:52,473 --> 00:15:55,563 And maybe with our culture, or with society at large, too. 406 00:15:55,693 --> 00:15:56,738 Time to see if I still got it. 407 00:15:56,825 --> 00:15:58,479 Aye. 408 00:15:58,653 --> 00:16:02,396 It's so nice that he still wants to take his dad 409 00:16:02,483 --> 00:16:04,702 out for a pint, you know, and take him to the match, 410 00:16:04,833 --> 00:16:06,835 and look after me, and-- 411 00:16:06,966 --> 00:16:09,707 you know, with his mates. 412 00:16:09,838 --> 00:16:13,711 I'm part of a-- the crowd, if you want. 413 00:16:13,885 --> 00:16:16,149 And that's what makes me so happy, you know? 414 00:16:16,279 --> 00:16:18,281 I can't ask for anything more than that. 415 00:16:18,412 --> 00:16:21,371 Boys day out. Three generations here. 416 00:16:21,502 --> 00:16:22,807 Same as when we go to the match, 417 00:16:22,938 --> 00:16:24,200 and we've got three generations here. 418 00:16:24,287 --> 00:16:25,506 You just pass it down, don't you? 419 00:16:25,636 --> 00:16:26,637 Like, you got it from Granddad. 420 00:16:26,811 --> 00:16:28,248 I got it from you. 421 00:16:28,378 --> 00:16:29,727 It's just-- and I give it to these boys. 422 00:16:29,901 --> 00:16:31,512 It's in our DNA now innit, eh? 423 00:16:31,686 --> 00:16:33,731 In our Winter DNA, lad? Muah. 424 00:16:33,862 --> 00:16:34,950 It certainly is. 425 00:16:35,081 --> 00:16:36,169 - That's right, it bloody is. - Yeah? 426 00:16:51,184 --> 00:16:52,185 I'm not ready for it though, Chal. 427 00:16:52,315 --> 00:16:54,230 I told you, bit immature inside. 428 00:16:54,317 --> 00:16:56,363 I can't even cook an egg. 429 00:16:58,408 --> 00:17:00,541 So this is when you're on a date, 430 00:17:00,715 --> 00:17:03,196 when you have the first sleepover, can make-- 431 00:17:03,370 --> 00:17:05,067 you can make her an egg in the morning. 432 00:17:05,198 --> 00:17:06,460 Yeah, why don't you chuck that one in? 433 00:17:06,590 --> 00:17:09,767 [laughter] 434 00:17:09,898 --> 00:17:11,856 You fucking idiot. 435 00:17:11,987 --> 00:17:14,424 Let's--we have a really star candidate. 436 00:17:14,555 --> 00:17:17,123 What, so don't do it too hard this time, yeah? 437 00:17:17,253 --> 00:17:18,820 Take your time cracking the egg. 438 00:17:18,907 --> 00:17:21,040 [laughter] 439 00:17:21,127 --> 00:17:22,563 - Man City. - Yeah. 440 00:17:22,693 --> 00:17:24,130 ROB: When I was in grade school, 441 00:17:24,217 --> 00:17:25,479 my dad and I would just come home 442 00:17:25,566 --> 00:17:26,828 and we'd play basketball. 443 00:17:26,915 --> 00:17:29,265 And I would try to win. 444 00:17:29,352 --> 00:17:31,572 And I wouldn't let him 445 00:17:31,702 --> 00:17:32,921 let me win. 446 00:17:33,052 --> 00:17:34,662 In some ways, what is the point 447 00:17:34,792 --> 00:17:36,142 if there's no competition? 448 00:17:36,229 --> 00:17:37,708 Because that's what's sort of driving us 449 00:17:37,882 --> 00:17:39,928 all forward instinctually. 450 00:17:40,059 --> 00:17:41,234 Goal! 451 00:17:41,364 --> 00:17:43,105 And then it's only in reflection 452 00:17:43,236 --> 00:17:45,455 where you realize, like, oh, right, 453 00:17:45,586 --> 00:17:46,848 I--who the fuck cares? 454 00:17:46,935 --> 00:17:48,806 I do not understand offsides. 455 00:17:48,937 --> 00:17:50,243 Like, offsides is, like, here. 456 00:17:50,373 --> 00:17:51,592 But then it's also there. 457 00:17:51,766 --> 00:17:53,463 But when you get a penalty-- 458 00:17:53,637 --> 00:17:54,160 ANNOUNCER: It's come down to the final 20 minutes here. 459 00:17:54,334 --> 00:17:55,813 - Yes? - It's not a goal? 460 00:17:55,944 --> 00:17:57,250 Yes, it doesn't make any sense. 461 00:17:57,380 --> 00:17:59,295 I don't remember any specific game. 462 00:17:59,382 --> 00:18:01,297 I just remember-- 463 00:18:04,692 --> 00:18:06,737 I just remember playing with my dad, 464 00:18:06,911 --> 00:18:08,174 you know? 465 00:18:08,348 --> 00:18:14,180 [Cat Stevens' "Father & Son"] 466 00:18:15,616 --> 00:18:18,967 CAT STEVENS [singing: It's not time to make a change 467 00:18:19,098 --> 00:18:22,753 Just relax, take it easy 468 00:18:22,927 --> 00:18:24,712 You're still young 469 00:18:24,842 --> 00:18:26,627 That's your fault 470 00:18:26,801 --> 00:18:29,978 There's so much you have to know 471 00:18:30,065 --> 00:18:33,764 Find a girl, settle down 472 00:18:33,851 --> 00:18:37,290 If you want, you can marry 473 00:18:37,420 --> 00:18:39,335 Look at me 474 00:18:39,422 --> 00:18:44,427 I am old, but I'm happy 475 00:18:44,601 --> 00:18:47,996 I was once like you are now 476 00:18:48,127 --> 00:18:51,565 And I know that it's not easy 477 00:18:51,739 --> 00:18:53,871 To be calm 478 00:18:54,002 --> 00:18:58,876 When you've found something going on 479 00:18:59,007 --> 00:19:02,228 But take your time, think a lot 480 00:19:02,315 --> 00:19:05,361 Why, think of everything you've got 481 00:19:05,448 --> 00:19:09,670 For you will still be here tomorrow 482 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,108 But your dreams may not 483 00:19:20,246 --> 00:19:23,249 If he's calling me his son and, you know, 484 00:19:23,423 --> 00:19:25,033 taking me by his wing like he is, 485 00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:26,165 and showing me like he is, yeah, 486 00:19:26,252 --> 00:19:27,775 I'd say he does feel like-- 487 00:19:27,905 --> 00:19:29,168 he does feel like a father figure, in a way. 488 00:19:32,214 --> 00:19:33,607 Genius. - You're a master? 489 00:19:33,694 --> 00:19:34,999 Mm. 490 00:19:35,130 --> 00:19:36,566 You've got to have plenty of role models 491 00:19:36,697 --> 00:19:38,351 in your life to become who you are, haven't you? 492 00:19:38,481 --> 00:19:41,615 And... 493 00:19:41,702 --> 00:19:43,312 Yeah. 494 00:19:46,054 --> 00:19:52,756 CAT STEVENS [singing]: I know I have to go 495 00:20:18,869 --> 00:20:20,306 [child giggles, seagull cries]