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<i>[blowing air]</i>

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<i>[Sam Harris] I have discovered
a significant part</i>

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<i>of Trump's appeal.</i>

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<i>In particular, I think
I finally understand</i>

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<i>how he is supported
because of his flaws,</i>

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<i>rather than in spite of them.</i>

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<i>How are all the things I find
despicable in him not merely</i>

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<i>things that people are
willing to overlook,</i>

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<i>but reasons
in and of themselves</i>

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<i>why people support him?</i>

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<i>One thing that Trump
never communicates,</i>

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<i>and cannot possibly
communicate,</i>

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<i>is a sense
of his moral superiority.</i>

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<i>[newscaster] And votes
still being tallied...</i>

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<i>[Sam] Because he is never
really judging you.</i>

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<i>He can't possibly judge you.</i>

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<i>He offers a truly safe space
for human frailty</i>

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<i>and hypocrisy and self-doubt.</i>

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<i>[humming]</i>

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<i>[Sam] He offers what no priest
can credibly offer--</i>

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<i>a total expiation of shame.</i>

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<i>His personal shamelessness
is a kind of spiritual balm.</i>

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<i>Trump is fat Jesus.</i>

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<i>He's "grab them
by the pussy" Jesus.</i>

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<i>He's "I'll eat nothing
but cheeseburgers</i>

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<i>if I want to" Jesus.</i>

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<i>He's "go back to your
shithole countries" Jesus.</i>

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<i>He's "no apologies" Jesus.</i>

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<i>And now consider, what are
we getting from the left?</i>

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<i>We're getting exactly
the opposite message--</i>

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<i>pure sanctimony,
pure judgment.</i>

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<i>You are not good enough.</i>

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<i>You're guilty not only
for your own sins,</i>

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<i>but for the sins
of your fathers.</i>

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<i>The crimes of slavery and
colonialism are on your head.</i>

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<i>And if you're a cis,
white, heterosexual male,</i>

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<i>you're a racist, homophobic,</i>

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<i>transphobic, Islamophobic,</i>

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<i>sexist barbarian.</i>

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<i>I sincerely hope
we rid ourselves of him.</i>

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<i>But I believe I now
understand the half</i>

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<i>of the country that
disagrees with me</i>

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<i>a little better
than I did yesterday.</i>

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<i>And this makes me less
confused and judgmental,</i>

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<i>less of an asshole, probably,</i>

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<i>which is always progress.</i>

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<i>[phone chimes]</i>

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<i>[person]
How you feeling, boss?</i>

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<i>[Steve] Good. I'm one.</i>

50
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<i>I was just talking
to his sister.</i>

51
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<i>And I was like, "You got it."
She's like, "I'm Irish."</i>

52
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<i>I'm like, "I get it.
You got it."</i>

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<i>He should be at 270
by one o'clock, hmm?</i>

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<i>Yeah, it'd be this evening
at the latest.</i>

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<i>Yeah.</i>

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<i>I think you should start
using the Twitter to say...</i>

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<i>[Rick] President-elect Biden?</i>

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<i>[Steve]
...like, now, be patient.</i>

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<i>Votes are being counted.</i>

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<i>As those votes count,
Joe Biden will be</i>

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<i>elected president
of the United States,</i>

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<i>just over and over again.</i>

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<i>[interviewee] He said
from day one that</i>

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<i>this is going to take time.</i>

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<i>We want to make sure that
every vote is counted.</i>

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<i>[newscaster] And if I could
jump in one more time,</i>

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<i>because in the words
of the president,</i>

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<i>there's all this
talk about, you know,</i>

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<i>nefarious things
are happening...</i>

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<i>This is crazy.</i>

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<i>The amount of missed
opportunities here, not great.</i>

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<i>Didn't get Montana,
didn't get Alaska,</i>

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<i>didn't get South Carolina.</i>

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<i>All of them.</i>

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<i>We got killed in Iowa.</i>

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<i>That's uncomfortable
to sit with.</i>

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<i>It's not what we
tell ourselves</i>

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<i>about ourselves, right?</i>

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<i>[newscaster] ...all come down
to your 11 electoral votes</i>

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<i>in the state of Arizona.</i>

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<i>Kim Law says we'll get
votes later tonight.</i>

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<i>Do you feel any pressure
on your...</i>

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<i>[Lily] I think we all expected
to be celebrating</i>

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<i>and to be wildly hung over
today, and none of us were.</i>

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<i>[interviewee]
Right, we want to make sure</i>

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<i>that every vote
is counted, and that...</i>

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<i>[Lily] I mean,
our country clearly has</i>

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<i>an affinity towards racism,
misogyny, and sexism,</i>

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<i>homophobia, fascism.</i>

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<i>So now it's just coming
to grips with that.</i>

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<i>[Conor] You can no longer
use the phrase,</i>

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<i>this is not who we are.</i>

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<i>Yeah, it is.</i>

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<i>Once the dust settles,
we have to have</i>

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<i>a collective reckoning
with that.</i>

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<i>Please.</i>

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<i>[cheering]</i>

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<i>Thank you very much, Eric.</i>

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<i>It is very, very sad
that we're here</i>

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<i>in the city that's really the
birthplace of our democracy.</i>

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<i>And this is among one of the
most anti-democratic things</i>

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<i>I've ever seen or encountered.</i>

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<i>This whole new thing that
never happened before</i>

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<i>in our country,
these mail-in ballots,</i>

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<i>which has been a cause
of real concern</i>

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<i>for everyone because they
can easily be fraudulent.</i>

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<i>Oh, here come these ballots.</i>

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<i>Well, we have no idea
if they really are ballots.</i>

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<i>We have no idea
if they're signed,</i>

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<i>if they're postmarked properly,</i>

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<i>if it isn't just
the same person</i>

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<i>who submitted 100,000 ballots.</i>

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<i>Gee, just about
the 700,000 votes</i>

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<i>that President Trump
was ahead by disappeared.</i>

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<i>This is the way
they intend to win.</i>

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<i>[crowd chanting]
Donald Trump!</i>

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<i>[Rudy] But we're not going to
let them get away with it.</i>

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<i>[crowd chanting]
Stop the count!</i>

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<i>Stop the count!</i>

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<i>[newscaster] We saw protests
across the country erupt.</i>

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<i>Protesters took to the
streets of Philadelphia,</i>

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<i>in Pittsburgh as well,
in Boston, Arizona,</i>

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<i>hoping to stop the vote count.</i>

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<i>[crowd chanting]
Stop the count!</i>

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<i>Stop the count!</i>

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<i>[Stuart] If the essence
of conservatism</i>

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<i>is protecting the Constitution,</i>

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<i>this is the most
unconservative,</i>

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<i>radical act imaginable.</i>

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<i>Stuart, like, I'm with you.</i>

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<i>Like, I've--I was--</i>

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<i>I think it's outrageous.</i>

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<i>And it is dangerous.</i>

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<i>But we have to project
a tone that's not angry.</i>

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<i>Our tone needs
to be righteous--</i>

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<i>not angry, though.</i>

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<i>No one likes a scold.</i>

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<i>I think we should try
to war game a little bit</i>

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<i>about what their next step
is going to be.</i>

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<i>I agree completely.</i>

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<i>[Mike] But we need to be
careful in assuming that</i>

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<i>there's a mandate one way
or the other, because I</i>

143
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<i>don't think that's where
the voters are at.</i>

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<i>[Reed] I think Mike does
make a good point,</i>

145
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<i>which is, we should not
forget the guy got</i>

146
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<i>70 million fucking votes,
right?</i>

147
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<i>And so we should ask ourselves
a broader question--</i>

148
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<i>does half the country care
that he's doing this?</i>

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<i>No.</i>

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<i>[Reed]
Do they really care?</i>

151
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<i>Have they decided that they
just love him no matter what?</i>

152
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<i>I don't know.
I don't know the answer.</i>

153
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<i>We should just
assert that, right?</i>

154
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<i>We should condemn them.</i>

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<i>Kind of like it.</i>

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<i>[announcer] They want to
manipulate this election.</i>

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<i>They don't care
if it's illegal.</i>

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<i>And they believe there
will be no consequences.</i>

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<i>It's over.</i>

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<i>[announcer]
Elections have consequences.</i>

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<i>Your decisions will too.</i>

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<i>[Stuart] I mean, all this
stuff about Trump is knowing</i>

163
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<i>that people just
don't seem to care that much.</i>

164
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<i>I mean, everything that
we said the party was for,</i>

165
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<i>the party now is against.</i>

166
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<i>And you know, I helped elect
a lot of these people,</i>

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<i>and I've never had
one conversation</i>

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<i>with one Republican
elected official</i>

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<i>who tries to pretend that
Donald Trump is qualified</i>

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<i>to be president--not one.</i>

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<i>There's always been
this element in America--</i>

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<i>crazies, people who
believe in conspiracies.</i>

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<i>And we needed them
to vote for Republicans.</i>

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<i>I think it all goes back
to this post-war history.</i>

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<i>So there was always,
like, an Eisenhower wing</i>

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<i>and a Joe McCarthy wing.</i>

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<i>Eisenhower was this
sort of governing,</i>

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<i>boring, but sensible guy.</i>

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<i>America knows that this world
of ours, ever growing smaller,</i>

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<i>must avoid becoming a community
of dreadful fear and hate.</i>

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<i>[Stuart] And then you had
a McCarthy wing.</i>

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<i>And McCarthy was paranoid,
racist, angry.</i>

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<i>[Joseph McCarthy]
Our nation may well die.</i>

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<i>And I ask you, who caused it?</i>

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<i>Was it loyal Americans,</i>

186
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<i>or was it traitors
in our government?</i>

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<i>[Stuart] Political parties
have to serve</i>

188
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<i>a circuit breaker function.</i>

189
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<i>And Republicans never
pulled the circuit breaker.</i>

190
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<i>But I certainly
felt that, like,</i>

191
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<i>the crazies were on the wrong
side of history, as it were.</i>

192
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<i>We were the dominant gene,</i>

193
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<i>and they were
the recessive gene.</i>

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<i>But I don't know
any conclusion to come to</i>

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<i>except we were wrong.</i>

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<i>[birds cawing]</i>

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<i>[Jennifer] They're all
called this morning.</i>

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<i>Hello?</i>

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<i>- Is that Logan?
- Hello, Logan.</i>

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<i>[James] Hey, Logan.
Can you say hi?</i>

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<i>Hi.</i>

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<i>Look at you walk.
Oh, down--he's done.</i>

203
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<i>He's like,
"That's enough for me."</i>

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<i>[James] Yeah, I just want
to talk to you</i>

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<i>- for a couple of minutes.
- Oh, no. What is on your mind?</i>

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<i>[James] Talking about
last night, with those 23,000,</i>

207
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<i>I wasn't saying it was
an entire district.</i>

208
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<i>But they've been
doing vote dumps.</i>

209
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<i>- Right, right.
- [James] Right?</i>

210
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<i>123,000 votes came in,
all for Biden.</i>

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<i>Yeah, I haven't seen that.</i>

212
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<i>I tried to--I tried
to find that online.</i>

213
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<i>Other than that tweet that you
sent me, I haven't seen that.</i>

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<i>You know, people saying
bullshit about how more people</i>

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<i>voted in Wisconsin
than are registered</i>

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00:10:18,826 --> 00:10:20,119
<i>to vote in Wisconsin,
which is bullshit</i>

217
00:10:20,161 --> 00:10:21,746
<i>- because the 2018 number...
- [sighs]</i>

218
00:10:21,787 --> 00:10:23,289
<i>...and the numbers
of the administration--</i>

219
00:10:23,331 --> 00:10:25,124
<i>James, your language
is lovely this morning.</i>

220
00:10:25,166 --> 00:10:26,375
<i>[James] Oh.</i>

221
00:10:26,417 --> 00:10:27,793
<i>I mean, I know
where you learned it,</i>

222
00:10:27,835 --> 00:10:29,587
<i>and he's making breakfast
for me right there.</i>

223
00:10:29,629 --> 00:10:31,297
<i>But still, so.</i>

224
00:10:31,339 --> 00:10:32,757
<i>[James]
I learned it from you.</i>

225
00:10:32,798 --> 00:10:35,134
<i>[laughs] He said
he learned it from me.</i>

226
00:10:37,345 --> 00:10:39,472
<i>All of our sons are--</i>

227
00:10:39,513 --> 00:10:41,307
<i>I wouldn't call them
conspiracy theorists,</i>

228
00:10:41,349 --> 00:10:42,975
<i>but--and our daughter.</i>

229
00:10:43,017 --> 00:10:45,936
<i>But they--they just
mistrust what's going on.</i>

230
00:10:45,978 --> 00:10:47,688
<i>And a lot of it is
the misinformation</i>

231
00:10:47,730 --> 00:10:49,273
<i>that gets posted.</i>

232
00:10:49,315 --> 00:10:52,109
<i>You know, something
like 125,000 votes</i>

233
00:10:52,151 --> 00:10:54,111
<i>came in,
100% of them for Biden.</i>

234
00:10:54,153 --> 00:10:55,363
<i>That's not realistic.</i>

235
00:10:55,404 --> 00:10:56,989
<i>Well, because it
never happened.</i>

236
00:10:57,031 --> 00:10:59,659
<i>But that's the
kind of thing that,</i>

237
00:10:59,700 --> 00:11:02,328
<i>you know, people are hearing.</i>

238
00:11:02,370 --> 00:11:05,581
<i>There's obviously a lot of
questions around the election.</i>

239
00:11:05,623 --> 00:11:08,668
<i>Miscalculations,
misrepresentation,</i>

240
00:11:08,709 --> 00:11:10,086
<i>a lot of fraud.</i>

241
00:11:10,127 --> 00:11:12,922
<i>Joe Biden has said that
he's going to lock</i>

242
00:11:12,963 --> 00:11:16,592
<i>the United States down forever</i>

243
00:11:16,634 --> 00:11:19,011
<i>under communist reprogramming.</i>

244
00:11:19,053 --> 00:11:20,930
<i>He's voting to raise our taxes.</i>

245
00:11:20,971 --> 00:11:23,599
<i>He wants to open
our borders, our borders,</i>

246
00:11:23,641 --> 00:11:25,434
<i>and give free health care
to everyone.</i>

247
00:11:25,476 --> 00:11:28,020
<i>[crowd chanting indistinctly]</i>

248
00:11:28,062 --> 00:11:30,272
<i>[Conor] I was always, myself,
knowledgeable about politics.</i>

249
00:11:30,314 --> 00:11:31,816
<i>I don't think I realized
how malleable</i>

250
00:11:31,857 --> 00:11:33,359
<i>other people were
in real life.</i>

251
00:11:33,401 --> 00:11:35,611
<i>[protestor]
Yeah!</i>

252
00:11:35,653 --> 00:11:36,987
<i>Politicians lie, okay?</i>

253
00:11:37,029 --> 00:11:38,364
<i>They just do.</i>

254
00:11:38,406 --> 00:11:40,950
<i>But you know,</i>

255
00:11:40,991 --> 00:11:45,705
<i>in order to win in 2010, 2014,</i>

256
00:11:45,746 --> 00:11:49,375
<i>Republican messengers
and political types</i>

257
00:11:49,417 --> 00:11:52,420
<i>sold lies about the country,</i>

258
00:11:52,461 --> 00:11:54,338
<i>spent millions
of dollars peddling shit</i>

259
00:11:54,380 --> 00:11:57,216
<i>they knew wasn't true--</i>

260
00:11:57,258 --> 00:12:00,386
<i>that we were on the
precipice of socialism,</i>

261
00:12:00,428 --> 00:12:03,013
<i>that, you know,
Obama was a communist,</i>

262
00:12:03,055 --> 00:12:05,474
<i>or a socialist,
or he was dangerous.</i>

263
00:12:05,516 --> 00:12:07,309
<i>It wasn't a real argument
over health care.</i>

264
00:12:07,351 --> 00:12:09,437
<i>It was, this is socialist,
and it's communist,</i>

265
00:12:09,478 --> 00:12:11,856
<i>and it's coming for you.</i>

266
00:12:11,897 --> 00:12:14,692
<i>You know, Barack Obama
wanted to hurt your family.</i>

267
00:12:14,734 --> 00:12:17,486
<i>He's trying to harm you.</i>

268
00:12:17,528 --> 00:12:19,613
<i>These were some
of my first jobs.</i>

269
00:12:19,655 --> 00:12:21,741
<i>I'm not going to say I didn't
know what I was doing.</i>

270
00:12:21,782 --> 00:12:25,578
<i>I just thought
that was how it worked.</i>

271
00:12:25,619 --> 00:12:29,373
<i>Then they'd win, and they'd
kind of all</i>

272
00:12:29,415 --> 00:12:31,041
<i>high five each other,</i>

273
00:12:31,083 --> 00:12:32,918
<i>and I think the consultant
class, in particular,</i>

274
00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,046
<i>would just forget that they
had actually convinced people</i>

275
00:12:36,088 --> 00:12:38,090
<i>of something--that they
hadn't just won the election,</i>

276
00:12:38,132 --> 00:12:39,592
<i>but that--that they had</i>

277
00:12:39,633 --> 00:12:41,177
<i>altered a person's
state of mind</i>

278
00:12:41,218 --> 00:12:42,720
<i>about the country
they've been living in.</i>

279
00:12:42,762 --> 00:12:44,263
<i>[protestor]
He's not your friend.</i>

280
00:12:44,305 --> 00:12:46,223
<i>[protestors]
USA! USA!</i>

281
00:12:46,265 --> 00:12:48,768
<i>[Conor] People who have
more resources</i>

282
00:12:48,809 --> 00:12:51,437
<i>have convinced them
of something that isn't true.</i>

283
00:12:51,479 --> 00:12:53,773
<i>[protestors chanting] USA!</i>

284
00:12:53,814 --> 00:12:56,901
<i>[cheering]</i>

285
00:12:56,942 --> 00:12:58,319
<i>[Reed]
Yeah, the recount stuff--</i>

286
00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,070
<i>I mean, Pennsylvania
is probably</i>

287
00:13:00,112 --> 00:13:02,031
<i>going to swing into view here
by the end of the week.</i>

288
00:13:02,072 --> 00:13:03,741
<i>President Trump's
already calling</i>

289
00:13:03,783 --> 00:13:06,243
<i>some legal case there too.</i>

290
00:13:06,285 --> 00:13:07,912
<i>Yeah, well, he's going
to do it everywhere.</i>

291
00:13:07,953 --> 00:13:09,872
<i>- [Sarah] Yeah. What?
- [child] Can I have one?</i>

292
00:13:09,914 --> 00:13:10,956
<i>Why don't you say please?</i>

293
00:13:10,998 --> 00:13:12,708
<i>Can you give me a second?</i>

294
00:13:12,750 --> 00:13:14,168
<i>One second, Reed.</i>

295
00:13:14,210 --> 00:13:15,503
<i>- One second, Reed.
- [child talking]</i>

296
00:13:15,544 --> 00:13:18,005
<i>Hey, buddy.</i>

297
00:13:18,047 --> 00:13:20,841
<i>[Sarah] The reason I went home
was, I hit a breaking point.</i>

298
00:13:20,883 --> 00:13:23,552
<i>Reed and I
had several discussions.</i>

299
00:13:23,594 --> 00:13:26,263
<i>And he's like,
"You can never leave."</i>

300
00:13:26,305 --> 00:13:28,432
<i>He'd said it in a nice way,
like, you know,</i>

301
00:13:28,474 --> 00:13:30,226
<i>you can't leave me,
can't leave this project.</i>

302
00:13:32,019 --> 00:13:33,646
<i>It pissed me off.</i>

303
00:13:33,687 --> 00:13:36,440
<i>If Stu's allowed to fly back
to see his relatives,</i>

304
00:13:36,482 --> 00:13:38,317
<i>I'm allowed to fly back
to see my kid.</i>

305
00:13:38,359 --> 00:13:39,777
<i>We hit the president on COVID
all the time</i>

306
00:13:39,819 --> 00:13:41,237
<i>and being irresponsible;
I'm going to be</i>

307
00:13:41,278 --> 00:13:42,530
<i>a responsible parent.
I'm going home.</i>

308
00:13:45,115 --> 00:13:47,493
<i>But I was never
leaving the project.</i>

309
00:13:47,535 --> 00:13:49,245
<i>[Reed] We should play
the balance of this week</i>

310
00:13:49,286 --> 00:13:52,665
<i>sort of, like,
you know, as it comes.</i>

311
00:13:52,706 --> 00:13:54,625
<i>And we have Georgia, right?</i>

312
00:13:54,667 --> 00:13:57,670
<i>So we'll have to get
some ads running.</i>

313
00:13:57,711 --> 00:13:59,755
<i>- Can I ask you one question?
- [Reed] Yeah.</i>

314
00:13:59,797 --> 00:14:02,550
<i>In the ranking of, like,</i>

315
00:14:02,591 --> 00:14:05,177
<i>new entity media, democracy,</i>

316
00:14:05,219 --> 00:14:07,263
<i>like, which one's
your priority?</i>

317
00:14:07,304 --> 00:14:08,556
<i>Saving democracy.</i>

318
00:14:08,597 --> 00:14:10,099
<i>[Sarah] Right, all right.</i>

319
00:14:10,140 --> 00:14:11,892
<i>Saving and defending--
all that's--anything</i>

320
00:14:11,934 --> 00:14:13,853
<i>that we can do within the PAC.</i>

321
00:14:14,979 --> 00:14:18,190
<i>[Sarah] I believe in
The Lincoln Project.</i>

322
00:14:18,232 --> 00:14:19,567
<i>In any organization,</i>

323
00:14:19,608 --> 00:14:21,861
<i>there's going to be
difficulties.</i>

324
00:14:21,902 --> 00:14:24,989
<i>And I joined because</i>

325
00:14:25,030 --> 00:14:27,616
<i>I thought the fight
was worth it.</i>

326
00:14:27,658 --> 00:14:29,660
<i>I'm not going to
walk away from this.</i>

327
00:14:29,702 --> 00:14:31,912
<i>[Reed] The early results
bear out that Biden</i>

328
00:14:31,954 --> 00:14:33,622
<i>got 10% of Republicans.</i>

329
00:14:33,664 --> 00:14:35,708
<i>Mm-hmm.</i>

330
00:14:35,749 --> 00:14:38,043
<i>[Reed] That's 3% more
than Hillary got.</i>

331
00:14:38,085 --> 00:14:39,461
<i>[Sarah] Mm-hmm.</i>

332
00:14:39,503 --> 00:14:41,797
<i>So if that's the case,
then, like, we're--</i>

333
00:14:41,839 --> 00:14:44,884
<i>we're in the Bannon zone,
right, which is that 1% to 4%</i>

334
00:14:44,925 --> 00:14:48,846
<i>that he called out
of establishment Republicans.</i>

335
00:14:48,888 --> 00:14:50,472
<i>So I think--yeah.</i>

336
00:14:50,514 --> 00:14:51,891
<i>[Sarah] Can you ask him
to wipe himself?</i>

337
00:14:51,932 --> 00:14:53,058
<i>[laughs]</i>

338
00:14:53,100 --> 00:14:55,728
<i>[Sarah] You're five.</i>

339
00:14:55,769 --> 00:14:58,731
<i>Isn't parenthood great?</i>

340
00:14:58,772 --> 00:15:00,274
<i>[Sarah] Good job.</i>

341
00:15:05,404 --> 00:15:07,114
<i>[Mike] Yeah, he's got
72 million votes,</i>

342
00:15:07,156 --> 00:15:09,450
<i>with a million left to count.</i>

343
00:15:09,491 --> 00:15:11,076
<i>There wasn't a landslide.</i>

344
00:15:11,118 --> 00:15:15,080
<i>What does that say about
the country right now?</i>

345
00:15:15,122 --> 00:15:17,082
<i>I was really hoping that
by the time we did the roundup,</i>

346
00:15:17,124 --> 00:15:19,418
<i>we'd have a decision, but...</i>

347
00:15:19,460 --> 00:15:21,170
<i>- [Mike] I know.
- Okay.</i>

348
00:15:21,211 --> 00:15:22,463
<i>Cool.</i>

349
00:15:22,504 --> 00:15:23,297
<i>[Mike]
Are they there yet?</i>

350
00:15:23,339 --> 00:15:24,632
<i>No, just the cameras.</i>

351
00:15:29,678 --> 00:15:31,972
<i>There's no closure yet.</i>

352
00:15:34,433 --> 00:15:36,977
<i>Those guys have been
watching every single day.</i>

353
00:15:37,019 --> 00:15:39,897
<i>So they're feeling the anxiety
about every single move.</i>

354
00:15:41,732 --> 00:15:42,816
<i>That's not useful to me.</i>

355
00:15:45,069 --> 00:15:46,779
<i>[person] I would like
to give it a couple of hours</i>

356
00:15:46,820 --> 00:15:50,074
<i>to have all of the results
come in, but...</i>

357
00:15:50,115 --> 00:15:51,533
<i>fuck.</i>

358
00:15:51,575 --> 00:15:54,078
<i>It's just, like, fuck.</i>

359
00:15:54,119 --> 00:15:56,872
<i>I can't believe
the polling was off.</i>

360
00:15:56,914 --> 00:15:59,416
<i>It gave us, like,
a false sense of hope.</i>

361
00:15:59,458 --> 00:16:01,168
<i>[person] I do think the
absentee ballot issue</i>

362
00:16:01,210 --> 00:16:02,795
<i>for military is a major issue.</i>

363
00:16:02,836 --> 00:16:04,380
<i>There are several thousand
votes that need to be counted.</i>

364
00:16:04,421 --> 00:16:06,256
<i>And when we're talking just
a few thousand vote difference,</i>

365
00:16:06,298 --> 00:16:09,259
<i>that does matter, so.</i>

366
00:16:09,301 --> 00:16:10,552
<i>[person] But I try not to be
checking The New York Times</i>

367
00:16:10,594 --> 00:16:12,096
<i>every three minutes.</i>

368
00:16:12,137 --> 00:16:13,806
<i>What's going to happen
is going to happen.</i>

369
00:16:19,311 --> 00:16:22,815
<i>[Ron] Trump can do whatever
he wants to do.</i>

370
00:16:22,856 --> 00:16:26,151
<i>But he doesn't get to decide
that the votes</i>

371
00:16:26,193 --> 00:16:27,194
<i>are going to stop counting.</i>

372
00:16:27,236 --> 00:16:29,697
<i>Terrific. Thank you so much.</i>

373
00:16:33,283 --> 00:16:35,828
<i>[newscaster]
After four long, tense days...</i>

374
00:16:35,869 --> 00:16:38,914
<i>[dramatic music playing]</i>

375
00:16:38,956 --> 00:16:42,918
<i>...CNN projects
Joseph R Biden Jr. is elected</i>

376
00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,462
<i>the 46th President
of the United States,</i>

377
00:16:45,504 --> 00:16:48,841
<i>winning the White House,
and denying President Trump</i>

378
00:16:48,882 --> 00:16:49,842
<i>a second term.</i>

379
00:16:54,179 --> 00:16:56,015
<i>[cheering, horns honking]</i>

380
00:16:56,056 --> 00:16:57,975
<i>- [person] Is that real?
- [person] Yeah, look at that.</i>

381
00:16:58,017 --> 00:16:59,643
<i>Can't believe it.
All the horns.</i>

382
00:16:59,685 --> 00:17:00,894
<i>Oh, wow.</i>

383
00:17:00,936 --> 00:17:02,062
<i>That's amazing.</i>

384
00:17:02,104 --> 00:17:03,105
<i>[laughs]</i>

385
00:17:03,147 --> 00:17:05,816
<i>[horns honking]</i>

386
00:17:05,858 --> 00:17:09,278
<i>"Dear Ron, on behalf
of all of the patients</i>

387
00:17:09,319 --> 00:17:12,489
<i>I have tragically
lost to this virus,</i>

388
00:17:12,531 --> 00:17:14,992
<i>and on behalf of every
patient I have helped guide</i>

389
00:17:15,034 --> 00:17:18,537
<i>through to the other side
to breathe another day...</i>

390
00:17:18,579 --> 00:17:21,498
<i>[voice breaking] ...thank you
for all you and your team did</i>

391
00:17:21,540 --> 00:17:24,626
<i>to help bring us to this point,</i>

392
00:17:24,668 --> 00:17:26,879
<i>and help ensure we had
a turnover of our presidency."</i>

393
00:17:33,635 --> 00:17:35,262
<i>Have a pack.</i>

394
00:17:35,304 --> 00:17:36,221
<i>He travels with it.</i>

395
00:17:36,263 --> 00:17:37,890
<i>Thank you so much.</i>

396
00:17:37,931 --> 00:17:40,976
<i>I'm afraid
this might happen again.</i>

397
00:17:41,018 --> 00:17:42,561
<i>[Rick]
Congratulations, brother.</i>

398
00:17:42,603 --> 00:17:44,396
<i>- [Reed] You too, man.
- [Rick] No kidding.</i>

399
00:17:44,438 --> 00:17:46,565
<i>Oh, my God.</i>

400
00:17:46,607 --> 00:17:48,358
<i>Yeah, the phone is blowing up.</i>

401
00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,778
<i>I've started, like,
a pile-on of thank yous to all</i>

402
00:17:50,819 --> 00:17:52,196
<i>of our Hollywood friends,</i>

403
00:17:52,237 --> 00:17:53,113
<i>money people that
I dealt with,</i>

404
00:17:53,155 --> 00:17:54,073
<i>and everything else.</i>

405
00:17:54,114 --> 00:17:56,325
<i>But what a day.</i>

406
00:17:56,366 --> 00:17:58,077
<i>- [Steve] Hello?
- [Reed] Hey, dude.</i>

407
00:17:58,118 --> 00:17:59,203
<i>[Steve] Good to win.</i>

408
00:17:59,244 --> 00:18:00,454
<i>[Reed laughs]</i>

409
00:18:03,248 --> 00:18:06,877
<i>[Mike] There's a certain part
of the coming down, you know,</i>

410
00:18:06,919 --> 00:18:08,420
<i>where you don't realize
how tense you were</i>

411
00:18:08,462 --> 00:18:10,172
<i>and how much stress there was.</i>

412
00:18:12,549 --> 00:18:14,927
<i>I have a tough time
understanding and putting in</i>

413
00:18:14,968 --> 00:18:17,888
<i>perspective things in my life
that were of consequence.</i>

414
00:18:17,930 --> 00:18:20,599
<i>This one, I'm really clear on.</i>

415
00:18:20,641 --> 00:18:21,600
<i>We fucking took out
the president</i>

416
00:18:21,642 --> 00:18:24,686
<i>of the United States.</i>

417
00:18:24,728 --> 00:18:26,897
<i>That changes history.</i>

418
00:18:31,819 --> 00:18:34,071
<i>Okay, I just have to grab
my coffee upstairs,</i>

419
00:18:34,113 --> 00:18:35,864
<i>and then I'm good to go.</i>

420
00:18:35,906 --> 00:18:37,533
<i>Mm-mm.</i>

421
00:18:37,574 --> 00:18:40,494
<i>[Rick] We had set out
to defeat Donald Trump.</i>

422
00:18:40,536 --> 00:18:41,870
<i>We came from the right,</i>

423
00:18:41,912 --> 00:18:43,455
<i>and a lot of our people
came from the left.</i>

424
00:18:43,497 --> 00:18:47,459
<i>We had a unique constellation
of political experience</i>

425
00:18:47,501 --> 00:18:49,920
<i>and knowledge.</i>

426
00:18:49,962 --> 00:18:53,215
<i>And we kicked their ass.</i>

427
00:18:53,257 --> 00:18:55,759
<i>[Mike] The creative content
was phenomenal.</i>

428
00:18:55,801 --> 00:18:58,387
<i>Without Rick Wilson's
creative brilliance,</i>

429
00:18:58,428 --> 00:18:59,763
<i>it never would have jumped</i>

430
00:18:59,805 --> 00:19:01,807
<i>into the national
consciousness.</i>

431
00:19:01,849 --> 00:19:04,518
<i>The viral ads were
the top of the iceberg.</i>

432
00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,396
<i>Below the surface were all
the ads people weren't seeing.</i>

433
00:19:07,437 --> 00:19:09,189
<i>They were the digital ads
in the States.</i>

434
00:19:09,231 --> 00:19:11,608
<i>They were the ads talking
to voters in the States.</i>

435
00:19:11,650 --> 00:19:14,695
<i>[Mike] And that's what
our job was to do.</i>

436
00:19:14,736 --> 00:19:17,364
<i>I just--it's probably one
of the best political teams</i>

437
00:19:17,406 --> 00:19:19,491
<i>I've worked with
in my entire career,</i>

438
00:19:19,533 --> 00:19:21,618
<i>and I'm just really
proud of them.</i>

439
00:19:21,660 --> 00:19:24,329
<i>Just amazing.</i>

440
00:19:24,371 --> 00:19:26,498
<i>[person] I'm so proud of you.</i>

441
00:19:26,540 --> 00:19:28,709
<i>[Joe Biden]
America has called upon us</i>

442
00:19:28,750 --> 00:19:30,961
<i>to marshal the forces
of science</i>

443
00:19:31,003 --> 00:19:35,924
<i>and the forces of hope in the
great battles of our time--</i>

444
00:19:35,966 --> 00:19:39,178
<i>the battle to control
the virus,</i>

445
00:19:39,219 --> 00:19:40,929
<i>the battle to achieve
racial justice</i>

446
00:19:40,971 --> 00:19:43,307
<i>and root out systemic racism
in this country...</i>

447
00:19:43,348 --> 00:19:46,852
<i>[cheering, honking]</i>

448
00:19:46,894 --> 00:19:49,813
<i>...and the battle to save
our planet by getting</i>

449
00:19:49,855 --> 00:19:51,607
<i>climate under control.</i>

450
00:19:51,648 --> 00:19:54,568
<i>[cheering, honking]</i>

451
00:19:54,610 --> 00:19:57,905
<i>The battle to restore decency,
defend democracy,</i>

452
00:19:57,946 --> 00:20:00,949
<i>and give everybody in this
country a fair shot.</i>

453
00:20:00,991 --> 00:20:03,535
<i>That's all they're
asking for--a fair shot.</i>

454
00:20:03,577 --> 00:20:05,537
<i>[cheering, honking]</i>

455
00:20:09,082 --> 00:20:12,544
<i>And to my campaign team
and all the volunteers</i>

456
00:20:12,586 --> 00:20:15,172
<i>and all who gave
so much of themselves--</i>

457
00:20:15,214 --> 00:20:18,050
<i>I want him to sign
so many executive orders.</i>

458
00:20:18,091 --> 00:20:19,885
<i>Like, so many.</i>

459
00:20:19,927 --> 00:20:23,055
<i>[Biden]
Folks, I'm a proud Democrat.</i>

460
00:20:23,096 --> 00:20:26,225
<i>Let's see how the--
the founders like it.</i>

461
00:20:26,266 --> 00:20:29,311
<i>[music playing indistinctly]</i>

462
00:20:37,527 --> 00:20:38,570
<i>[announcer]
The end is coming--</i>

463
00:20:38,612 --> 00:20:40,739
<i>the end of the noise and lies,</i>

464
00:20:40,781 --> 00:20:43,116
<i>the end of the chaos
and division.</i>

465
00:20:43,158 --> 00:20:45,744
<i>That day is coming
because of your vote.</i>

466
00:20:45,786 --> 00:20:49,373
<i>Joe Biden, our president.</i>

467
00:20:49,414 --> 00:20:51,375
<i>[Sarah] You have a very
hopeful and lovely ad</i>

468
00:20:51,416 --> 00:20:52,960
<i>going out tonight
called Dawn,</i>

469
00:20:53,001 --> 00:20:56,296
<i>about there being a new dawn
with the Biden administration.</i>

470
00:20:56,338 --> 00:20:59,299
<i>So we'll put that out this
evening around eight o'clock.</i>

471
00:20:59,341 --> 00:21:01,718
<i>[Reed] All right, well, listen,</i>

472
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:03,845
<i>if you had to take, you know,
my temperature</i>

473
00:21:03,887 --> 00:21:08,850
<i>after election day, obviously,
you know, beyond pleased</i>

474
00:21:08,892 --> 00:21:12,187
<i>that we beat Trump, right,
or we helped beat Trump.</i>

475
00:21:12,229 --> 00:21:14,439
<i>I think we played
a unique role,</i>

476
00:21:14,481 --> 00:21:17,526
<i>a role that probably we only
could have played in this.</i>

477
00:21:17,567 --> 00:21:20,237
<i>The organization
will be smaller moving forward</i>

478
00:21:20,279 --> 00:21:23,282
<i>just because we won't need
as many people</i>

479
00:21:23,323 --> 00:21:24,950
<i>as we have now.</i>

480
00:21:24,992 --> 00:21:27,035
<i>I think that 2021, you know,</i>

481
00:21:27,077 --> 00:21:29,288
<i>looks like we'll be
leaning into some</i>

482
00:21:29,329 --> 00:21:30,789
<i>pro-democracy efforts--</i>

483
00:21:30,831 --> 00:21:33,542
<i>voting rights,
election security, you know,</i>

484
00:21:33,583 --> 00:21:37,462
<i>what it is we do to push back
on the sort of torrent of,</i>

485
00:21:37,504 --> 00:21:39,047
<i>you know, fake and, you know,</i>

486
00:21:39,089 --> 00:21:41,091
<i>misleading information,
disinformation,</i>

487
00:21:41,133 --> 00:21:44,553
<i>misinformation that floods
into the system.</i>

488
00:21:44,594 --> 00:21:46,805
<i>[newscaster] President Trump,
again out of the public eye,</i>

489
00:21:46,847 --> 00:21:49,850
<i>rejects the reality of the
election outcome online,</i>

490
00:21:49,891 --> 00:21:52,019
<i>repeating baseless claims
about the vote count</i>

491
00:21:52,060 --> 00:21:54,646
<i>despite no evidence
of widespread fraud.</i>

492
00:21:54,688 --> 00:21:57,441
<i>Only four GOP senators
have acknowledged</i>

493
00:21:57,482 --> 00:21:59,318
<i>President-elect Biden.</i>

494
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:03,071
<i>President Trump is
100% within his rights</i>

495
00:22:03,113 --> 00:22:06,366
<i>to look into allegations
of irregularities.</i>

496
00:22:06,408 --> 00:22:08,410
<i>President Trump
should not concede.</i>

497
00:22:08,452 --> 00:22:12,873
<i>Keep fighting for every legal
and live vote.</i>

498
00:22:12,914 --> 00:22:15,542
<i>It's just despicable, weak.</i>

499
00:22:19,129 --> 00:22:20,922
<i>I--I mean, I really
don't know what to say.</i>

500
00:22:20,964 --> 00:22:22,424
<i>I mean, it's incredible.</i>

501
00:22:22,466 --> 00:22:25,802
<i>Do we, as an organization,
consider it a coup?</i>

502
00:22:25,844 --> 00:22:27,971
<i>I think it is an
inept attempt at a coup.</i>

503
00:22:28,013 --> 00:22:31,600
<i>But still, I think
you could call it a coup.</i>

504
00:22:31,641 --> 00:22:33,518
<i>Maybe I'm just saying this
for my own benefit</i>

505
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,021
<i>as I kind of breathe in the
gravity of what's being said,</i>

506
00:22:36,063 --> 00:22:37,189
<i>and I agree with it.</i>

507
00:22:37,230 --> 00:22:39,524
<i>I believe this is seditious.</i>

508
00:22:39,566 --> 00:22:43,028
<i>I believe that unity
is no longer a goal.</i>

509
00:22:43,070 --> 00:22:45,197
<i>They're not going back.</i>

510
00:22:45,238 --> 00:22:47,199
<i>[newscaster] More than 100
House Republicans are now</i>

511
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:48,867
<i>supporting overturning
the results</i>

512
00:22:48,909 --> 00:22:51,119
<i>in four swing states
Joe Biden won.</i>

513
00:22:51,161 --> 00:22:52,954
<i>Joining us now
is the co-founder</i>

514
00:22:52,996 --> 00:22:55,040
<i>of The Lincoln Project,
Jennifer Horn.</i>

515
00:22:55,082 --> 00:22:56,708
<i>We can also call her</i>

516
00:22:56,750 --> 00:22:58,919
<i>a former Republican.</i>

517
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:00,545
<i>[Jennifer] It's because
of what we've seen</i>

518
00:23:00,587 --> 00:23:02,798
<i>in the weeks
since the election</i>

519
00:23:02,839 --> 00:23:04,633
<i>from so many
elected Republicans</i>

520
00:23:04,674 --> 00:23:08,845
<i>across this country who were
willing to enlist in a--</i>

521
00:23:08,887 --> 00:23:11,932
<i>a coordinated,
intentional effort</i>

522
00:23:11,973 --> 00:23:14,976
<i>to essentially
overthrow democracy</i>

523
00:23:15,018 --> 00:23:17,604
<i>in the United States
of America.</i>

524
00:23:17,646 --> 00:23:20,607
<i>It has become clear to me
that the party of Lincoln</i>

525
00:23:20,649 --> 00:23:21,900
<i>is no more.</i>

526
00:23:24,444 --> 00:23:26,196
<i>[Stuart] The thing about
this democracy thing</i>

527
00:23:26,238 --> 00:23:28,240
<i>is, like, somebody's got
to be willing to lose.</i>

528
00:23:28,281 --> 00:23:29,658
<i>Do you know what I mean?</i>

529
00:23:29,699 --> 00:23:31,159
<i>If you had told me
on November 2nd,</i>

530
00:23:31,201 --> 00:23:33,995
<i>that if Trump lost
by 8 million or more,</i>

531
00:23:34,037 --> 00:23:36,706
<i>north of 300 votes,
electoral college,</i>

532
00:23:36,748 --> 00:23:39,251
<i>would Republican senators
accept it,</i>

533
00:23:39,292 --> 00:23:40,836
<i>I would have said, yeah.</i>

534
00:23:40,877 --> 00:23:42,921
<i>I mean, like, yeah.
I mean, it's stupid.</i>

535
00:23:42,963 --> 00:23:44,589
<i>Yeah, of course they're
going to accept it.</i>

536
00:23:44,631 --> 00:23:47,426
<i>And I don't understand it,</i>

537
00:23:47,467 --> 00:23:49,428
<i>except I'll never look
at 1930s Germany</i>

538
00:23:49,469 --> 00:23:50,762
<i>and wonder how it
happened again.</i>

539
00:23:50,804 --> 00:23:52,055
<i>[all chanting] Donald Trump!</i>

540
00:23:52,097 --> 00:23:55,767
<i>Donald Trump!</i>

541
00:23:55,809 --> 00:23:57,060
<i>[shouting]</i>

542
00:23:57,102 --> 00:23:57,936
<i>[protestor] Yeah!</i>

543
00:23:57,978 --> 00:24:01,565
<i>[shouting]</i>

544
00:24:01,606 --> 00:24:02,858
<i>[Rick]
What if it worked?</i>

545
00:24:02,899 --> 00:24:04,192
<i>- What if the coup worked?
- [Steve] Yes.</i>

546
00:24:04,234 --> 00:24:06,236
<i>What are we then?</i>

547
00:24:06,278 --> 00:24:07,696
<i>Can I just jump in
for a quick second?</i>

548
00:24:07,737 --> 00:24:09,406
<i>We have to answer
the question,</i>

549
00:24:09,448 --> 00:24:11,408
<i>what the hell are you
going to do about it?</i>

550
00:24:11,450 --> 00:24:13,994
<i>Not just talk about it,
not just put a flag in the sand</i>

551
00:24:14,035 --> 00:24:15,745
<i>and say, this was the
first American coup.</i>

552
00:24:15,787 --> 00:24:18,498
<i>What are you going
to do about it?</i>

553
00:24:18,540 --> 00:24:20,250
<i>And better fucking mean it.</i>

554
00:24:20,292 --> 00:24:21,668
<i>But then what are
the assets we need</i>

555
00:24:21,710 --> 00:24:23,920
<i>to make those things happen?</i>

556
00:24:25,755 --> 00:24:27,048
<i>[Rick] Yeah, so--</i>

557
00:24:27,090 --> 00:24:28,550
<i>But we can
discuss that later.</i>

558
00:24:28,592 --> 00:24:30,260
<i>I--</i>

559
00:24:34,347 --> 00:24:37,184
<i>[drummer playing lively rhythm]</i>

560
00:25:10,926 --> 00:25:12,719
<i>Ooh.</i>

561
00:25:12,761 --> 00:25:15,013
<i>- What'd she say?
- She said goodbye to Brendan.</i>

562
00:25:15,055 --> 00:25:19,059
<i>You know what the only rules
are of The Bachelorette--</i>

563
00:25:19,100 --> 00:25:21,436
<i>no rules.</i>

564
00:25:21,478 --> 00:25:24,648
<i>Trump is out there basically,
like, calling for civil war.</i>

565
00:25:24,689 --> 00:25:26,608
<i>I mean, he's trying
to do a coup.</i>

566
00:25:26,650 --> 00:25:28,318
<i>And for whatever
fucking reason,</i>

567
00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:32,531
<i>The Lincoln Project
is not doing much, you know?</i>

568
00:25:32,572 --> 00:25:34,157
<i>I'm completely
out of the loop.</i>

569
00:25:34,199 --> 00:25:35,825
<i>Most of the staff is
completely out of the loop.</i>

570
00:25:35,867 --> 00:25:38,870
<i>I could be out there as
soon as next week with--</i>

571
00:25:38,912 --> 00:25:42,165
<i>Don't sign the fucking lease
until you sign a contract.</i>

572
00:25:42,207 --> 00:25:44,376
<i>And I can't believe
I have to keep saying this.</i>

573
00:25:44,417 --> 00:25:46,211
<i>[Eddie] We continue to have
our political team calls.</i>

574
00:25:46,253 --> 00:25:47,879
<i>We continue to do
the work that we can.</i>

575
00:25:47,921 --> 00:25:49,714
<i>But if it's supposed
to be a daily call,</i>

576
00:25:49,756 --> 00:25:51,883
<i>and it gets canceled
for three weeks straight,</i>

577
00:25:51,925 --> 00:25:53,134
<i>and then just gets canceled
through the end of the year...</i>

578
00:25:53,176 --> 00:25:54,719
<i>What?</i>

579
00:25:54,761 --> 00:25:56,221
<i>...it doesn't take
a rocket scientist to know</i>

580
00:25:56,263 --> 00:25:57,889
<i>that, like, all is not well
in Denmark right now.</i>

581
00:25:57,931 --> 00:25:59,182
<i>I don't know.</i>

582
00:25:59,224 --> 00:26:01,393
<i>- [Mike] Eddie.
- Mikey G!</i>

583
00:26:01,434 --> 00:26:02,519
<i>- How's it going?
- [Mike] Good.</i>

584
00:26:02,561 --> 00:26:03,645
<i>How was your day, brother?</i>

585
00:26:03,687 --> 00:26:04,896
<i>Do you know if we're
going to be able</i>

586
00:26:04,938 --> 00:26:06,273
<i>to do anything in Georgia?</i>

587
00:26:06,314 --> 00:26:07,649
<i>Or do you think that's
going to stay on hold</i>

588
00:26:07,691 --> 00:26:09,067
<i>for the next little bit?</i>

589
00:26:09,109 --> 00:26:10,652
<i>[Mike]
I mean, I don't know.</i>

590
00:26:10,694 --> 00:26:12,153
<i>[Eddie] And, like, there's
that voice in the back</i>

591
00:26:12,195 --> 00:26:13,321
<i>of your head that's like,
just ask him, ask him.</i>

592
00:26:13,363 --> 00:26:14,781
<i>Like, what's going on?
What's going on?</i>

593
00:26:14,823 --> 00:26:15,740
<i>What's going on, you know?
You want to know.</i>

594
00:26:15,782 --> 00:26:17,158
<i>Okay.</i>

595
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:18,702
<i>[Mike]
And if that's the case...</i>

596
00:26:18,743 --> 00:26:19,869
<i>[Eddie] But there's also
a competing voice that's,</i>

597
00:26:19,911 --> 00:26:21,329
<i>like, I don't want to know.</i>

598
00:26:21,371 --> 00:26:23,081
<i>I don't want to be
involved in this.</i>

599
00:26:23,123 --> 00:26:25,125
<i>What I think should be
getting communicated is,</i>

600
00:26:25,166 --> 00:26:27,961
<i>all is not well right now,
right?</i>

601
00:26:28,003 --> 00:26:29,754
<i>But I think it seem--</i>

602
00:26:29,796 --> 00:26:32,048
<i>I would assume, and I would
hope, that founders</i>

603
00:26:32,090 --> 00:26:33,883
<i>are working amongst themselves
to resolve</i>

604
00:26:33,925 --> 00:26:35,468
<i>whatever it is that's going on.</i>

605
00:26:37,304 --> 00:26:38,972
<i>[Steve] Yeah, there's
significant revenue</i>

606
00:26:39,014 --> 00:26:41,266
<i>that's possibly involved
just already.</i>

607
00:26:41,308 --> 00:26:42,684
<i>[Reed] We have the 527.</i>

608
00:26:42,726 --> 00:26:44,352
<i>We have--right--
the super PAC.</i>

609
00:26:44,394 --> 00:26:46,229
<i>We have the (c)(4)
that's hanging out there,</i>

610
00:26:46,271 --> 00:26:47,772
<i>we've got to figure out what
the hell we want to do with.</i>

611
00:26:47,814 --> 00:26:50,358
<i>Then we have a 4 Guys Inc.</i>

612
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,278
<i>true, like, media entity.</i>

613
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:54,946
<i>Steve, if you're going
to talk to Mike today,</i>

614
00:26:54,988 --> 00:26:56,615
<i>I need you to get him to sign</i>

615
00:26:56,656 --> 00:26:58,617
<i>the board resolution
I had him send--</i>

616
00:26:58,658 --> 00:27:00,952
<i>I had the lawyer
send over yesterday.</i>

617
00:27:02,621 --> 00:27:04,998
<i>[Steve] Is he objecting?</i>

618
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:06,750
<i>Neither he nor Ron
have signed it yet.</i>

619
00:27:06,791 --> 00:27:08,209
<i>So I just need to get it done.</i>

620
00:27:12,547 --> 00:27:14,049
<i>[Rick] Ron and Mike
are on the board.</i>

621
00:27:14,090 --> 00:27:17,052
<i>They're 2/3 of the board.</i>

622
00:27:17,093 --> 00:27:19,846
<i>Reed is on the board too.</i>

623
00:27:19,888 --> 00:27:21,723
<i>Steve and I were also supposed
to be named to the board.</i>

624
00:27:21,765 --> 00:27:23,933
<i>Basically, a scrivener's
error did not get us</i>

625
00:27:23,975 --> 00:27:25,852
<i>on the board at the same time.</i>

626
00:27:25,894 --> 00:27:27,937
<i>Whatever happened, happened.</i>

627
00:27:27,979 --> 00:27:30,565
<i>Steve and I, you know,
let's be honest,</i>

628
00:27:30,607 --> 00:27:32,942
<i>we're not
detail management guys.</i>

629
00:27:32,984 --> 00:27:36,237
<i>And we're not, like,
legal paperwork guys.</i>

630
00:27:36,279 --> 00:27:38,948
<i>Long story short,
we get through the campaign.</i>

631
00:27:38,990 --> 00:27:40,867
<i>We have some
unpleasantness with Mike</i>

632
00:27:40,909 --> 00:27:43,787
<i>and Ron and Jennifer.</i>

633
00:27:43,828 --> 00:27:45,664
<i>Between, like, what's
really happening and the plans</i>

634
00:27:45,705 --> 00:27:46,456
<i>that they're making?</i>

635
00:27:49,542 --> 00:27:51,586
<i>Yeah, like they're in denial,
just kind of moving forward.</i>

636
00:27:51,628 --> 00:27:56,466
<i>But yeah, they're playing
a hand they don't have.</i>

637
00:27:56,508 --> 00:28:00,261
<i>I believed all along,
up until the last few weeks</i>

638
00:28:00,303 --> 00:28:03,348
<i>of the campaign,
that everybody was going</i>

639
00:28:03,390 --> 00:28:05,767
<i>to have an equal say in what</i>

640
00:28:05,809 --> 00:28:07,936
<i>The Lincoln Project
would become.</i>

641
00:28:07,977 --> 00:28:09,771
<i>It only made sense.</i>

642
00:28:09,813 --> 00:28:12,649
<i>All of us jumped off at the
same time as co-founders.</i>

643
00:28:12,691 --> 00:28:14,234
<i>That's literally the name.</i>

644
00:28:14,275 --> 00:28:16,695
<i>We all took risks</i>

645
00:28:16,736 --> 00:28:20,281
<i>related to our livelihoods.</i>

646
00:28:20,323 --> 00:28:23,785
<i>And then it became apparent
through some conversations</i>

647
00:28:23,827 --> 00:28:26,413
<i>with the other co-founders
that the equity stakes</i>

648
00:28:26,454 --> 00:28:28,581
<i>were going to be
extremely disproportionate</i>

649
00:28:28,623 --> 00:28:32,627
<i>if we were going to get
anything.</i>

650
00:28:32,669 --> 00:28:35,714
<i>When I say "we,"
I mean, Jennifer Horn,</i>

651
00:28:35,755 --> 00:28:38,049
<i>Ron Steslow, and Mike Madrid.</i>

652
00:28:38,091 --> 00:28:40,260
<i>[cheers and applause]</i>

653
00:28:40,301 --> 00:28:41,344
<i>[announcer]
Ladies and gentlemen,</i>

654
00:28:41,386 --> 00:28:43,263
<i>The Lincoln Project.</i>

655
00:28:43,304 --> 00:28:48,017
<i>Steve Schmidt, Rick Wilson,
Jennifer Horn, Ron Steslow,</i>

656
00:28:48,059 --> 00:28:51,855
<i>Mike Madrid, Reed Galen.</i>

657
00:28:51,896 --> 00:28:54,149
<i>[Steve]
At the first major event</i>

658
00:28:54,190 --> 00:28:56,860
<i>of The Lincoln Project
at Cooper Union,</i>

659
00:28:56,901 --> 00:29:01,823
<i>everybody was introduced
as a co-founder.</i>

660
00:29:01,865 --> 00:29:04,617
<i>Rick Wilson called me
up before, and he said,</i>

661
00:29:04,659 --> 00:29:07,620
<i>you know, we have all of these
early employees--</i>

662
00:29:07,662 --> 00:29:10,915
<i>vendors, contractors,
Horn, Steslow, Mike Madrid--</i>

663
00:29:10,957 --> 00:29:14,502
<i>who have been hired, you know,
to work on this.</i>

664
00:29:14,544 --> 00:29:16,755
<i>They'd like to be
called co-founders.</i>

665
00:29:16,796 --> 00:29:19,674
<i>Those people
co-founded nothing.</i>

666
00:29:19,716 --> 00:29:21,676
<i>And my exact quote
to him was, is,</i>

667
00:29:21,718 --> 00:29:23,344
<i>"I don't give a fuck
what anyone calls</i>

668
00:29:23,386 --> 00:29:25,847
<i>themselves about the titles."</i>

669
00:29:25,889 --> 00:29:30,894
<i>And it created a crazy--</i>

670
00:29:30,935 --> 00:29:33,313
<i>and I mean fucking crazy--</i>

671
00:29:33,354 --> 00:29:35,231
<i>sense of entitlement,</i>

672
00:29:35,273 --> 00:29:39,152
<i>the likes of which
I've never seen.</i>

673
00:29:39,194 --> 00:29:42,238
<i>[Rick] They basically try to
take over The Lincoln Project.</i>

674
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:43,656
<i>Because you know what
the board can do?</i>

675
00:29:43,698 --> 00:29:45,992
<i>Remove anybody
from The Lincoln Project.</i>

676
00:29:46,034 --> 00:29:49,329
<i>They can fire me,
fire Steve, fire anybody.</i>

677
00:29:51,623 --> 00:29:54,918
<i>[Mike] It's important to
recognize that no super PAC</i>

678
00:29:54,959 --> 00:29:58,421
<i>had ever done anything
like this before--</i>

679
00:29:58,463 --> 00:30:01,341
<i>not just the
unbelievable amount of money</i>

680
00:30:01,382 --> 00:30:03,593
<i>that was coming in
as fast as it was,</i>

681
00:30:03,635 --> 00:30:06,095
<i>but the notoriety,
the awareness.</i>

682
00:30:07,889 --> 00:30:09,057
<i>I can't think of
another super PAC</i>

683
00:30:09,098 --> 00:30:11,100
<i>that seeped into
the consciousness</i>

684
00:30:11,142 --> 00:30:12,977
<i>of American pop culture.</i>

685
00:30:15,355 --> 00:30:19,317
<i>The media, political
advertising, the Facebook ads,</i>

686
00:30:19,359 --> 00:30:21,653
<i>all of my data
is what they need</i>

687
00:30:21,694 --> 00:30:24,739
<i>to create a media company.</i>

688
00:30:24,781 --> 00:30:27,325
<i>Week before Thanksgiving,</i>

689
00:30:27,367 --> 00:30:30,995
<i>I receive a DocuSign</i>

690
00:30:31,037 --> 00:30:33,581
<i>asking for my signature</i>

691
00:30:33,623 --> 00:30:36,668
<i>to add Rick Wilson
and Steve Schmidt</i>

692
00:30:36,709 --> 00:30:37,669
<i>to the board.</i>

693
00:30:39,879 --> 00:30:41,673
<i>To which, you know,
I just said,</i>

694
00:30:41,714 --> 00:30:45,802
<i>I'm happy to do that once
I meet my fiduciary obligation,</i>

695
00:30:45,844 --> 00:30:50,682
<i>which is to understand where
the $90 million... [laughs]</i>

696
00:30:50,723 --> 00:30:53,226
<i>...that we raised
and spent went.</i>

697
00:30:57,272 --> 00:30:59,732
<i>[Ron]
You used to have 41, 40?</i>

698
00:30:59,774 --> 00:31:00,733
<i>Let's do pickups of the USVI.</i>

699
00:31:00,775 --> 00:31:01,985
<i>Oh, yeah, let's do the pickups.</i>

700
00:31:02,026 --> 00:31:04,112
<i>And then Ron and Mike,
sometime tomorrow,</i>

701
00:31:04,153 --> 00:31:06,781
<i>before we all get pulled
into our family--</i>

702
00:31:06,823 --> 00:31:09,534
<i>you know, family time
and all next week,</i>

703
00:31:09,576 --> 00:31:11,870
<i>I would love to be on a
phone call with three of us</i>

704
00:31:11,911 --> 00:31:13,037
<i>all at one time.</i>

705
00:31:13,079 --> 00:31:14,789
<i>[Ron] Yes.</i>

706
00:31:14,831 --> 00:31:16,124
<i>[Jennifer] As co-founders,
we expected that</i>

707
00:31:16,165 --> 00:31:20,128
<i>we were looped in
on what was going on.</i>

708
00:31:20,169 --> 00:31:23,882
<i>And Mike and Ron wanted
an accounting of the finances,</i>

709
00:31:23,923 --> 00:31:27,385
<i>and Reed and Steve were
unwilling to give it to them.</i>

710
00:31:27,427 --> 00:31:31,347
<i>I started to get suspicious
about where did the money go.</i>

711
00:31:31,389 --> 00:31:33,391
<i>Reed, I've said this
many times before.</i>

712
00:31:33,433 --> 00:31:35,226
<i>I think that one of the reasons
that The Lincoln Project</i>

713
00:31:35,268 --> 00:31:37,562
<i>was as successful as we
were in the past year</i>

714
00:31:37,604 --> 00:31:39,480
<i>is because we were honest.</i>

715
00:31:39,522 --> 00:31:41,733
<i>And sometimes,
the bare, naked truth</i>

716
00:31:41,774 --> 00:31:43,568
<i>can be uncomfortable
to look at.</i>

717
00:31:43,610 --> 00:31:46,154
<i>But I think that there
has been a yearning</i>

718
00:31:46,195 --> 00:31:48,489
<i>amongst the American people</i>

719
00:31:48,531 --> 00:31:51,409
<i>for a political organization</i>

720
00:31:51,451 --> 00:31:54,954
<i>that just tells them the truth.</i>

721
00:31:54,996 --> 00:31:57,248
<i>First time I looked
at our FEC reports</i>

722
00:31:57,290 --> 00:32:00,043
<i>was the first time that
I saw in print how much money</i>

723
00:32:00,084 --> 00:32:02,211
<i>went to Summit Strategies.</i>

724
00:32:02,253 --> 00:32:05,423
<i>It was 27 million, you know,
something like that.</i>

725
00:32:05,465 --> 00:32:10,178
<i>And I started recreating
in my head who did what.</i>

726
00:32:10,219 --> 00:32:12,180
<i>All of the staffers
on The Lincoln Project</i>

727
00:32:12,221 --> 00:32:14,223
<i>are accounted for
in the FEC report.</i>

728
00:32:14,265 --> 00:32:16,392
<i>So they weren't getting
paid through Summit,</i>

729
00:32:16,434 --> 00:32:17,769
<i>they were getting
paid directly.</i>

730
00:32:17,810 --> 00:32:19,646
<i>You can see that.</i>

731
00:32:19,687 --> 00:32:22,065
<i>All of our ad buys through
TUSK or through Ashton Media,</i>

732
00:32:22,106 --> 00:32:23,733
<i>like, they're all
accounted for there.</i>

733
00:32:23,775 --> 00:32:26,945
<i>And there's still $27 million</i>

734
00:32:26,986 --> 00:32:30,114
<i>that went
to Summit Strategies.</i>

735
00:32:30,156 --> 00:32:34,869
<i>Summit Strategies
did not serve a function</i>

736
00:32:34,911 --> 00:32:37,038
<i>to the campaign.</i>

737
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,375
<i>They did not have a staff
of employees who were working</i>

738
00:32:40,416 --> 00:32:41,751
<i>for The Lincoln Project.</i>

739
00:32:41,793 --> 00:32:44,128
<i>They weren't producing the ads.</i>

740
00:32:44,170 --> 00:32:46,756
<i>They weren't
developing the data.</i>

741
00:32:46,798 --> 00:32:48,800
<i>They weren't doing
the digital.</i>

742
00:32:48,841 --> 00:32:52,136
<i>Summit Strategies
was Reed Galen.</i>

743
00:32:54,597 --> 00:32:56,975
<i>The question was,
was that just the four of them</i>

744
00:32:57,016 --> 00:32:58,935
<i>splitting up the money?</i>

745
00:32:58,977 --> 00:32:59,978
<i>Hey, gang.</i>

746
00:33:00,019 --> 00:33:00,937
<i>[person] Yo.</i>

747
00:33:11,864 --> 00:33:13,783
<i>- Laura, this is very exciting.
- [Laura] I know. It's cool.</i>

748
00:33:13,825 --> 00:33:15,076
<i>[in falsetto]
We're going to have a home!</i>

749
00:33:15,118 --> 00:33:16,744
<i>[Laura laughs]</i>

750
00:33:16,786 --> 00:33:19,914
<i>The rescue dogs of politics
will finally have a home.</i>

751
00:33:19,956 --> 00:33:22,959
<i>Like, if we're going to have
the LPTV studio,</i>

752
00:33:23,001 --> 00:33:24,627
<i>we should have
a podcast studio too.</i>

753
00:33:24,669 --> 00:33:27,130
<i>[Jennifer] And I realized
that the four guys</i>

754
00:33:27,171 --> 00:33:29,966
<i>who we all trusted
to lead this effort</i>

755
00:33:30,008 --> 00:33:31,843
<i>and to get us
where we needed to go,</i>

756
00:33:31,884 --> 00:33:35,847
<i>that they were using the
efforts of The Lincoln Project</i>

757
00:33:35,888 --> 00:33:40,351
<i>not just to advance our goals,
but to build a foundation</i>

758
00:33:40,393 --> 00:33:42,854
<i>for their
personal media business.</i>

759
00:33:42,895 --> 00:33:45,314
<i>That is an
extraordinary betrayal.</i>

760
00:33:45,356 --> 00:33:47,358
<i>[indistinct chatter]</i>

761
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,277
<i>[Mike] There's nothing wrong
with making money.</i>

762
00:33:49,318 --> 00:33:51,696
<i>I mean, take a celebrity
athlete, right?</i>

763
00:33:51,738 --> 00:33:54,157
<i>I think that if you look back
at the year 2020</i>

764
00:33:54,198 --> 00:33:56,701
<i>and you asked the average
opponent of Donald Trump--</i>

765
00:33:56,743 --> 00:33:59,537
<i>maybe someone who
gave 25 or 50 bucks,</i>

766
00:33:59,579 --> 00:34:02,498
<i>if they'd be willing to pay
a professional athlete's salary</i>

767
00:34:02,540 --> 00:34:05,126
<i>to some political consultants
who came in</i>

768
00:34:05,168 --> 00:34:07,253
<i>and would do the best job
at taking out Donald Trump,</i>

769
00:34:07,295 --> 00:34:10,631
<i>they'd say,
"Yeah, all day long.</i>

770
00:34:10,673 --> 00:34:14,343
<i>My worry is that
a disproportionate amount</i>

771
00:34:14,385 --> 00:34:18,473
<i>of resources went to people
who had a financial,</i>

772
00:34:18,514 --> 00:34:22,727
<i>rather than altruistic,
stake in the organization.</i>

773
00:34:22,769 --> 00:34:25,063
<i>If I had had more money,</i>

774
00:34:25,104 --> 00:34:27,273
<i>could I have moved the needle
more in North Carolina?</i>

775
00:34:27,315 --> 00:34:29,067
<i>Yes, I could have.</i>

776
00:34:29,108 --> 00:34:33,571
<i>Could I have pushed the
boundaries in other states</i>

777
00:34:33,613 --> 00:34:36,074
<i>and made them more competitive
and put them in play?</i>

778
00:34:36,115 --> 00:34:38,701
<i>Yes, I could have.</i>

779
00:34:38,743 --> 00:34:41,829
<i>All of my data was saying
that there were other places</i>

780
00:34:41,871 --> 00:34:44,749
<i>that we could have made
a bigger impact on the race.</i>

781
00:34:44,791 --> 00:34:46,918
<i>The fact that we didn't</i>

782
00:34:46,959 --> 00:34:48,544
<i>may not be a legal
complication,</i>

783
00:34:48,586 --> 00:34:49,921
<i>but it's certainly
a moral issue.</i>

784
00:34:54,801 --> 00:34:57,178
<i>[Reed] Whatever perceptions
they might have</i>

785
00:34:57,220 --> 00:35:00,431
<i>do not comport with reality.</i>

786
00:35:00,473 --> 00:35:02,308
<i>At the time,
our media buyer said,</i>

787
00:35:02,350 --> 00:35:04,102
<i>"I can't be
on a finance report."</i>

788
00:35:06,395 --> 00:35:09,107
<i>And I said, okay,
we'll use my company.</i>

789
00:35:09,148 --> 00:35:10,775
<i>Why?</i>

790
00:35:10,817 --> 00:35:13,611
<i>Because the people that
made our ads, in that moment,</i>

791
00:35:13,653 --> 00:35:16,823
<i>were still working
for Republicans, too, right?</i>

792
00:35:16,864 --> 00:35:19,408
<i>So they did not want
to have their names</i>

793
00:35:19,450 --> 00:35:20,827
<i>out there associated with us.</i>

794
00:35:20,868 --> 00:35:23,121
<i>I didn't make $27 million.</i>

795
00:35:23,162 --> 00:35:25,456
<i>Far, far, far,
far, far from it.</i>

796
00:35:27,542 --> 00:35:29,710
<i>[Rick] Here's what I can say.</i>

797
00:35:29,752 --> 00:35:31,295
<i>I drive a five-year-old Volvo.</i>

798
00:35:31,337 --> 00:35:32,964
<i>I could sure use a--</i>

799
00:35:33,005 --> 00:35:34,841
<i>I could sure use to replace
my driveway, you know?</i>

800
00:35:34,882 --> 00:35:38,136
<i>I'm not--my lifestyle is--</i>

801
00:35:38,177 --> 00:35:40,680
<i>is basically this fight.</i>

802
00:35:40,721 --> 00:35:42,723
<i>There is no giant
slush fund where people,</i>

803
00:35:42,765 --> 00:35:44,475
<i>you know, went off and bought
a volcano island</i>

804
00:35:44,517 --> 00:35:45,810
<i>to have a lair.</i>

805
00:35:45,852 --> 00:35:47,645
<i>Nobody made that much money.</i>

806
00:35:47,687 --> 00:35:49,564
<i>We made money,
but not that much.</i>

807
00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:55,653
<i>They gave the enemies
of The Lincoln Project</i>

808
00:35:55,695 --> 00:35:57,655
<i>a sword to attack us.</i>

809
00:35:57,697 --> 00:35:59,949
<i>And right now,
all I'm trying to do</i>

810
00:35:59,991 --> 00:36:01,993
<i>is--is patch the holes
in the ship</i>

811
00:36:02,034 --> 00:36:04,078
<i>and see if we can
keep it afloat.</i>

812
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,081
<i>[cheering]</i>

813
00:36:11,419 --> 00:36:14,380
<i>[Donald Trump] Let me tell you,
this election was rigged.</i>

814
00:36:14,422 --> 00:36:18,176
<i>Your governor could stop it
very easily if he knew</i>

815
00:36:18,217 --> 00:36:19,260
<i>what the hell he was doing.</i>

816
00:36:21,679 --> 00:36:23,306
<i>[newscaster]
On the same day the Georgia</i>

817
00:36:23,347 --> 00:36:25,641
<i>Secretary of State's office
moves closer</i>

818
00:36:25,683 --> 00:36:27,685
<i>to recertifying
the general election results,</i>

819
00:36:27,727 --> 00:36:29,937
<i>President Donald Trump's
campaign</i>

820
00:36:29,979 --> 00:36:31,689
<i>slaps the state
with a lawsuit.</i>

821
00:36:31,731 --> 00:36:33,608
<i>Court documents lists numerous</i>

822
00:36:33,649 --> 00:36:35,693
<i>county elections directors
as defendants,</i>

823
00:36:35,735 --> 00:36:39,155
<i>as well as Secretary of State
Brad Raffensperger.</i>

824
00:36:39,197 --> 00:36:41,699
<i>The left lies.
They cheat, and they steal.</i>

825
00:36:41,741 --> 00:36:43,492
<i>They are ruthless.</i>

826
00:36:43,534 --> 00:36:45,828
<i>And they are hell bent
on getting power and control</i>

827
00:36:45,870 --> 00:36:47,121
<i>by any means necessary.</i>

828
00:36:47,163 --> 00:36:48,706
<i>[crowd booing]</i>

829
00:36:55,254 --> 00:36:57,381
<i>You should want to have
an accurate election.</i>

830
00:36:57,423 --> 00:36:59,217
<i>And you're a Republican.</i>

831
00:37:11,812 --> 00:37:15,358
<i>Ossoff and Warnock
are the two most extreme,</i>

832
00:37:15,399 --> 00:37:17,443
<i>far left,
liberal Senate candidates</i>

833
00:37:17,485 --> 00:37:19,028
<i>in the history of our country.</i>

834
00:37:19,070 --> 00:37:21,989
<i>They cheated, and they rigged
our presidential election.</i>

835
00:37:22,031 --> 00:37:24,951
<i>And they're going to try
and rig this election too.</i>

836
00:37:24,992 --> 00:37:26,619
<i>[crowd chanting] We love you!</i>

837
00:37:26,661 --> 00:37:29,372
<i>We love you!</i>

838
00:37:29,413 --> 00:37:31,165
<i>Thank you.</i>

839
00:37:31,207 --> 00:37:33,918
<i>[chanting continues]</i>

840
00:37:41,300 --> 00:37:43,177
<i>[Sarah] What has happened
over the last three weeks</i>

841
00:37:43,219 --> 00:37:46,889
<i>has had a very quieting effect.</i>

842
00:37:49,267 --> 00:37:51,227
<i>The Lincoln Project has not
been able to be as active,</i>

843
00:37:51,269 --> 00:37:54,730
<i>given that there are some
legal questions right now,</i>

844
00:37:54,772 --> 00:37:58,693
<i>of which I'm, like,
privy to, like, 2%, I think,</i>

845
00:37:58,734 --> 00:38:01,112
<i>of what is actually going on.</i>

846
00:38:03,072 --> 00:38:06,075
<i>We're trying to determine
how much can be done.</i>

847
00:38:17,795 --> 00:38:19,797
<i>A woman reached out to me</i>

848
00:38:19,839 --> 00:38:23,884
<i>from the Secretary of State's
Office in Georgia.</i>

849
00:38:23,926 --> 00:38:28,681
<i>And the president came out
and started harassing</i>

850
00:38:28,723 --> 00:38:30,599
<i>that office for the recounts.</i>

851
00:38:30,641 --> 00:38:33,686
<i>The recount--they recounted
the votes three times.</i>

852
00:38:33,728 --> 00:38:35,438
<i>They went for Biden
all three times,</i>

853
00:38:35,479 --> 00:38:37,857
<i>and just really laid in
to that office.</i>

854
00:38:37,898 --> 00:38:39,400
<i>And the office refused
to say that the--</i>

855
00:38:39,442 --> 00:38:41,235
<i>the vote was fraudulent.</i>

856
00:38:41,277 --> 00:38:44,071
<i>Like, they would not say it,
and knew that</i>

857
00:38:44,113 --> 00:38:45,740
<i>there was going to be hell
to pay from Trump.</i>

858
00:38:45,781 --> 00:38:49,577
<i>So this woman called and said,
"Can you come and meet with me?</i>

859
00:38:49,618 --> 00:38:51,412
<i>Will you back us?
Will you help us?</i>

860
00:38:51,454 --> 00:38:53,539
<i>Like, I don't know
how to do this."</i>

861
00:38:53,581 --> 00:38:55,958
<i>[official] I was hearing
that the Trump campaign,</i>

862
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,670
<i>like, in February, wanted
to question election results,</i>

863
00:38:59,712 --> 00:39:01,297
<i>throw it to the legislature.</i>

864
00:39:01,339 --> 00:39:03,549
<i>And, like, there's no
function in the law</i>

865
00:39:03,591 --> 00:39:06,052
<i>that would allow the Trump
campaign to even do that.</i>

866
00:39:06,093 --> 00:39:07,678
<i>[Sarah] Mm-hmm.</i>

867
00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:09,388
<i>[official] He basically
demanded that, you know,</i>

868
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:12,016
<i>we help steal elections
on their behalf.</i>

869
00:39:12,058 --> 00:39:13,434
<i>[Nate] This was
an autocratic attempt.</i>

870
00:39:13,476 --> 00:39:15,269
<i>I mean, we know this.
We know this.</i>

871
00:39:15,311 --> 00:39:18,272
<i>I mean, you just change
one rung on this thing,</i>

872
00:39:18,314 --> 00:39:21,484
<i>and now we're talking about
removing voters and purging.</i>

873
00:39:21,525 --> 00:39:23,903
<i>And we might just be talking
about a different outcome</i>

874
00:39:23,944 --> 00:39:25,488
<i>in this election.</i>

875
00:39:25,529 --> 00:39:27,323
<i>And that's a frightful
notion, that one guy</i>

876
00:39:27,365 --> 00:39:28,949
<i>- stands between those things.
- [official] Yeah.</i>

877
00:39:28,991 --> 00:39:30,451
<i>So I am going to give you
a heads up about</i>

878
00:39:30,493 --> 00:39:33,079
<i>some of the things that
the office is dealing with.</i>

879
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,706
<i>We started getting attacked
by President Trump.</i>

880
00:39:35,748 --> 00:39:37,708
<i>There were people,
within minutes,</i>

881
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:40,294
<i>putting hits on Brad online.</i>

882
00:39:40,336 --> 00:39:43,339
<i>Brad's house has been
broken into twice.</i>

883
00:39:43,381 --> 00:39:44,799
<i>[cameraperson] God.</i>

884
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,133
<i>[official]
We are getting death threats</i>

885
00:39:46,175 --> 00:39:47,843
<i>of people who are on staff,
and, like,</i>

886
00:39:47,885 --> 00:39:51,722
<i>folks who are in the counties
running elections.</i>

887
00:39:51,764 --> 00:39:55,309
<i>[Nate] And Loeffler and Perdue
have said nothing about this?</i>

888
00:39:55,351 --> 00:39:56,811
<i>I think we should
absolutely hammer that.</i>

889
00:39:56,852 --> 00:40:01,816
<i>That would be a very nice
and cutting ad as well.</i>

890
00:40:01,857 --> 00:40:04,402
<i>Just, like, these are
the Republicans--yes.</i>

891
00:40:04,443 --> 00:40:06,112
<i>[official]
I think I cannot--</i>

892
00:40:06,153 --> 00:40:07,363
<i>[newscaster]
So there's two Senate races</i>

893
00:40:07,405 --> 00:40:08,823
<i>on the ballot in Georgia.</i>

894
00:40:08,864 --> 00:40:11,075
<i>A recount could be
incredibly significant.</i>

895
00:40:11,117 --> 00:40:13,202
<i>[newscaster] On the line--
control of the U.S. Senate.</i>

896
00:40:13,244 --> 00:40:16,247
<i>If Democrats win both seats,
the chamber is tied,</i>

897
00:40:16,288 --> 00:40:18,082
<i>with Vice President-elect
Kamala Harris</i>

898
00:40:18,124 --> 00:40:20,418
<i>casting the deciding vote.</i>

899
00:40:20,459 --> 00:40:24,422
<i>[indistinct chatter, shouting]</i>

900
00:40:24,463 --> 00:40:25,714
<i>[person] He's right down there.</i>

901
00:40:25,756 --> 00:40:26,924
<i>In the green, right?</i>

902
00:40:26,966 --> 00:40:28,509
<i>Oh, in the green, yeah.</i>

903
00:40:28,551 --> 00:40:29,593
<i>[person]
Right there with the jacket.</i>

904
00:40:29,635 --> 00:40:31,011
<i>[person] Okay, okay, okay.</i>

905
00:40:31,053 --> 00:40:32,763
<i>[Conor]
I got a phone call from Nate.</i>

906
00:40:32,805 --> 00:40:34,056
<i>He was like,
"Hey, I need your help</i>

907
00:40:34,098 --> 00:40:35,099
<i>on this stuff in Georgia,"
and I was like,</i>

908
00:40:35,141 --> 00:40:36,267
<i>"I can't spend money.</i>

909
00:40:36,308 --> 00:40:37,601
<i>They're not giving me
any money."</i>

910
00:40:37,643 --> 00:40:41,439
<i>[person] Hey.
Making sure that they vote.</i>

911
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,190
<i>[interviewer] Did you have
any idea this shit</i>

912
00:40:43,232 --> 00:40:46,777
<i>was going down between Ron
and Mike and the board?</i>

913
00:40:46,819 --> 00:40:49,780
<i>I'm happy that I was kept out
of that, whatever it was.</i>

914
00:40:49,822 --> 00:40:50,948
<i>I don't feel deceived.</i>

915
00:40:50,990 --> 00:40:52,158
<i>That doesn't sound
like anything</i>

916
00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:54,160
<i>I want to be involved in.</i>

917
00:41:00,458 --> 00:41:03,210
<i>[Reed]
When Georgia is going on,</i>

918
00:41:03,252 --> 00:41:07,047
<i>this is happening concurrently
with the internal tumult</i>

919
00:41:07,089 --> 00:41:09,842
<i>that was making it difficult
to move money.</i>

920
00:41:09,884 --> 00:41:14,680
<i>And the idea that we were
on the precipice of Democrats</i>

921
00:41:14,722 --> 00:41:18,517
<i>have 50 seats in the
U.S. Senate and, instead,</i>

922
00:41:18,559 --> 00:41:23,147
<i>we're fighting with each other
is very disappointing.</i>

923
00:41:24,857 --> 00:41:28,486
<i>It came to a point
where it was sort of like,</i>

924
00:41:28,527 --> 00:41:30,321
<i>do your job, or I'll find
somebody who will.</i>

925
00:41:40,372 --> 00:41:41,665
<i>[Sarah]
Rick, since you're on,</i>

926
00:41:41,707 --> 00:41:42,833
<i>can you tell us
what's happening</i>

927
00:41:42,875 --> 00:41:44,502
<i>in these last couple days?</i>

928
00:41:44,543 --> 00:41:46,170
<i>[Rick] We've got to go
fight this thing in Georgia</i>

929
00:41:46,212 --> 00:41:47,171
<i>next week, guys.</i>

930
00:41:47,213 --> 00:41:48,797
<i>So take a deep breath.</i>

931
00:41:48,839 --> 00:41:50,466
<i>We're going to have
a day or two off.</i>

932
00:41:50,508 --> 00:41:53,844
<i>But we're going to be
back in the fight in--</i>

933
00:41:53,886 --> 00:41:56,680
<i>in Georgia to go
after QAnon Kelly.</i>

934
00:41:58,891 --> 00:42:00,226
<i>[Sarah]
All right, I think we have</i>

935
00:42:00,267 --> 00:42:01,352
<i>tons to do today, right?</i>

936
00:42:01,393 --> 00:42:03,062
<i>Off we go.</i>

937
00:42:03,103 --> 00:42:04,897
<i>[Nate] We've got NAACP,
BlackPAC working</i>

938
00:42:04,939 --> 00:42:07,274
<i>with Ossoff and Warnock.</i>

939
00:42:07,316 --> 00:42:09,735
<i>We should
create a video about it.</i>

940
00:42:09,777 --> 00:42:11,028
<i>And if it takes
two or three minutes,</i>

941
00:42:11,070 --> 00:42:12,863
<i>I think that's fine.</i>

942
00:42:12,905 --> 00:42:14,031
<i>[Nate] Is that, like,
a little, short ad</i>

943
00:42:14,073 --> 00:42:15,366
<i>that we could
cut?</i>

944
00:42:15,407 --> 00:42:16,825
<i>Like, Kelly's the
only thing standing</i>

945
00:42:16,867 --> 00:42:19,078
<i>between you and freedom?</i>

946
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:22,164
<i>We haven't given her the true
Lincoln Project treatment yet.</i>

947
00:42:22,206 --> 00:42:23,832
<i>Well, like, what if it's,
like, an ad, and it shows her</i>

948
00:42:23,874 --> 00:42:25,209
<i>on the plane, right?
It's like...</i>

949
00:42:25,251 --> 00:42:26,794
<i>I'm so rich, I'm so rich </i>

950
00:42:26,835 --> 00:42:28,379
<i>I'm so rich </i>

951
00:42:28,420 --> 00:42:30,381
<i>I can do whatever I want </i>

952
00:42:30,422 --> 00:42:31,799
<i>[Reed] That entitlement.</i>

953
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,300
<i>[Steve] We're running
against entitlement.</i>

954
00:42:33,342 --> 00:42:36,512
<i>And then you have the insider
trading thing, and the...</i>

955
00:42:36,554 --> 00:42:39,390
<i>[Reed] And the airplane.</i>

956
00:42:39,431 --> 00:42:40,849
<i>That's a good--yes.</i>

957
00:42:40,891 --> 00:42:42,726
<i>[Steve] Right?</i>

958
00:42:42,768 --> 00:42:45,479
<i>[Reed] The right-wing
media wars are heating up.</i>

959
00:42:45,521 --> 00:42:49,233
<i>Like, now is the time
to be getting into that space</i>

960
00:42:49,275 --> 00:42:51,569
<i>with our various channels,
because they're</i>

961
00:42:51,610 --> 00:42:52,987
<i>going to get crazier too.</i>

962
00:42:53,028 --> 00:42:55,739
<i>We have always said,
as a group,</i>

963
00:42:55,781 --> 00:42:57,658
<i>that this would get crazier.</i>

964
00:42:57,700 --> 00:42:59,743
<i>Like, it wouldn't
snap back to normal,</i>

965
00:42:59,785 --> 00:43:01,579
<i>that there's no normal, right?</i>

966
00:43:01,620 --> 00:43:03,956
<i>That is, like,
an article of faith.</i>

967
00:43:03,998 --> 00:43:05,874
<i>I think January 6th
could be crazy too.</i>

968
00:43:05,916 --> 00:43:07,209
<i>[Steve] Yeah.</i>

969
00:43:07,251 --> 00:43:08,752
<i>You have to frame--</i>

970
00:43:08,794 --> 00:43:10,796
<i>you want someone to take
an action, Nate, right?</i>

971
00:43:10,838 --> 00:43:12,548
<i>You want someone
to do something</i>

972
00:43:12,590 --> 00:43:14,967
<i>that they haven't done yet,
right?</i>

973
00:43:15,009 --> 00:43:16,594
<i>And what you're trying
to say is there's two sides.</i>

974
00:43:19,096 --> 00:43:20,973
<i>You can't be on this side.</i>

975
00:43:21,015 --> 00:43:23,684
<i>This is the bad side.</i>

976
00:43:23,726 --> 00:43:25,144
<i>Thanks, Nate,
for everything down there.</i>

977
00:43:25,185 --> 00:43:27,354
<i>- Be safe.
- It's no problem.</i>

978
00:43:27,396 --> 00:43:31,025
<i>Thank you all.
Talk to you in a bit.</i>

979
00:43:31,066 --> 00:43:32,318
<i>[protestor]
Proud Boy, Proud boy!</i>

980
00:43:32,359 --> 00:43:34,820
<i>- [shouting]
- [explosion]</i>

981
00:43:34,862 --> 00:43:37,948
<i>[announcer]
Today, the dividing line</i>

982
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:39,950
<i>in American politics
is not between</i>

983
00:43:39,992 --> 00:43:41,952
<i>conservative and liberal.</i>

984
00:43:41,994 --> 00:43:45,205
<i>It's between those
who believe in democracy</i>

985
00:43:45,247 --> 00:43:47,750
<i>and those who are killing it.</i>

986
00:43:47,791 --> 00:43:48,792
<i>Join us.</i>

987
00:43:48,834 --> 00:43:52,546
<i>[dramatic music playing]</i>

988
00:43:55,007 --> 00:43:56,925
<i>[Mike] Yeah, that's--my lawyer
is reaching out to him</i>

989
00:43:56,967 --> 00:44:00,137
<i>to try to have the meeting
tomorrow morning.</i>

990
00:44:00,179 --> 00:44:02,139
<i>There's going to have to be
something more than just,</i>

991
00:44:02,181 --> 00:44:04,767
<i>here's a check, pat us on the
ass, and you're out the door.</i>

992
00:44:04,808 --> 00:44:06,352
<i>For me, for me--
I'm speaking for me.</i>

993
00:44:06,393 --> 00:44:09,021
<i>It's not for Ron.</i>

994
00:44:09,063 --> 00:44:11,065
<i>This is not what I want.</i>

995
00:44:11,106 --> 00:44:14,151
<i>This is absolutely
not what I hoped for.</i>

996
00:44:16,528 --> 00:44:19,323
<i>The last 72 hours felt like
the Cuban Missile Crisis.</i>

997
00:44:21,784 --> 00:44:23,869
<i>Now it's like,
you want to blow up</i>

998
00:44:23,911 --> 00:44:27,331
<i>The Lincoln Project and show
everybody what happened here?</i>

999
00:44:27,373 --> 00:44:31,418
<i>That's probably not--
probably not the best idea,</i>

1000
00:44:31,460 --> 00:44:33,337
<i>but go ahead.</i>

1001
00:44:33,379 --> 00:44:34,463
<i>I'm going to go to Mexico.</i>

1002
00:44:48,519 --> 00:44:51,480
<i>Ron and Mike are officially
no longer with us</i>

1003
00:44:51,522 --> 00:44:54,149
<i>on January 31st.</i>

1004
00:44:54,191 --> 00:44:57,820
<i>And everything's being
transitioned to a new firm,</i>

1005
00:44:57,861 --> 00:44:59,321
<i>new digital firm.</i>

1006
00:44:59,363 --> 00:45:02,324
<i>And there is no communication
with Mike.</i>

1007
00:45:02,366 --> 00:45:04,076
<i>And I don't know
what's next for them,</i>

1008
00:45:04,118 --> 00:45:07,037
<i>but they will not be a part
of The Lincoln Project.</i>

1009
00:45:07,079 --> 00:45:09,540
<i>And Ron will not be hosting</i>

1010
00:45:09,581 --> 00:45:12,793
<i>The Lincoln Project podcast.</i>

1011
00:45:12,835 --> 00:45:15,379
<i>So that--those
relationships are done.</i>

1012
00:45:19,049 --> 00:45:21,844
<i>They didn't have
an entitlement to anything.</i>

1013
00:45:21,885 --> 00:45:25,681
<i>And I didn't have an obligation
to be in business with them.</i>

1014
00:45:25,723 --> 00:45:28,559
<i>In fact, by the time
we got to the end,</i>

1015
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,855
<i>I did not want to be
in business with Mike Madrid,</i>

1016
00:45:32,896 --> 00:45:36,108
<i>Ron Steslow, and Jennifer Horn.</i>

1017
00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:39,737
<i>Whatever the next incarnation
of this was,</i>

1018
00:45:39,778 --> 00:45:41,530
<i>they weren't along
for the ride.</i>

1019
00:45:43,615 --> 00:45:45,993
<i>And that's too fucking bad.</i>

1020
00:45:46,034 --> 00:45:48,245
<i>That's life.</i>

1021
00:45:48,287 --> 00:45:49,955
<i>All Ron wanted
in the negotiations</i>

1022
00:45:49,997 --> 00:45:51,582
<i>was control of the podcast.</i>

1023
00:45:53,876 --> 00:45:55,669
<i>We had, like,
40 emails back and forth</i>

1024
00:45:55,711 --> 00:46:00,215
<i>with his attorney about various
details of the settlement.</i>

1025
00:46:00,257 --> 00:46:03,218
<i>The podcast is mentioned,
like, 40 times.</i>

1026
00:46:03,260 --> 00:46:05,596
<i>Ron wants the podcast--
podcast, podcast, podcast.</i>

1027
00:46:05,637 --> 00:46:07,306
<i>The white whale of a podcast</i>

1028
00:46:07,347 --> 00:46:08,849
<i>is all Ron wants out
of this fucking deal.</i>

1029
00:46:08,891 --> 00:46:09,725
<i>[Mike] In particular,
with those kind of</i>

1030
00:46:09,767 --> 00:46:11,310
<i>turnout numbers...</i>

1031
00:46:11,351 --> 00:46:14,772
<i>[Rick] And Mike could have
sustained a role</i>

1032
00:46:14,813 --> 00:46:18,192
<i>in something
that grew enormously.</i>

1033
00:46:18,233 --> 00:46:19,568
<i>But it turned out
that he really</i>

1034
00:46:19,610 --> 00:46:21,987
<i>wasn't built for the big game.</i>

1035
00:46:22,029 --> 00:46:25,407
<i>Mike foolishly sent us
a letter offering</i>

1036
00:46:25,449 --> 00:46:29,286
<i>to sell us his board seat
for money,</i>

1037
00:46:29,328 --> 00:46:31,997
<i>which I was disappointed.</i>

1038
00:46:32,039 --> 00:46:33,540
<i>You know, if you want to--</i>

1039
00:46:33,582 --> 00:46:34,917
<i>if you want to play
hardball like that,</i>

1040
00:46:34,958 --> 00:46:36,835
<i>if you want to play
the big game,</i>

1041
00:46:36,877 --> 00:46:38,420
<i>play all the way through.</i>

1042
00:46:38,462 --> 00:46:40,672
<i>Don't jack yourself off
for less than $1 million</i>

1043
00:46:40,714 --> 00:46:42,424
<i>for the board seat.</i>

1044
00:46:42,466 --> 00:46:44,259
<i>Could have been worth much more
to him if he'd held the line,</i>

1045
00:46:44,301 --> 00:46:46,887
<i>but anyway.</i>

1046
00:46:46,929 --> 00:46:48,597
<i>He would've had
control of the greatest</i>

1047
00:46:48,639 --> 00:46:50,516
<i>super PAC in American history.</i>

1048
00:46:52,726 --> 00:46:55,813
<i>[Mike] There are people
that are actively working</i>

1049
00:46:55,854 --> 00:46:59,149
<i>to promulgate the myth
that Ron and I were just</i>

1050
00:46:59,191 --> 00:47:00,943
<i>trying to get money out of it.</i>

1051
00:47:00,984 --> 00:47:03,737
<i>If I wanted money, I would
have kept the damn thing</i>

1052
00:47:03,779 --> 00:47:06,073
<i>and beat the damn email list
like they're going to</i>

1053
00:47:06,114 --> 00:47:08,951
<i>like a rented fucking mule,
and made millions of dollars</i>

1054
00:47:08,992 --> 00:47:10,619
<i>just by grifting
in the way that they did,</i>

1055
00:47:10,661 --> 00:47:13,247
<i>and I would have made
50 times more money.</i>

1056
00:47:13,288 --> 00:47:16,250
<i>There's some people that
are fucking skating away</i>

1057
00:47:16,291 --> 00:47:19,253
<i>with this fucking story
that deserve to have</i>

1058
00:47:19,294 --> 00:47:21,505
<i>what actually happened be told.</i>

1059
00:47:21,547 --> 00:47:24,049
<i>And it's fucking
pissing me off.</i>

1060
00:47:24,091 --> 00:47:26,301
<i>There was some bad
fucking shit happening</i>

1061
00:47:26,343 --> 00:47:28,136
<i>on this fucking campaign.</i>

1062
00:47:28,178 --> 00:47:29,346
<i>I need a break.</i>

1063
00:47:46,738 --> 00:47:48,407
<i>[protestor]
We love Trump!</i>

1064
00:47:48,448 --> 00:47:50,200
<i>[crowd chanting]
We love Trump!</i>

1065
00:47:50,242 --> 00:47:52,703
<i>We love Trump!</i>

1066
00:47:52,744 --> 00:47:54,746
<i>[newscaster]
Businesses are boarded up.</i>

1067
00:47:54,788 --> 00:47:56,373
<i>Streets are blocked off.</i>

1068
00:47:56,415 --> 00:47:58,208
<i>[crowd] We want Trump!</i>

1069
00:47:58,250 --> 00:48:00,377
<i>[newscaster] But pro-Trump
demonstrators are undeterred,</i>

1070
00:48:00,419 --> 00:48:03,255
<i>descending on the nation's
capitol with defiance.</i>

1071
00:48:03,297 --> 00:48:05,632
<i>Fight for Trump!</i>

1072
00:48:05,674 --> 00:48:07,509
<i>[all chanting] Fight for Trump!</i>

1073
00:48:07,551 --> 00:48:09,219
<i>[newscaster] Tensions
are rising in Washington,</i>

1074
00:48:09,261 --> 00:48:11,096
<i>where Congress
is preparing to certify</i>

1075
00:48:11,138 --> 00:48:13,974
<i>President-elect
Joe Biden's win.</i>

1076
00:48:14,016 --> 00:48:17,144
<i>It is not Joe Biden
that rules this country.</i>

1077
00:48:17,185 --> 00:48:20,480
<i>George Soros does not
rule this country.</i>

1078
00:48:20,522 --> 00:48:23,400
<i>It's not over
because we, the people,</i>

1079
00:48:23,442 --> 00:48:27,362
<i>demand that the Supreme Court
do their jobs.</i>

1080
00:48:27,404 --> 00:48:30,949
<i>We will take it back
one way or another.</i>

1081
00:48:30,991 --> 00:48:33,327
<i>At least 13 GOP senators
plan to challenge</i>

1082
00:48:33,368 --> 00:48:35,037
<i>the electoral college count,</i>

1083
00:48:35,078 --> 00:48:37,581
<i>which Biden won with 306 votes</i>

1084
00:48:37,623 --> 00:48:40,334
<i>to President Trump's 232.</i>

1085
00:48:40,375 --> 00:48:41,710
<i>[crowd chanting]
America first!</i>

1086
00:48:41,752 --> 00:48:44,254
<i>America first!</i>

1087
00:48:47,174 --> 00:48:49,635
<i>[cheering]</i>

1088
00:48:53,597 --> 00:48:56,141
<i>All of us here today
do not want to see</i>

1089
00:48:56,183 --> 00:48:58,060
<i>our election victory stolen.</i>

1090
00:48:58,101 --> 00:48:59,561
<i>We will never give up.</i>

1091
00:48:59,603 --> 00:49:02,105
<i>We will never concede.
It doesn't happen.</i>

1092
00:49:02,147 --> 00:49:05,108
<i>You don't concede
when there's theft involved.</i>

1093
00:49:05,150 --> 00:49:07,486
<i>[cheering]</i>

1094
00:49:07,527 --> 00:49:11,990
<i>And after this, we're going
to walk down to the Capitol.</i>

1095
00:49:12,032 --> 00:49:13,784
<i>[cheering]</i>

1096
00:49:13,825 --> 00:49:15,744
<i>And I'll be there with you.</i>

1097
00:49:15,786 --> 00:49:17,079
<i>And we fight.</i>

1098
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:18,830
<i>We fight like hell.</i>

1099
00:49:18,872 --> 00:49:20,540
<i>And if you don't
fight like hell,</i>

1100
00:49:20,582 --> 00:49:22,000
<i>you're not going to
have a country anymore.</i>

1101
00:49:22,042 --> 00:49:24,044
<i>[all chanting]
Fight for Trump!</i>

1102
00:49:24,086 --> 00:49:25,462
<i>Fight for Trump!</i>

1103
00:49:25,504 --> 00:49:29,049
<i>[protestor]
Donald Trump woke us up.</i>

1104
00:49:29,091 --> 00:49:32,719
<i>A highly mobilized army.</i>

1105
00:49:32,761 --> 00:49:35,097
<i>You think you can laugh at us?</i>

1106
00:49:35,138 --> 00:49:36,390
<i>We'll see who laughs last.</i>

1107
00:49:36,431 --> 00:49:39,101
<i>[shouting]</i>

1108
00:49:39,142 --> 00:49:41,395
<i>[Fisher] Why isn't the
National Guard just coming in?</i>

1109
00:49:41,436 --> 00:49:43,146
<i>[Sarah] I mean, everyone has
the right to protest, right?</i>

1110
00:49:43,188 --> 00:49:45,273
<i>And right now, it's peaceful.</i>

1111
00:49:45,315 --> 00:49:46,858
<i>- Is it peaceful?
- [Sarah] Well, they're not--</i>

1112
00:49:46,900 --> 00:49:48,819
<i>If I'm not mistaken,
they're throwing objects</i>

1113
00:49:48,860 --> 00:49:51,655
<i>- and trash at the cops and...
- [Sarah] Are they?</i>

1114
00:49:51,697 --> 00:49:54,616
<i>[Nate] ...attempting
to break into the Capitol.</i>

1115
00:49:54,658 --> 00:49:56,243
<i>[Sarah] You just talked
about crossroads.</i>

1116
00:49:56,284 --> 00:50:00,247
<i>And it's--to me,
it's shocking.</i>

1117
00:50:00,288 --> 00:50:02,249
<i>It's pathetic.
It's disgusting.</i>

1118
00:50:02,290 --> 00:50:05,210
<i>It's unbelievable,
but this was planned.</i>

1119
00:50:05,252 --> 00:50:08,630
<i>[shouting]</i>

1120
00:50:08,672 --> 00:50:10,382
<i>No go! Whose house?</i>

1121
00:50:12,134 --> 00:50:16,471
<i>[indistinct shouting]</i>

1122
00:50:16,513 --> 00:50:17,931
<i>[Karim]
Americans never thought</i>

1123
00:50:17,973 --> 00:50:19,516
<i>that this would happen,
because we assume</i>

1124
00:50:19,558 --> 00:50:20,976
<i>that things just get better.</i>

1125
00:50:21,018 --> 00:50:22,853
<i>[rioter] 1776!</i>

1126
00:50:27,733 --> 00:50:29,151
<i>[Karim]
Is this the last gasp, Reed?</i>

1127
00:50:29,192 --> 00:50:30,360
<i>Or is this...?</i>

1128
00:50:30,402 --> 00:50:32,362
<i>I don't think so.</i>

1129
00:50:32,404 --> 00:50:34,448
<i>Why would it be?</i>

1130
00:50:34,489 --> 00:50:35,866
<i>He's not going to go away.</i>

1131
00:50:35,907 --> 00:50:37,993
<i>If anything, this--
this reinforces</i>

1132
00:50:38,035 --> 00:50:39,870
<i>these people's belief in him.</i>

1133
00:50:48,545 --> 00:50:50,380
<i>[Jennifer] I'm convinced it's
exactly what the president</i>

1134
00:50:50,422 --> 00:50:51,590
<i>wanted to have happen.</i>

1135
00:50:53,633 --> 00:50:56,928
<i>He's been laying the groundwork
for exactly this</i>

1136
00:50:56,970 --> 00:50:58,722
<i>from the beginning
of his campaign.</i>

1137
00:50:58,764 --> 00:51:00,265
<i>[shouting]</i>

1138
00:51:02,934 --> 00:51:06,605
<i>So the Defense Department
has just denied</i>

1139
00:51:06,646 --> 00:51:09,566
<i>a request by the D.C. officials</i>

1140
00:51:09,608 --> 00:51:11,651
<i>to deploy more National Guards.</i>

1141
00:51:11,693 --> 00:51:13,779
<i>[Sarah] Oh, now they're--
you see the gun?</i>

1142
00:51:13,820 --> 00:51:17,032
<i>[Nate] Look at this shit.
Look at this.</i>

1143
00:51:17,074 --> 00:51:18,533
<i>Look at this shit.</i>

1144
00:51:18,575 --> 00:51:20,077
<i>Guns, yeah.</i>

1145
00:51:22,913 --> 00:51:25,165
<i>[Reed] This is just
the end result of four years</i>

1146
00:51:25,207 --> 00:51:27,751
<i>of them deciding that they just
thought that the vampire</i>

1147
00:51:27,793 --> 00:51:29,002
<i>was going to be nice to 'em</i>

1148
00:51:29,044 --> 00:51:31,755
<i>once we invited him
into the house.</i>

1149
00:51:31,797 --> 00:51:35,383
<i>They played around
with a fucking black mamba,</i>

1150
00:51:35,425 --> 00:51:37,594
<i>and you know what?
The fucker bit 'em.</i>

1151
00:51:37,636 --> 00:51:39,721
<i>Like, what the fuck did they
think was going to happen?</i>

1152
00:51:39,763 --> 00:51:42,432
<i>[shouting]</i>

1153
00:51:42,474 --> 00:51:45,519
<i>One of our staffers
is texting me and Rick.</i>

1154
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:46,937
<i>"I'm really worried
about you guys.</i>

1155
00:51:46,978 --> 00:51:48,605
<i>I hope you guys
are someplace safe."</i>

1156
00:51:48,647 --> 00:51:50,440
<i>And Rick just texts
a picture of a 9 millimeter</i>

1157
00:51:50,482 --> 00:51:52,025
<i>with a silencer and an AR-15.</i>

1158
00:51:52,067 --> 00:51:54,361
<i>And he said, "I'm fine."
[laughs]</i>

1159
00:51:54,402 --> 00:51:57,322
<i>[shouting]</i>

1160
00:51:59,157 --> 00:52:01,451
<i>[Rick] If they had found
U.S. senators</i>

1161
00:52:01,493 --> 00:52:03,829
<i>who were not pure MAGA,</i>

1162
00:52:03,870 --> 00:52:05,288
<i>they would have killed them.</i>

1163
00:52:05,330 --> 00:52:07,499
<i>This was the plan.</i>

1164
00:52:07,541 --> 00:52:09,584
<i>This wasn't a coincidence.</i>

1165
00:52:09,626 --> 00:52:11,920
<i>I believe that we're
in a civil war now.</i>

1166
00:52:11,962 --> 00:52:13,839
<i>[rioters chanting] USA!</i>

1167
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:15,757
<i>USA!</i>

1168
00:52:15,799 --> 00:52:18,885
<i>This is the most
despicable act that's ever</i>

1169
00:52:18,927 --> 00:52:21,304
<i>been incited by any president.</i>

1170
00:52:21,346 --> 00:52:22,848
<i>[shouting]</i>

1171
00:52:22,889 --> 00:52:26,143
<i>But Donald Trump
didn't do this alone.</i>

1172
00:52:26,184 --> 00:52:29,855
<i>Always look for the coalition
between the elites--</i>

1173
00:52:29,896 --> 00:52:32,232
<i>Josh Hawley
of Stanford University</i>

1174
00:52:32,274 --> 00:52:34,317
<i>and Yale Law School,</i>

1175
00:52:34,359 --> 00:52:38,071
<i>the Harvard Law School
graduate Ted Cruz,</i>

1176
00:52:38,113 --> 00:52:40,907
<i>the propagandists, the liars.</i>

1177
00:52:40,949 --> 00:52:43,994
<i>And then, of course,
the financiers.</i>

1178
00:52:44,035 --> 00:52:45,996
<i>How many corporations
in this country</i>

1179
00:52:46,037 --> 00:52:49,166
<i>signed statements in support
of Black Lives Matter,</i>

1180
00:52:49,207 --> 00:52:53,128
<i>and then also funded
Mitch McConnell's super PAC</i>

1181
00:52:53,170 --> 00:52:55,463
<i>and Kevin McCarthy's
super PAC?</i>

1182
00:52:55,505 --> 00:52:58,592
<i>All of these efforts
that were supported</i>

1183
00:52:58,633 --> 00:53:00,510
<i>by these House Republicans
were aimed</i>

1184
00:53:00,552 --> 00:53:04,890
<i>at disenfranchising millions
of Black votes.</i>

1185
00:53:04,931 --> 00:53:06,516
<i>A lot of companies
in this country</i>

1186
00:53:06,558 --> 00:53:08,810
<i>are going to have some
decisions to make about</i>

1187
00:53:08,852 --> 00:53:12,480
<i>whether they want to support
an autocratic movement</i>

1188
00:53:12,522 --> 00:53:15,567
<i>that does violence
to our institutions,</i>

1189
00:53:15,609 --> 00:53:18,820
<i>that's led to the deaths of
people on the basis of a lie.</i>

1190
00:53:18,862 --> 00:53:21,198
<i>It is a lie.</i>

1191
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,409
<i>These are domestic enemies.</i>

1192
00:53:24,451 --> 00:53:26,369
<i>This is what the word
"domestic enemy"</i>

1193
00:53:26,411 --> 00:53:29,164
<i>means in the Constitution.</i>

1194
00:53:29,206 --> 00:53:31,374
<i>This has been an amoral</i>

1195
00:53:31,416 --> 00:53:34,628
<i>and an immoral regime.</i>

1196
00:53:34,669 --> 00:53:35,545
<i>[explosion]</i>

1197
00:53:35,587 --> 00:53:36,671
<i>What a tragic day.</i>

1198
00:53:36,713 --> 00:53:38,798
<i>[shouting]</i>

1199
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,343
<i>There will be no letup
on our pressure</i>

1200
00:53:41,384 --> 00:53:44,304
<i>until Kevin McCarthy
is removed from leadership.</i>

1201
00:53:44,346 --> 00:53:47,182
<i>There will be no letup
on our public pressure</i>

1202
00:53:47,224 --> 00:53:49,726
<i>until Rick Scott
is removed as the chairman</i>

1203
00:53:49,768 --> 00:53:53,230
<i>of the Senatorial Committee,
the chief finance arm.</i>

1204
00:53:53,271 --> 00:53:56,066
<i>There will be no letup
on this campaign</i>

1205
00:53:56,107 --> 00:53:59,569
<i>until Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley
and Ron Johnson</i>

1206
00:53:59,611 --> 00:54:03,240
<i>are either expelled
or resign or censured</i>

1207
00:54:03,281 --> 00:54:05,242
<i>by the United States Senate.</i>

1208
00:54:09,663 --> 00:54:14,251
<i>The goal of the organization
was to defeat Donald Trump.</i>

1209
00:54:17,337 --> 00:54:18,755
<i>That wasn't enough.</i>

1210
00:54:22,550 --> 00:54:24,511
<i>In the end,</i>

1211
00:54:24,552 --> 00:54:28,390
<i>politics is
a heartbreaking business.</i>

1212
00:54:28,431 --> 00:54:31,017
<i>I had death threats.</i>

1213
00:54:31,059 --> 00:54:33,812
<i>I had to move.</i>

1214
00:54:33,853 --> 00:54:37,274
<i>I had 20 boxes
of human excrement</i>

1215
00:54:37,315 --> 00:54:39,943
<i>sent to my house.</i>

1216
00:54:41,278 --> 00:54:44,406
<i>But would I do it again?</i>

1217
00:54:44,447 --> 00:54:48,910
<i>And the answer is, I would.</i>

1218
00:54:48,952 --> 00:54:51,621
<i>And the reason I would
is because I think</i>

1219
00:54:51,663 --> 00:54:54,791
<i>if this organization
did not begin,</i>

1220
00:54:54,833 --> 00:54:57,460
<i>Donald Trump would have been
narrowly re-elected.</i>

1221
00:54:59,796 --> 00:55:03,508
<i>Because this organization took
the fight to Donald Trump,</i>

1222
00:55:03,550 --> 00:55:04,968
<i>then knocked Donald Trump
on his ass.</i>

1223
00:55:08,221 --> 00:55:11,599
<i>And this country needs
an organization...</i>

1224
00:55:13,476 --> 00:55:14,978
<i>...that can fight.</i>

1225
00:55:21,484 --> 00:55:24,112
<i>[Mike] We've all known people
who are just kind of angry</i>

1226
00:55:24,154 --> 00:55:25,196
<i>all the time.</i>

1227
00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:30,910
<i>Even in a
beautiful country with,</i>

1228
00:55:30,952 --> 00:55:32,579
<i>you know,
limitless opportunities,</i>

1229
00:55:32,620 --> 00:55:35,874
<i>there are still people who
are just raging, pissed off.</i>

1230
00:55:38,209 --> 00:55:41,963
<i>I believe America is
at an inflection point.</i>

1231
00:55:42,005 --> 00:55:44,632
<i>The American identity
that we have known</i>

1232
00:55:44,674 --> 00:55:47,802
<i>is beginning to turn
on our own institutions.</i>

1233
00:55:49,346 --> 00:55:51,389
<i>That is what Trumpism is.</i>

1234
00:55:51,431 --> 00:55:52,682
<i>It is about blame.</i>

1235
00:55:52,724 --> 00:55:54,142
<i>It is about grievance.</i>

1236
00:55:54,184 --> 00:55:57,354
<i>It is about anger.</i>

1237
00:55:57,395 --> 00:56:01,024
<i>There's something addicting
about outrage, right?</i>

1238
00:56:01,066 --> 00:56:02,859
<i>That's part of what
defines this era.</i>

1239
00:56:02,901 --> 00:56:04,861
<i>If you watch FOX News,</i>

1240
00:56:04,903 --> 00:56:07,405
<i>there's always something
to be pissed off about--</i>

1241
00:56:07,447 --> 00:56:09,616
<i>like, blow-your-stack,</i>

1242
00:56:09,657 --> 00:56:12,952
<i>veins-in-your-neck angry about.</i>

1243
00:56:12,994 --> 00:56:14,204
<i>And then they're going
to sell it to you</i>

1244
00:56:14,245 --> 00:56:16,539
<i>because there's a lot of money
in anger.</i>

1245
00:56:16,581 --> 00:56:18,500
<i>There's a lot of money
in outrage.</i>

1246
00:56:18,541 --> 00:56:20,210
<i>We've monetized it.</i>

1247
00:56:22,921 --> 00:56:26,341
<i>A lot of campaigns require it.</i>

1248
00:56:26,383 --> 00:56:28,051
<i>And at a certain point,
I think we all have</i>

1249
00:56:28,093 --> 00:56:30,512
<i>an obligation to say,</i>

1250
00:56:30,553 --> 00:56:33,807
<i>"Is making money
out of an outrage machine</i>

1251
00:56:33,848 --> 00:56:36,059
<i>helping democracy,
or is it hurting it?"</i>

1252
00:56:39,062 --> 00:56:42,232
<i>And after 30 years,
does that wear on your soul?</i>

1253
00:56:44,234 --> 00:56:46,027
<i>Fuck yeah,
it wears on your soul.</i>

1254
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:48,530
<i>Anybody who says it doesn't
is full of crap.</i>

1255
00:57:02,961 --> 00:57:05,004
<i>[Steve]
But make no mistake,</i>

1256
00:57:05,046 --> 00:57:07,757
<i>the idea that
The Lincoln Project story</i>

1257
00:57:07,799 --> 00:57:10,176
<i>is a story of the good people
against the bad people</i>

1258
00:57:10,218 --> 00:57:12,595
<i>is a very naive take on this.</i>

1259
00:57:12,637 --> 00:57:14,472
<i>- [static crackles]
- [explosion]</i>

1260
00:57:14,514 --> 00:57:15,598
<i>[shouting]</i>

1261
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:16,850
<i>[rioter] Cover your eyes!</i>

1262
00:57:16,891 --> 00:57:17,934
<i>[shouting]</i>