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-Find your way through.
-Okay.
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-We hear you! Where are you?!
-Where are you?
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-I'm gonna find you!
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Dead end! This way.
Come this way. Go this way. This way.
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You know, when I look back
at my own childhood, it was great.
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But I just remember
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feeling alone a lot.
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Which way are you gonna go?
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Go, go, go!
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I just wanted
all these cousins and these people.
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I just wanted all of that.
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And I didn't have that big family.
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Oh! He's down!
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You got it!
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So when I was
pregnant with Archie…
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…I was just so excited that we were
going to be able to create for him
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that thing that I had always wanted
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So I just did everything I could
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to make them proud.
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And to really be a part of the family.
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And then the bubble burst.
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-Duchess Difficult…
-No official word from the palace…
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It was already clear to the media
that the palace wasn't gonna protect her.
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Once that happens, the floodgates open.
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And I realized that I wasn't just…
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being thrown to the wolves,
I was being fed to the wolves.
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So you and your father
were close most of your life.
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-Is that right?
-Yeah.
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I mean, you know, family.
So it's never easy, never perfect.
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But of course, I talked to my dad
several times a week and, you know…
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So when did things
start to go awry there?
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When the media got involved.
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Well, we are joined this morning
by Meghan Markle's father, Thomas.
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Thank you so much
for being with us. I want to take you…
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After the wedding,
my dad started doing interviews,
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mostly saying things about me.
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Meghan Markle's dad.
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…Thomas Markle yesterday.
He was really upset…
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…does not stop apparently…
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It was incredibly painful.
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And the world
is watching this drama play out.
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And then he started
criticizing the royal family.
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But it was very embarrassing
for the family.
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It was a problem that needed to be solved,
and they wanted me to make it stop.
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And… 'Cause I'd reached out
to Her Majesty.
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Like, "This is what's going on.
What do you want me to do?"
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"I want to make…"
Like, "Whatever advice you have."
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But ultimately,
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it was suggested
by the Queen, the Prince of Wales,
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that I write my dad a letter.
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And I had gone to great lengths
to get that letter to my dad discreetly.
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Because I can't
put this letter in the mail
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with the return address
being Kensington Palace,
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and send it to Tom Markle
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and assume it's gonna get there.
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So I send it to my business manager in LA.
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I was like, "He'll recognize that name."
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Then I get the picture of the signature
confirmation that it's been delivered,
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and it's not his signature.
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That's not my dad's handwriting.
It just says "Thomas."
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A private letter from the
Duchess to her dad has been made public.
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Thomas has, uh,
we think, now released this letter,
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and it's pretty damaging.
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New private moments between
Duchess Meghan and her estranged father.
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…now a very public
and painful description of their rift.
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It was…
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horrendous.
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The Daily Mail said, "We have
the full and complete five-page letter."
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I was like, "What would it look like
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if you redacted the stuff
that they didn't put in?"
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"What would it look like?"
So you could really see…
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They're telling the public
"Here's this whole letter."
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And when you're literally
taking sentences out of paragraphs
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and words out of sentences.
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You want to print my letter,
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which you know you can't do legally.
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But you want to print it
and paint a completely different picture
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of who I am
and my relationship with my dad.
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And take out every single thing I said
about how the media has manipulated you.
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People are scratching their heads, going,
"How would the Mail have the,
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either the stupidity or the,
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whatever you want to call it,
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to print a letter
between a daughter and a father?"
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Well, the answer is simple.
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They knew the family
would encourage us not to sue.
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We sat down
with the lawyer for the institution
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and senior members of the palace.
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And it was in those meetings that
I reminded them that I wrote that letter
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at the guidance
of senior members of the family.
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You know this is unlawful.
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"So we have to draw the line.
We have to take legal action."
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They said "Yes, of course."
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And I would follow up
for weeks and weeks and weeks.
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"Hey what's going on with this?" Nothing.
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After months of saying,
"She needs to do something about this,"
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we took separate legal advice.
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I knew from the first meeting
that this was really serious,
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in that it was having
a horrid impact on Meghan.
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There's the narrative
that the royal family adopt
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a "never complain, never explain"
approach to the media.
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And I think Meghan went along with that
for a long period.
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But there was
a real kind of war against Meghan.
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And I've certainly seen evidence
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that there was negative briefing
from the palace against Harry and Meghan
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to suit other people's agendas.
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Meg became
this scapegoat for the palace.
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And so they would feed stories on her
whether they were true or not
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to avoid other, less favorable stories
being printed.
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You would just see it play out.
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Like a story about someone in the family
would pop up for a minute, and they'd go,
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"We gotta make that go away."
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But there's real estate
on a website homepage.
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There is real estate there
on a newspaper front cover.
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And something has to be filled in there
about someone royal.
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This barrage of negative articles
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about the breakdown
of the relationship with her father
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was the final straw in a campaign
of negative, nasty coverage about her.
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Looking back,
it was one of the first acts, um,
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of them breaking away
from the institution.
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Prince Harry and Meghan Markle
are suing the Mail on Sunday.
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The lawsuit claims
the Mail violated the law
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by publishing a personal letter
she wrote to her father.
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This is a massive error.
If you're royal, keep schtum, keep quiet.
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Everything changed after that.
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That litigation was the catalyst
probably for all of the unraveling.
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This is snow!
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This is snow!
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What is it?
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The media coverage of the lawsuit
was negative, which we always knew.
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You don't go into these things
expecting anything but that.
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Um, so it was really
a good opportunity for us to get away.
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What is it?
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You know, with Archie,
just to clear our heads.
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Bucking tradition,
the Duke and Duchess of Sussex
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will not be spending Christmas
with the Queen.
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Good girl, Pula! Come on.
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I just loved being there.
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It was just so peaceful.
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Good girl, Pula.
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You could breathe for a minute.
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Hi!
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It was absolutely amazing.
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Because the main thing
that we needed was some space.
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Some space to think and just
work out what on earth we're doing.
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-Are you filming?
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It was so cold.
Was that right in the New Year?
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Yeah, that was,
um, on 1st January.
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I came out refreshed.
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-And I was like, "Here we go, 2020."
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"What you got?"
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The DailyMail.com
has some exclusive details
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about the new home
that he and Meghan are currently renting.
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There wasn't a single paparazzi
that lives on Vancouver Island.
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That was the reason we chose it.
It's an island.
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There's another one there.
A paparazzi vehicle.
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No one in their right mind
would have to deal with this endlessly.
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The toll was visible.
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The emotional toll
that it was having on both of us,
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but especially, um, especially my wife.
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What are we gonna do?
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We're gonna have to change this,
for our own sake.
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Like, let's really think this through.
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How are we gonna do this?
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How are we gonna change
our relationship with the institution,
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but in a way that protects us and our
mental health and our wellbeing as well?
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So, at the end of December,
the beginning of January,
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I've been on the phone
to my father, saying, "We've got a plan."
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What if we move to Canada?
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It would be good
to give ourselves some breathing space,
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but also we were really passionate about
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continuing our work throughout
the Commonwealth, to support the Queen.
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Well, and also, I think what's important
is the pack of the royal rota
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is based there in London.
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So if we're not there,
they can't cover what we're doing.
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You guys can be
on the front pages of all the papers.
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You can have it
exactly the way you want it.
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And we can just go about doing the work
in the name of the Queen.
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If you want us to go and do things
on behalf of the Queen,
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we'll go and do it.
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And we'll pay for it ourselves.
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We don't want to be dependent
on any taxpayer funding. Guess what?
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You get us, but you get us for free.
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And this was years in the making.
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We really wanted to remove
the supposed public interest argument
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that the press had
over every element of our lives.
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Their argument was, "If you have,
uh, even 1% of public funding,
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any part of your life, then we can
basically claim public interest."
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"We can invade your privacy on everything
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because you have public funds
supporting you."
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In 2018, we'd already talked
about perhaps moving to New Zealand.
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And that never transpired.
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And then beginning of 2019,
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we discussed the whole concept
of us moving to South Africa,
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supporting charities,
organizations in Africa.
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The job is
a lot of cause-driven work.
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So I thought, "Well, this is great."
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There's an asset
in having a woman of color
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when you have 50 plus
Commonwealth countries,
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the majority of which are people of color.
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And the palace signed off
on us moving to South Africa.
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So my father's office knew about it,
my brother's office knew about it,
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and my grandmother's office knew about it.
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No one else knew.
It was very much an internal document.
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Then it was leaked to The Times newspaper.
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Then that whole plan
was then scrapped.
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Because it's now become a public debate.
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Once plans like that
become public debates,
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nine times out of ten, it's gonna fail.
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By the time I was speaking
to my father from Canada,
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the family and their people knew
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that we were trying
to find a different way of working
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for a minimum of two years.
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Minimum.
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"Okay, Canada."
I was speaking to my father.
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-"This is the plan."
-He says, "Can you put that in writing?"
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And I said "I'd rather not.
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He says, "I can't do anything
unless you put it in writing."
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Sent him emails
on 1st, 2nd and 3rd January.
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And in one of those,
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I'd mentioned that, you know,
if this wasn't gonna work out,
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then we would be willing to relinquish
our Sussex titles, if need be.
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-So that was--
-That was the plan.
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-That was the plan.
-Mm.
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Before we left,
I spoke to my grandmother as well,
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and told her
that we're coming back on the 6th,
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and I would love to come
and drive up and come and see you.
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She knew that we were finding things hard.
I'd spoken to her many times about it.
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She told me she had no plans for the week.
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She said, "Well, why don't you come up?"
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"You can have tea, but why don't you
stay the night, you and Meghan?"
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So we were flying back
from Vancouver straight to Heathrow
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and right as we're getting on the plane,
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this urgent, urgent message
comes through to H saying,
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"You are not allowed to see Her Majesty."
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"Make sure that your principle is aware
he cannot go and see her."
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"She's busy. She has plans all week."
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I was like, "That's certainly
the opposite to what she had told me."
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Once we were back in the UK, I rang her
and said, "I'm now told that you're busy."
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She goes, "Yes, I didn't know I was busy.
I've been told that I'm busy."
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"I've been told that I'm busy all week."
I was like, "Wow."
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And I remember looking at H.
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I mean, my gosh,
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this is when a family
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and a family business
are in direct conflict.
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Because they're blocking you
from seeing the Queen.
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But really what they're doing is blocking
a grandson from seeing his grandmother.
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Later that afternoon, we found out
that this story was coming out.
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Somehow, the tabloids
knew about this proposal.
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I think we've known for a while
that the couple have been very unhappy
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and have been struggling with
their public role in the royal family.
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His dad said, "Put it in writing."
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And he did,
and it was just five days later
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it was on the front page of a newspaper.
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There's a lot of speculation
that perhaps Canada,
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which is where Meghan lived
before marrying into the royal family.
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It became clear that the institution
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leaked the fact that we were
going to be moving back to Canada.
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And the key piece of that story
that made me aware
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that the contents of the letter
between me and my father had been leaked
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was that we were willing
to relinquish our Sussex titles.
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That was the giveaway.
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And I was like, "Wow."
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Our story, our life,
literally got taken from underneath us.
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You could feel the ticking clock
at that point.
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So with our team,
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we decided we would put out a statement
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that we were going to sadly
be stepping back.
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Not stepping down,
but to just have a reduced role.
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For my whole life,
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the purse strings
had been controlled by my father.
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Within the family,
it's normal to have that financial control
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over other members of the family.
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So the hope was that,
it's right there in black and white.
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You can see, here's our intention.
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Here's how we wish to continue
to support the Commonwealth.
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Here's how we value our roles
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as president and vice-president
of the Queen's Commonwealth Trust.
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Big surprise
from Prince Harry and Meghan Markle.
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Reportedly
blindsiding the Queen…
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Prince Charles
and Prince William were only sent a copy
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of Harry and Meghan's statement
ten minutes before it was released.
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The Queen got surprised as…
Like all of us.
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It was the fact that they announced it
officially on Instagram.
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This idea that I supposedly
blindsided my grandmother.
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This would never happen.
I have so much respect for her.
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This has been ongoing
for months upon months.
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I mean, I think in some people's minds,
it was like me going, "Post."
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What?
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I'd sent an email to the three most senior
private secretaries saying,
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"Let's get together and have a meeting.
Let's talk about this."
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Because what was happening,
what was playing out in public, was crazy.
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That meeting was rejected.
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After the announcement, I had
to get back, 'cause Archie was in Canada.
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And it was only once Meg had left
and gone back to Canada
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that it was then arranged
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that there was going to be a meeting
at Sandringham on the following Monday.
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Imagine a conversation,
a round-table discussion,
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about the future of your life,
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when the stakes are this high,
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and you as the mom and the wife…
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and the target in many regards,
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aren't invited
to have a seat at the table.
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It was clear to me that they'd planned it
so that you weren't in the room.
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But you know, Sandringham…
I have such happy memories of Sandringham.
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That was where we spent every Christmas.
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And now I was back there
in very different circumstances.
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Well, it's an historic day
for the royal family.
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The Queen has called this urgent meeting.
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Prince Harry will be there,
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of course, along with his brother,
Prince William, and Prince Charles.
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-Who was that?
-The Duke.
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They'll be trying to come up
with a blueprint for the way forward.
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I went in with the same proposal
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that we'd already,
you know, made publicly.
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But once I got there,
I was given five options.
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One being, all in, no change.
Five being, all out.
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I chose option three in the meeting.
Half in, half out.
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Have our own jobs,
but also work in support of the Queen.
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It became very clear very quickly, that
goal was not up for discussion or debate.
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It was terrifying to have my brother
scream and shout at me,
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and my father say things
that just simply weren't true,
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and my grandmother,
you know, quietly sit there,
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and sort of take it all in.
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But you have to understand that,
from the family's perspective,
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especially from hers,
there are ways of doing things,
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and her ultimate sort of mission, goal,
slash responsibility is the institution.
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People around her are telling her,
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"By the way, that proposal,
or these two doing X, Y, Z,
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is going to be seen
as an attack on the institution."
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Then she's gonna go
on the advice that she's given.
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It was really hard.
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That meeting finished
without any, like, solidified action plan.
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I think, from their perspective,
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they had to believe
that it was more about us,
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and maybe the issues that we had,
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as opposed to their partner,
the media, and themselves,
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and that relationship
that was causing so much pain for us.
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They saw what they wanted to see.
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Fire! There's a fire!
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I mean, the saddest part of it
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was this wedge created
between myself and my brother,
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so that he's now on the institution's
side. And I get… Part of that, I get.
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I understand, right?
That's… That's his inheritance.
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So to some extent it's already ingrained
in him that part of his responsibility
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is the survivability
and the continuation of this institution.
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An unbelievably sad
breakdown between the brothers.
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They always used to be in step
and they're clearly out of step now.
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That day, a story came out
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saying that part of the reason
why Meghan and I were leaving,
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uh, was because
William had bullied us out.
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And once I got in the car
after the meeting,
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I was told about a joint statement
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that had been put out
in my name and my brother's name
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squashing the story
about him bullying us out of the family.
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A sign of public unity
from the brothers,
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who issued a joint statement,
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calling the report "false, offensive,
and potentially harmful."
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I couldn't believe it.
No one had asked me.
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No one had asked me permission
to put my name to a statement like that.
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And I rang M and I told her,
and she burst into floods of tears,
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because within four hours, they were happy
to lie to protect my brother,
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and yet for three years, they were never
willing to tell the truth to protect us.
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Suddenly what clicked
in my head was, "It's never gonna stop."
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Every rumor,
every negative thing, every lie,
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everything that I knew wasn't true,
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and that the palace knew wasn't true
and internally they knew wasn't true
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that was just being allowed to fester.
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So there was no other option
at this point.
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I said, "We need to get out of here."
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Breaking news,
this one out of London.
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Prince Harry and
Meghan Markle are officially moving on.
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Announcing they're taking
a step back from their royal duties.
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Trying to do for Meghan
what he couldn't do for his mum.
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Exactly.
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Nobody could take the attacking
and the trolling that she has taken.
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I know she has felt strongly. This is like
getting back some control of her life.
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She feels she has no control.
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This was Harry's decision
to move away
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from what he'd obviously imagined
was gonna be his future and his destiny.
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There was always a sense
that Meghan had to prove herself.
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Prove herself worthy of Britain,
prove herself worthy of her husband.
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Prove herself worthy
of her position in the royal family.
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It's a lot to ask of any individual.
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The British public opinion
is that it's all Meghan's fault.
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I've seen little cartoons
of me on all fours with her,
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um, holding a dog lead
and me wearing the dog collar.
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How predictable that, you know,
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the woman is to be blamed
for the decision of a couple.
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In fact, it was my decision.
She never asked to leave.
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I was the one
that had to see it for myself.
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But it's misogyny at its best.
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Some of the tabloids
are calling the two "the Rogue Royals"
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and describing the move as "Megxit."
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I felt the term "Megxit" was
just indicative of the frivolousness,
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the unseriousness,
the flippant nature of the tabloid press.
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It's what happens when you have
a press that is devoid of journalism,
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that lives on outrage and monetizes anger.
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She thought
it would be tiaras and tea parties.
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You can see the manipulation.
All the way along the relationship…
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Turning their backs
on the royal family.
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They've received the wrath,
the full wrath of the media establishment.
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Almost like teenagers
stamping their foot and saying…
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Meghan suddenly realized she
wasn't going to be the star of the show.
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She won't compromise.
Everything's got to be her way.
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It took what felt like everything from me.
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Your sense of self, your confidence.
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And the truth didn't matter.
The clickbait did.
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We're about two minutes
out from the top of the show, so…
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Good afternoon.
I want to welcome Renée DiResta,
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Rashad Robinson,
and Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex.
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Well, Harry, maybe you could
help humanize this for us.
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Just a month ago,
a report by Bot Sentinel,
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a company that analyzes tweets,
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uh, found that a very small number
of anti-Meghan and Harry accounts
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were responsible for a huge percentage
of the hateful content
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about you on Twitter.
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Misinformation is
a global humanitarian crisis.
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Um, as you quite rightly pointed out,
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I've felt it personally over the years.
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We know that a small group of accounts
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are allowed to create
a huge amount of chaos online,
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and without any consequence whatsoever.
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Bot Sentinel has looked
at everything from QAnon to MAGA,
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to COVID disinformation,
to climate change disinformation.
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We've never seen anything quite like this.
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What was interesting to me
about that report
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is that it showed
that there were a handful of accounts,
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that weren't just bots,
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but they were people who were highly
coordinated and deeply networked
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and responsible for the vast majority
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00:28:52,522 --> 00:28:55,024
of hate propaganda against the couple.
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We looked at 114,000 tweets,
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00:29:00,864 --> 00:29:06,453
and we were able to then determine
that 70% of the hateful content
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00:29:07,287 --> 00:29:09,247
came from just 83 accounts.
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00:29:09,873 --> 00:29:12,375
And they had a reach of 17 million people.
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00:29:15,211 --> 00:29:16,838
So this is not your everyday trolling.
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00:29:20,383 --> 00:29:22,677
They were coordinating and talking about
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what they would discuss
for that particular day or week,
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00:29:25,388 --> 00:29:27,307
what pictures they should disseminate.
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00:29:27,390 --> 00:29:29,267
They were actively recruiting people,
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00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:31,936
telling people
how to create multiple accounts.
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00:29:32,479 --> 00:29:35,774
How to use VPNs, you know,
virtual private networks,
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to hide the IP,
so they don't get suspended.
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00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:40,612
It's insane.
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00:29:40,695 --> 00:29:43,990
What is it about Meghan Markle
that has driven Prince Harry to not only…
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00:29:44,073 --> 00:29:46,576
In every scenario, who's the victim?
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00:29:46,659 --> 00:29:48,036
…because she separated him…
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00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:49,871
And it was done by people
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00:29:49,954 --> 00:29:54,459
who were just not
the typical quote-unquote trolls.
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These are housewives.
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00:29:55,460 --> 00:29:59,631
These are middle-aged Caucasian women
creating just constant attacks,
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00:29:59,714 --> 00:30:03,927
from "Go back to America," to basically,
you know, "Why don't you die?"
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00:30:11,476 --> 00:30:13,978
Samantha Markle was part of the group
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00:30:14,062 --> 00:30:16,981
that was putting out
a lot of this disinformation.
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00:30:18,191 --> 00:30:20,777
Samantha had her account suspended.
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00:30:20,860 --> 00:30:23,238
And then we actually sent Twitter a list
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because she had,
like, 11 additional accounts.
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And yeah, we were baffled by this.
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How can the half-sister of Meghan
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be part of a hate group?
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00:30:46,636 --> 00:30:50,473
Perhaps the most troubling part of this
is the number of British journalists
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interacting with and amplifying
the hate and the lies.
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00:30:53,184 --> 00:30:56,813
When a lie spreads on social media,
it's dangerous. Of course it is.
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But when that same lie is given, uh,
credibility by journalists or publishers,
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00:31:02,735 --> 00:31:05,613
it's unethical, and as far
as I'm concerned, an abuse of power.
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00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,411
For the main hate accounts,
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their primary motive
is monetizing this stuff.
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00:31:16,457 --> 00:31:19,711
But the secondary accounts,
it's about hatred.
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00:31:19,794 --> 00:31:22,589
It's about, you know… You know, race.
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And the focus was predominantly on Meghan.
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Comparing her to,
for example, you know, a monkey.
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00:31:42,442 --> 00:31:45,153
So then also,
there would be derogatory terms
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where they would use the N-word on tweets.
474
00:31:50,199 --> 00:31:54,954
The seriousness of what has
happened to her and what happened,
475
00:31:55,038 --> 00:31:57,707
what happened to us,
and what continues to happen to her,
476
00:31:58,708 --> 00:32:00,043
that needs to be acknowledged.
477
00:32:00,126 --> 00:32:02,962
Also I think for people
to really understand,
478
00:32:04,088 --> 00:32:07,258
you know when you plant
a seed that is so hateful,
479
00:32:08,259 --> 00:32:09,385
what it can grow into.
480
00:32:09,469 --> 00:32:11,512
I mean, just a couple of days ago,
481
00:32:13,139 --> 00:32:16,434
I was going through the manual
for our security team at home,
482
00:32:16,517 --> 00:32:19,187
and on one of the pages
that I happened to flip to,
483
00:32:19,270 --> 00:32:21,731
it was about online monitoring,
and they're like,
484
00:32:21,814 --> 00:32:23,274
"If you see a tweet like this,
485
00:32:23,358 --> 00:32:26,110
please report it
to the head of security immediately."
486
00:32:26,194 --> 00:32:29,530
It just said, "Meghan just needs to die."
487
00:32:30,156 --> 00:32:32,325
"Someone needs to kill her.
Maybe it should be me."
488
00:32:33,159 --> 00:32:34,160
And I was just like…
489
00:32:36,037 --> 00:32:40,041
"Okay." That's, like,
what's actually out in the world
490
00:32:41,125 --> 00:32:42,919
because of people creating hate.
491
00:32:44,671 --> 00:32:45,630
And I'm a mom.
492
00:32:46,422 --> 00:32:48,007
That's my real life.
493
00:32:49,634 --> 00:32:52,512
You know? And that's the piece
when you see it and you go…
494
00:32:53,221 --> 00:32:55,390
"You are making people want to kill me."
495
00:32:56,432 --> 00:33:00,103
It's not just a tabloid.
It's not just some story.
496
00:33:02,188 --> 00:33:03,731
You are making me scared.
497
00:33:05,108 --> 00:33:08,403
Right? And like that night, to be
up and down in the middle of the night,
498
00:33:08,486 --> 00:33:11,030
looking down my hallway, like,
"Are we safe? Are the doors locked?"
499
00:33:11,114 --> 00:33:13,825
"Is security on?
Is everything…" That's real.
500
00:33:15,201 --> 00:33:16,411
"Are my babies safe?"
501
00:33:18,454 --> 00:33:20,039
And you've created it for what?
502
00:33:21,416 --> 00:33:25,461
Because you're bored,
or because it sells your papers?
503
00:33:27,005 --> 00:33:28,715
It makes you feel better
about your own life?
504
00:33:28,798 --> 00:33:30,550
It's real what you're doing.
505
00:33:32,260 --> 00:33:35,847
And that's the piece
I don't think people fully understand.
506
00:33:36,514 --> 00:33:40,268
"It's wonderfully good of you,
snake, but no, I'm having a feast with a…"
507
00:33:40,351 --> 00:33:41,185
Gruffalo!
508
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:43,688
"A gruffalo? What's a gruffalo?"
509
00:33:46,190 --> 00:33:48,609
Was that a good song?
510
00:33:48,693 --> 00:33:51,195
That was such a good song.
It was awesome.
511
00:33:52,405 --> 00:33:54,490
Do you want me to play it again, Mama?
512
00:33:54,574 --> 00:33:56,534
Yes, please, thank you. Okay.
513
00:33:58,202 --> 00:34:02,040
Let's be clear
about what's actually at stake here.
514
00:34:02,874 --> 00:34:05,168
It's like symbolic annihilation.
515
00:34:05,251 --> 00:34:11,716
If you can destroy people
who are symbols of social justice,
516
00:34:13,217 --> 00:34:17,513
then you can scare people
to not want to be public.
517
00:34:18,890 --> 00:34:21,893
It is a way to signal
to the rest of us to stand down.
518
00:34:28,274 --> 00:34:32,528
When you whip up enough people
into a fervent of hate,
519
00:34:34,822 --> 00:34:37,742
it's not one of those cases
of sticks and stones may break my bones
520
00:34:37,825 --> 00:34:40,078
but words can never hurt me.
521
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:44,540
They can kill you. The threat is real.
522
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,591
-Exhale.
523
00:34:55,593 --> 00:34:59,305
Remember that what is transpiring
in the media,
524
00:34:59,388 --> 00:35:01,474
what's being created, is an illusion.
525
00:35:03,518 --> 00:35:05,520
When you try to prove that you're good
526
00:35:05,603 --> 00:35:07,897
and that you're not the person
they say you are,
527
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,859
you're taking the bait,
you're feeding the beast.
528
00:35:12,485 --> 00:35:13,402
It is an illusion.
529
00:35:15,696 --> 00:35:18,116
Your work is not to prove your goodness.
530
00:35:18,991 --> 00:35:20,827
You know who you are. Both of you.
531
00:35:22,787 --> 00:35:24,747
And whenever you're ready,
you can open your eyes.
532
00:35:32,171 --> 00:35:35,675
As sad as it is,
in order for change to happen,
533
00:35:35,758 --> 00:35:38,136
sometimes a lot of pain
has to come to the surface.
534
00:35:39,929 --> 00:35:42,181
In order for us
to be able to move to the next chapter,
535
00:35:42,265 --> 00:35:43,933
you've got to finish the first chapter.
536
00:35:50,523 --> 00:35:52,650
We both came back in March from Canada.
537
00:35:56,863 --> 00:36:00,616
And that was our sort of farewell week.
538
00:36:04,078 --> 00:36:07,123
We were going
through so many boxes,
539
00:36:07,206 --> 00:36:10,918
literally looking at everything going,
"Oh my gosh, this blanket I missed."
540
00:36:11,002 --> 00:36:12,295
"That hat was so funny."
541
00:36:14,839 --> 00:36:16,090
Just taking it all in.
542
00:36:17,425 --> 00:36:20,803
And it really gave us a chance to just…
543
00:36:23,764 --> 00:36:26,225
To look back at our whole love story.
544
00:36:36,861 --> 00:36:40,573
We always saw Archie running
around the garden at Frogmore Cottage,
545
00:36:40,656 --> 00:36:42,450
and maybe jumping in the Queen's Pond.
546
00:36:42,533 --> 00:36:46,954
That was all part of our future, and
everything changed really, really quickly.
547
00:36:49,248 --> 00:36:52,168
We knew we were gonna get
some breathing space from this…
548
00:36:52,251 --> 00:36:55,338
This very painful experience
that we'd been stuck in.
549
00:36:55,421 --> 00:36:58,466
But also, at the same time,
it was really sad.
550
00:37:00,676 --> 00:37:06,224
I often think about,
in any relationship, oftentimes,
551
00:37:07,266 --> 00:37:09,143
when a guy falls in love with a girl,
552
00:37:09,852 --> 00:37:12,480
his buddies are like,
"Oh my God, he changed."
553
00:37:12,563 --> 00:37:15,775
"I don't see him anymore.
He's always with her."
554
00:37:15,858 --> 00:37:17,276
And you blame the girl.
555
00:37:18,611 --> 00:37:22,531
They're angry with her because
she's the thing that took him away.
556
00:37:22,615 --> 00:37:26,535
And that's whether you're in a small town
or a big city or in the royal family.
557
00:37:28,913 --> 00:37:32,792
He wouldn't have ever
been attracted to or interested in me
558
00:37:32,875 --> 00:37:35,002
if he hadn't already been on his own path.
559
00:37:38,130 --> 00:37:42,009
Most people need to find someone to blame.
560
00:37:44,679 --> 00:37:48,516
To try to, like, reconcile how you're
feeling, 'cause something's changed,
561
00:37:48,599 --> 00:37:51,435
and you don't like it,
and what's the thing that's different?
562
00:37:51,519 --> 00:37:54,605
"This all changed when you got here.
So it's your fault."
563
00:37:57,608 --> 00:37:58,859
But you need to blame me.
564
00:38:00,236 --> 00:38:02,363
Also if you can blame me,
then you have no fault.
565
00:38:05,199 --> 00:38:08,619
So that last week was…
566
00:38:10,246 --> 00:38:11,330
It was bittersweet.
567
00:38:18,796 --> 00:38:21,007
Meghan and Harry,
all smiles tonight.
568
00:38:21,090 --> 00:38:23,551
The royal farewell tour in high gear.
569
00:38:23,634 --> 00:38:27,513
Meghan back in the UK for the first time
since the couple's dramatic decision
570
00:38:27,596 --> 00:38:30,349
to step down as senior working royals.
571
00:38:30,433 --> 00:38:34,103
That farewell week, we did
all these engagements back-to-back.
572
00:38:34,186 --> 00:38:36,731
It was just like… It was a real whirlwind.
573
00:38:37,773 --> 00:38:40,318
Five engagements
in five days.
574
00:38:40,818 --> 00:38:44,488
Until that last week in the UK,
I rarely wore color.
575
00:38:44,572 --> 00:38:47,742
I never wanted to upstage
or ruffle any feathers.
576
00:38:48,326 --> 00:38:50,369
So I just tried to blend in.
577
00:38:51,037 --> 00:38:54,290
-But I wore a lot of color that week.
-Yeah.
578
00:38:54,373 --> 00:38:56,417
I just felt like,
"Let's just look like a rainbow."
579
00:39:20,399 --> 00:39:25,196
We weren't with the family. It was
our opportunity to go out with a bang.
580
00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:28,324
A lot of you tonight
have told me you have my back.
581
00:39:28,407 --> 00:39:31,285
Well, I'm also here to tell you,
I've always got yours.
582
00:39:33,371 --> 00:39:35,164
It never needed to be this way.
583
00:39:36,082 --> 00:39:37,875
We talked about this over and over again.
584
00:39:39,251 --> 00:39:42,338
Sitting up late in the kitchen after
these late night engagements, saying,
585
00:39:43,047 --> 00:39:45,508
"We would have carried on doing this
for the rest of our lives."
586
00:39:48,219 --> 00:39:49,553
I thought, "The public,
587
00:39:50,137 --> 00:39:51,972
if they've been fed these lies
for two years,
588
00:39:52,056 --> 00:39:53,557
what do they think of me?"
589
00:39:55,434 --> 00:39:56,644
"They must hate us."
590
00:39:57,978 --> 00:39:58,938
No.
591
00:40:05,069 --> 00:40:07,488
The people
were just so embracing.
592
00:40:08,197 --> 00:40:12,701
They were sad that we were leaving.
And we were sad that we were leaving.
593
00:40:13,202 --> 00:40:14,703
I'm gonna miss the British public.
594
00:40:14,787 --> 00:40:16,455
Not going to miss the British press, uh,
595
00:40:16,539 --> 00:40:19,417
and their followers
and their trolls that they create.
596
00:40:20,793 --> 00:40:22,920
I'm gonna miss this country. So is Meghan.
597
00:40:37,893 --> 00:40:41,564
It's one of the great
royal family showpieces of the year.
598
00:40:41,647 --> 00:40:46,735
A Westminster Abbey service featuring
the Queen along with Charles and Camilla,
599
00:40:46,819 --> 00:40:49,864
William and Kate, even Edward and Sophie.
600
00:40:50,364 --> 00:40:52,408
And last, Harry and Meghan,
601
00:40:52,491 --> 00:40:56,162
in their last official role
before returning to North America.
602
00:41:01,667 --> 00:41:03,169
The first time that we saw
603
00:41:04,170 --> 00:41:07,339
the other members of the family
was in public at Westminster Abbey.
604
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,636
This is the last time
we'll see the Duke and Duchess of Sussex
605
00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:16,140
with the Queen and the royal family
on an engagement. And it's significant.
606
00:41:17,641 --> 00:41:19,602
We were nervous seeing the family,
607
00:41:19,685 --> 00:41:22,730
because all the TV cameras
and everybody watching at home
608
00:41:22,813 --> 00:41:26,317
and everybody watching in the audience,
it's like living through a soap opera,
609
00:41:27,026 --> 00:41:30,237
where you… everybody else
views you as entertainment.
610
00:41:30,905 --> 00:41:33,991
You really do have to wonder
what was going through their minds
611
00:41:34,074 --> 00:41:36,327
as they were going
through the motions of this,
612
00:41:36,410 --> 00:41:38,496
given what's going on in the background.
613
00:41:40,331 --> 00:41:42,333
I felt really distant
from my family,
614
00:41:42,833 --> 00:41:45,711
which was interesting,
because so much of how they operate
615
00:41:45,794 --> 00:41:48,756
is about what it looks like,
rather than what it feels like.
616
00:41:50,049 --> 00:41:51,550
And it looked cold.
617
00:41:52,718 --> 00:41:53,886
But it also felt cold.
618
00:41:56,472 --> 00:41:59,517
In the services we saw today,
they weren't even in the procession.
619
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,978
That also sort of showing where
things are automatically changing.
620
00:42:03,062 --> 00:42:05,439
When you see
how successful they have been
621
00:42:05,523 --> 00:42:06,899
at their public engagements,
622
00:42:06,982 --> 00:42:09,401
you see what an incredible loss this is
to the royal family.
623
00:42:09,485 --> 00:42:13,280
But also, you really have
to wonder how it was possible
624
00:42:13,364 --> 00:42:17,409
that something could not be worked out
to keep them within the fold.
625
00:42:20,871 --> 00:42:24,542
We had left Westminster Abbey,
and then that was it.
626
00:42:26,168 --> 00:42:28,712
I had to go to the airport.
We were racing to catch my flight.
627
00:42:28,796 --> 00:42:31,757
We were cutting it so close,
but I wanted to get back home to Archie.
628
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,468
Yeah. Back to Buckingham Palace, changed.
629
00:42:34,552 --> 00:42:38,222
Unpinned the hat.
Quickly took this green dress off.
630
00:42:40,724 --> 00:42:44,353
Threw on some clothes for the plane.
I was saying goodbye.
631
00:42:48,732 --> 00:42:50,150
Of course it was emotional.
632
00:42:58,492 --> 00:42:59,702
We get on the plane.
633
00:43:00,619 --> 00:43:04,665
And it's not the pilot, but whoever
is sort of overseeing the crew,
634
00:43:05,457 --> 00:43:10,129
and he came and he knelt next to my seat
and he took his hat off,
635
00:43:11,380 --> 00:43:13,257
and I just remember looking at him,
and he goes,
636
00:43:13,757 --> 00:43:16,427
"We appreciate everything
you did for our country."
637
00:43:20,139 --> 00:43:23,183
And it was the first time
that I felt like someone
638
00:43:25,060 --> 00:43:27,187
saw the sacrifice.
639
00:43:29,607 --> 00:43:30,983
Not for my own country.
640
00:43:33,235 --> 00:43:35,738
For this country, that's not mine.
641
00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:42,036
We landed in Canada
and one of our security guards,
642
00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:45,456
who had been with H for so long,
and these guys were so wonderful,
643
00:43:45,539 --> 00:43:48,709
I just collapsed in his arms, crying.
644
00:43:49,501 --> 00:43:51,003
I was like, "I tried so hard."
645
00:43:51,086 --> 00:43:54,381
He goes, "I know you did.
I know you did, ma'am, I know you did."
646
00:43:55,591 --> 00:43:57,635
Like, I tried so hard.
647
00:44:02,056 --> 00:44:04,558
And that's the piece
that's so triggering, 'cause you go,
648
00:44:04,642 --> 00:44:06,352
"And it still wasn't good enough.
649
00:44:07,811 --> 00:44:09,229
And you still don't fit in."
650
00:44:24,203 --> 00:44:26,413
It was impossible
not to feel emotional investment
651
00:44:26,497 --> 00:44:31,293
as a Black British person
watching Meghan enter this institution,
652
00:44:31,377 --> 00:44:33,003
uh, and become this icon,
653
00:44:34,088 --> 00:44:38,175
this figure that we all had
these high hopes for.
654
00:44:40,052 --> 00:44:45,766
Part of what made the inability
of the palace to defend Meghan
655
00:44:45,849 --> 00:44:47,643
an even bigger disaster
656
00:44:47,726 --> 00:44:51,730
is at the center
of the argument for the monarchy
657
00:44:51,814 --> 00:44:53,524
in this country is the Commonwealth.
658
00:44:54,608 --> 00:44:59,363
The Commonwealth is 2.5 billion,
mainly Black and brown people.
659
00:45:00,114 --> 00:45:05,160
Here was a woman who just looked like
most of the people in the Commonwealth,
660
00:45:05,828 --> 00:45:09,456
and they somehow, for some reason,
661
00:45:09,540 --> 00:45:14,128
couldn't find the capacity to protect her,
662
00:45:14,211 --> 00:45:17,214
to represent her, to stand by her,
663
00:45:17,297 --> 00:45:21,844
to take on vested power in her name,
to fight for her.
664
00:45:26,682 --> 00:45:30,144
One of the big questions
facing modern Britain is
665
00:45:30,769 --> 00:45:33,605
"What do we choose
our symbols and institutions to be?
666
00:45:35,816 --> 00:45:40,028
And are they inclusive? Or are they
continuing that history of exclusion?"
667
00:45:40,112 --> 00:45:44,241
And when a member of the royal family
visits one of these countries,
668
00:45:45,075 --> 00:45:48,328
it creates an awkward
moment for the British government.
669
00:45:48,412 --> 00:45:50,038
Sending a shout out
670
00:45:50,581 --> 00:45:52,958
to the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
671
00:45:53,041 --> 00:45:55,544
and the entire royal family
672
00:45:55,627 --> 00:45:58,672
that reparation time comes now.
673
00:46:04,887 --> 00:46:07,681
There's a tipping point,
a generational change,
674
00:46:07,765 --> 00:46:12,060
and a moment in which
events are sort of coalescing.
675
00:46:12,644 --> 00:46:15,647
…from this day and forever,
676
00:46:15,731 --> 00:46:20,360
declare Barbados a parliamentary republic.
677
00:46:20,861 --> 00:46:23,614
In 2021,
Barbados made the decision
678
00:46:23,697 --> 00:46:26,450
to replace the Queen as the head of state.
679
00:46:26,533 --> 00:46:30,537
That makes it more likely
that other nations will follow.
680
00:46:31,622 --> 00:46:34,708
There are renewed calls
this evening for Jamaica to take steps
681
00:46:34,792 --> 00:46:37,044
to remove the Queen as head of state.
682
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,130
Anyone inside that system,
whether it's my family,
683
00:46:40,214 --> 00:46:43,133
whether it's staff,
whether it's PR, whoever it is,
684
00:46:43,675 --> 00:46:48,096
have already missed
an enormous opportunity with my wife,
685
00:46:49,014 --> 00:46:51,558
and how far that would go globally.
686
00:46:59,483 --> 00:47:02,277
Their relationship presented
the idea that Britain can change,
687
00:47:02,361 --> 00:47:08,158
that the most intractable, traditional
parts of Britain can reform and evolve.
688
00:47:11,370 --> 00:47:14,748
Their departure felt
like the death of a dream.
689
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,845
Um, hi. So we're here on,
690
00:47:29,137 --> 00:47:31,014
uh, Tues… Wednesday.
691
00:47:31,557 --> 00:47:33,308
Wednesday, the something of March.
692
00:47:33,392 --> 00:47:37,187
These next few months is when
we're gonna be at our most vulnerable.
693
00:47:37,271 --> 00:47:40,732
Uh, when the press will no doubt
create some sort of feeding frenzy.
694
00:47:42,526 --> 00:47:46,488
The Duke of Sussex stepping
off his plane as you can see there.
695
00:47:46,572 --> 00:47:49,616
Clearly a number of questions
still to be answered.
696
00:47:50,367 --> 00:47:53,495
Will they still get
royal protection when they live overseas?
697
00:47:54,413 --> 00:47:57,457
By the time that I got back
from the UK after that March trip,
698
00:47:57,541 --> 00:47:59,543
the whole place was completely surrounded.
699
00:48:00,669 --> 00:48:03,046
Boats in the water, cars on the drive,
700
00:48:03,964 --> 00:48:07,968
individuals trying to jump over the fence
and take photographs over the wall.
701
00:48:08,051 --> 00:48:11,638
It was… Yeah, it was…
I'd never experienced that before.
702
00:48:12,347 --> 00:48:14,516
I've just been,
I've just seen this bloke.
703
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,018
He looked at me as I drove in.
704
00:48:16,768 --> 00:48:19,396
M asked me,
"Would they remove our security?"
705
00:48:19,479 --> 00:48:22,399
I said, "They'll never do that."
Meghan's background, her heritage,
706
00:48:22,482 --> 00:48:24,902
the well-documented
hate campaigns against us,
707
00:48:24,985 --> 00:48:28,155
suspicious packages
being sent to the palaces,
708
00:48:28,238 --> 00:48:30,365
specifically with her name on
or my name on.
709
00:48:31,074 --> 00:48:34,077
She said, "Do you think they'll do it?"
I said, "No, they would never do that."
710
00:48:34,578 --> 00:48:35,412
And they did it.
711
00:48:37,789 --> 00:48:40,667
They've decided our security
will be removed on 31st March,
712
00:48:40,751 --> 00:48:45,213
thereby leaving me less than three weeks,
um, to find security for my family.
713
00:48:45,297 --> 00:48:50,010
And I'm worried. I am genuinely concerned,
um, for the safety of my family.
714
00:48:51,637 --> 00:48:55,140
And then, just like that,
this thing called COVID.
715
00:48:55,223 --> 00:48:57,851
Officials now say
more than 400 people have been sickened…
716
00:48:57,935 --> 00:48:59,978
And at that moment,
our location was exposed.
717
00:49:00,062 --> 00:49:02,105
We knew our security was being pulled.
718
00:49:02,189 --> 00:49:05,776
Everyone in the world knew where we were,
so we weren't gonna be safe there.
719
00:49:05,859 --> 00:49:07,235
The AP is now reporting
720
00:49:07,319 --> 00:49:10,530
Canadian Prime Minister
Justin Trudeau's wife, Sophie,
721
00:49:11,156 --> 00:49:13,617
has tested positive for Coronavirus.
722
00:49:13,700 --> 00:49:15,285
They're gonna close the border.
723
00:49:16,078 --> 00:49:19,039
Without question,
they're gonna close the border in no time.
724
00:49:20,666 --> 00:49:21,750
Stay, stay.
725
00:49:23,919 --> 00:49:28,215
There comes a point
when you're worried about what,
726
00:49:28,298 --> 00:49:30,050
what could happen next,
727
00:49:30,133 --> 00:49:33,971
and therefore, you've got to do what
I guess any husband and father would do,
728
00:49:34,054 --> 00:49:35,639
which is get the hell out of there.