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The winner to organize
the 2022 FIFA World Cup is…
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-Qatar!
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The United States today lost out
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on its bid for hosting the World Cup,
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the biggest sporting event in the world.
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The desert emirate of Qatar
beat out Australia, Japan,
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South Korea, and the United States.
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President Obama says
it was the wrong decision
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for the organizing body
to pick Qatar over the US.
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The world was shocked
that Qatar 2022 had won,
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but how did they win?
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I mean, how did this happen?
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Average high in June and July
when the event will be held, 106 degrees!
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It wasn't expected
against the likes of the USA and Japan,
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and the technical report around the bid
had been really quite negative.
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Qatar had been rated
"high risk."
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Deals behind the scenes settle everything.
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By a pretty wide margin,
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the best bid for the 2022 World Cup
was the US bid.
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I was shocked
and disappointed,
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but my immediate reaction was
that they had bought this.
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If FIFA's corrupt,
it should be exposed.
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And I think that this decision today
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is going to rumble on
for a very long time.
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The reasoning to go
to Qatar is very difficult to explain.
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For FIFA, it is a disaster, and it was…
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especially during the time when FIFA,
anyway, was in the focus for bribery.
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-Mr. Blatter?
-Mr. Blatter?
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And then the Executive Committee
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had not a better idea
than voting for Qatar.
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Therefore, I always say
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when you blame Qatar
for hosting the World Cup,
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you have to blame FIFA
because FIFA is the system.
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The system is FIFA.
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Why Qatar?
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Why go play in a country that is so hot,
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uh, or in a country
that's going to need to build stadiums?
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Why such a small country
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with a team
that is ranked so low globally?
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If you asked questions
about the working conditions,
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human rights, whether European fans
will be able to get there and so on…
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So, I was shocked, like everyone else.
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I don't think
they expected the world media
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and the world reaction
to be so against them.
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They received a very, very harsh backlash
after winning.
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When we won,
I was happy and euphoric,
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but very, very quickly, I… I suffered
a… a very serious bout of depression.
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It was a very vicious attack that came.
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The attack was coming on us.
The attack was coming on FIFA.
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Unprecedented attacks
coming from left, right, and center
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against us, the country.
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The descriptions
that were coming into play…
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It was very, very close
to being racist attacks.
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It was tough.
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First of all, on behalf of the millions
of people living in the Middle East,
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thank you.
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Thank you, FIFA, for believing
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that expanding the game to the Middle East
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and bringing it here
to our region, to our homes,
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is the right thing to do.
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We go to the Middle East.
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We go to the Arabic world.
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We go to the Islamic world.
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This is development of football,
and don't speak about money.
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This has nothing to do with money.
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I would say the first very strong decision
where the politics came in
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is for the World Cup in Qatar,
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and not what was my wish, uh,
to have the United States of America.
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As I was going in to vote for Qatar,
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Blatter comes up to me.
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"I want you to vote for the USA
and not Qatar."
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Do you think it's appropriate
for the president to stoop to that level?
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I didn't respond. He went off.
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I got the votes for Qatar, and Qatar won.
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Sepp was cornered completely
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by the big members of the FIFA ExCo.
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You have the, uh…
the head of the confederations.
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Issa Hayatou for the Africans.
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Michel Platini for UEFA.
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You have Jack Warner for the CONCACAF,
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and you have Dr. Leoz for the CONMEBOL.
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And Bin Hammam from Qatar.
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He is the chairman
of the Asian Football Confederation.
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They just aligned themselves with Qatar.
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There was three CONCACAF members
on the ExCo at the time,
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and it was assumed that all three of them
were gonna support the US bid.
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So, it comes as a tremendous shock
to Chuck Blazer
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to find out that Jack Warner,
his closest ally in FIFA,
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appears to have voted for Qatar.
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He felt betrayed.
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How can you not vote
for your own confederation?
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But these guys were old. They weren't
gonna be around for the next vote.
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So, if they did the double vote, they got
twice the money. It was payday for them.
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Doha's skyscrapers
signal the economic rise
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of Qatar's gas-rich capital city.
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And over the next decade,
they'll likely tower over another boom,
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fueled by football mania.
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Football in particular,
but sports in general,
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always played a very important part
in our culture, uh, in our ambitions,
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in, uh, utilizing it as a catalyst,
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as a vehicle to pushing forward,
uh, some of the nation's objectives.
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The Qataris
have created a sports industry.
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They've done basically
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what other countries
do organically over decades.
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They've made sports
part of national identity.
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With Qatar, you're talking about it being
part of an actual nation-building mission.
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They were looking to get out
of the shadow of Saudi Arabia,
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carve out a different character
for themselves,
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be a player on the world stage.
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They want to be seen
as a force for good in the world.
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They want to show that the Arab world
can host a tournament like this
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and bring people together.
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They were everywhere.
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They wanted to be seen
as the banker of sports in the world.
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There was nothing to be organized
without the support from Qatar.
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When the bids were opened
for 2018, 2022 in 2009,
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which meant there was
a significant lead-up
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and there was an opportunity open,
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that's when we decided
we have a shot, we have a chance.
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What makes us want to host the…
the World Cup is our belief in football.
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Bringing the World Cup
to Qatar will bring the World Cup
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to the Middle East for the first time.
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We were a young bid team.
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We had many people
that spoke many different languages,
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so we could communicate
with the football world,
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and we were humble.
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We knew that we were the underdogs.
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We knew that people did not see us
initially as serious contenders.
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During our stay in Doha,
we quickly noticed
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this was a government project,
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channeled through the World Cup,
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to put Qatar at the center of the world.
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It was a project of state.
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It wasn't a project
of the football federation.
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Honestly, I never thought Qatar would win.
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They don't have a football tradition.
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In the report,
they didn't have the best marks.
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They had to virtually rebuild the city,
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build all the stadiums.
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They didn't have a single stadium
which could host a match.
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And build hotels for tourists
and for the teams as well.
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But the insurmountable obstacle
was how to play in May, June, July.
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We did our reports.
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These were sent out.
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Any member of the ExCo could call me
and ask me to explain anything.
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No one called me.
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That's how I reached the conclusion
that not all of them had read it.
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If they didn't care that you
couldn't play in May, June, July,
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why would they care
about working conditions?
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It wasn't an issue.
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We were in Cape Town
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when FIFA hosted the FIFA Media Breakfast.
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All countries were there
and so all the media is there.
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And every bid had
exactly the same parameters,
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so we each had a booth.
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We had Arab media
that came to visit us, and that was it.
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No one came to our booth.
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They'd come pick up their freebies,
but that was it.
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And then right in the middle
of the whole thing walks in David Beckham.
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You'd think
there was an earthquake in the place.
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The media started pushing,
climbing on chairs, climbing on tables.
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Everybody was surrounding them.
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Sheikh Mohammed,
who was the director general
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of the Qatar 2022 bid,
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turned around to me that day and said,
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"Why didn't you get me
that media attention?"
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I was gobsmacked
because, I mean, this was David Beckham.
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Everyone in the world knows David Beckham.
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No one knows who in the world
this little prince is from this country.
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The team was extremely small.
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None of them had even gone
to a World Cup game in their life.
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None of them knew the FIFA politics.
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None of them had ever worked
in sports, even.
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Um, these were people
who had no knowledge of any of this.
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The only person
who had knowledge of FIFA politics
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was Mohamed Bin Hammam.
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Mohamed Bin Hammam was president
of the Asian Football Confederation.
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He was an ExCo member of FIFA,
one of the 24 members.
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He was one
of the most powerful men in football,
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and he was a Qatari citizen.
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He is not a person who is very outspoken.
He likes to be in the background.
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He likes to be the… the conductor.
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I didn't think that the size of Qatar,
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and the weather of Qatar,
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support any such, uh, ambition, you know?
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With Mohamed Bin Hammam, it took
a long while for him to come on board
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and be able to be convinced
and supportive of the bid.
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We knew that he would be able
to give us the tools and the means to win.
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To get the World Cup,
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you have to get ExCo members
to vote for you,
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so that's what their game plan was.
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He knows all 24.
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He can, one, help us meet all 24.
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Two, he can help us know
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what to do to get all 24 votes.
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Qatar had been able
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to sponsor the African Congress
of Football in Angola.
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The transformative point
for us for the bid was Angola,
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was the speech that I gave
to the CAF Congress in Angola.
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The message resonated
very, very powerfully.
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That was when I think a lot of people
started seeing us as serious candidates.
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It wasn't just the fact
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that we were able to convince
the three Executive Committee members.
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It was the fact
that the entire African confederation
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was buzzing about our bid.
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But it was Angola
that was the turning point.
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We were all staying
in the same hotel.
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And I was told to go help translate.
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So, I went. I talk French.
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We welcome into the suite, um,
at different times of the evening,
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different ExCo members.
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Hayatou, Anouma, and Adamu.
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And we were talking
about South Africa, you know,
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how Africa was being given its chance
to host the World Cup,
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and how the Arab world should be given
the chance to host the World Cup.
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And then Hassan offered Hayatou $1 million
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for the football federation,
Hayatou's football federation.
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And, you know,
in return, we wanted his vote,
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and… I remember there just being laughter.
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And then it was said,
"Well, that's not enough."
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And so the price was just upped
to 1.5 million, just like that.
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I know it sounds so simple,
but it was so simple.
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It was just, "We'll give you this money
for your football federation,
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and you give us your vote."
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And, "Thank you so much. See you later."
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And… one by one, we did the same thing
with Anouma and Adamu.
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So, $1.5 million was offered
to each ExCo member that evening
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in exchange for their vote.
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And was that
something that was the…
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The money was physical or was it verbal?
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It was verbal. I never saw money.
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That is something I never saw.
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And it was made very clear
that the money was going to football.
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It was never said,
"It's going into your pocket."
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I do need to emphasize that.
It was said it was going…
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Where it ended up, I have no idea.
I don't know.
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Before I went back to my hotel room,
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Hassan told me, "You never repeat this
ever again to anyone."
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And I was like, "Okay."
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I never forgot about it,
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but I never spoke about it again
for a long, long time.
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I knew my days were numbered,
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but in my eyes,
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I had never done anything
to deserve being fired.
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I was given three days
to leave the state of Qatar.
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I was not up to par with the game.
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Phaedra left in March 2010.
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And then in December 2010, after the vote,
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she had a conversation with a journalist
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from the English newspaper
The Sunday Times
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that was looking into what had happened
with the World Cup bidding.
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I spoke with Claire Newell,
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off the record, about what had happened,
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what I had witnessed.
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She wrote, I think, a short article,
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and that's when everything changed.
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I was nicknamed the Qatar whistleblower.
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There is no evidence.
We have asked for evidence.
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There is a principle in life,
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this is, you are innocent
until you are declared guilty.
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So stop, please, to say FIFA's corrupt.
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FIFA is not corrupt!
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Definitely not.
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Phaedra was exposed
as having made these allegations.
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And then, all of a sudden,
I'm starting to get threats.
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I'm starting to get anonymous calls,
emails, social media.
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I'm very, uh, scared.
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And… and…
and who are you scared of?
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All those I've upset by speaking out.
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And those who have tried
over and over again to silence me.
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I was basically told,
"Either you're going to sign an affidavit,
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um, stating that you lied,
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or else we will legally come after you."
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I'd love to get
your reaction about Angola
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and Phaedra's allegations.
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And the other was
the Sunday Times headline,
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"Qatar bought the World Cup."
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But what I'd like to know actually
is initially your reaction
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when you see those.
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Hmm.
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Look, my… my reaction is, you know,
especially on… on the Phaedra situation,
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it's… well, actually,
both of them, it's frustration.
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It's frustration
because they're inherently false.
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And there are facts on the ground
that prove they're false.
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I do believe that they conducted
some business at a global level
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with people to help secure their votes.
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I don't think anybody had ever done
anything at that scale before.
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Whether you call that corrupt or not,
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I mean, that's just the way
international business gets done.
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A FIFA World Cup in Qatar would provide
unrivaled commercial opportunities.
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There were some big deals
that were done at a governmental level,
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like the story of a big gas deal
between Qatar and Thailand
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because there's a Thai representative
on the ExCo.
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The suggestion that
it was linked to winning favor
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is completely denied by everyone involved.
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And another FIFA ExCo voting member,
Marios Lefkaritis,
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sold some land to Qatar
for 32 million euros.
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He's always said that
that had nothing to do with his vote.
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The Emir of Qatar came to Brazil.
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He stayed for a while
and even visited President Lula,
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who was also in favor of Qatar.
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We held a lunch here in Rio de Janeiro.
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Present at the lunch was
the Emir of Qatar, Dr. Havelange, myself.
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There were eight or nine of us.
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That was when we decided
we would support Qatar.
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I have received favors, exchanged favors.
That's normal.
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But I have never been bribed
to do anything in my life.
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It was only
weeks before the vote
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that the UEFA president, Michel Platini,
who's very influential
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in terms of who the European delegates
on the ExCo will vote for,
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goes to a lunch with the President
of France, Nicolas Sarkozy,
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and the son of the Emir of Qatar
at the Élysée Palace in Paris.
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He was surprised to
see a whole Qatari delegation was there,
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and Platini was not forewarned.
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So, his version was
that he received a "subliminal message,"
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these are his words,
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from Sarkozy, telling him
it would be better if he voted for Qatar
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rather than the USA,
for the best interests of France.
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Platini fell into a trap set by Sarkozy.
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Sarkozy used Platini
to say to the Qataris,
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"Look, I have Platini in my pocket."
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"France will vote for you,
for the World Cup,"
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which was huge for the Qataris.
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Okay, I'll tell you
how it happened.
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As I understood it, France would be happy
if I voted for Qatar.
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I understood that,
but no one ever asked me anything.
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Nicolas Sarkozy never asked you
to vote for Qatar?
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No. Maybe that's why
he sold my vote to Qatar.
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Maybe he knew I would vote for Qatar.
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And so he sold my vote,
for the sake of France, to Qatar,
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in order to…
in order to obtain many things.
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It's absolutely remarkable
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what happened
after Platini votes for Qatar.
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The Qataris' estate fund
buys Paris Saint-Germain,
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the main football club of Paris,
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and injects who knows
how much money into it.
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beIN Sports,
which is the Qatari broadcaster,
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bought the TV rights
for French football for huge money.
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On top of that,
there are very big trade deals
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that happen between Qatar and France,
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including the Qataris buying
a lot of French Airbus airplanes.
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The decisions that lead
to the World Cup going to Qatar
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are happening in the very,
very highest levels of politics,
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but any impropriety
is completely denied by the Qataris.
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Buying the World Cup,
paying off ExCo members.
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You know the allegations.
You know what they are.
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The geopolitical deals
that were done between Thailand,
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between Russia,
between Qatar, between Sarkozy.
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What… what geopolitical deals?
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These are
what the allegations--
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What? I'm gonna ask you, what?
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Okay, gas, um…
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Gas deals between whom and whom?
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-Between Thailand and Qatar.
-The facts are on the ground.
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The facts are on the ground.
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Some things are, you know, uh,
some things are extremely unrealistic.
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This is our natural resource. This is
something we're building our future on.
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It's not gonna be utilized
for the sake of a vote for a World Cup.
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It feeds into the stereotype
of Arab sheikhs throwing money around.
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This is why this World Cup is important
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because we need
to break down a stereotype.
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We abided by the rules.
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We abided by our moral values.
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We won on the merits of our bid.
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We won on the merits of the vision
and the fact that this is the time
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for the first World Cup in the Arab world,
in the Muslim world, to come.
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- Qatar!
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When it was announced,
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you'll see everybody else
euphoric and shouting,
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and you'll find me standing statue-still
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'cause I couldn't see Sepp Blatter
from where I was sitting.
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I was just standing still
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until I heard my team screaming,
"Yes, we did it, we did it."
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In the Arab world
was a huge celebration.
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In Asia, there was a huge celebration.
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But what is not making me
feel comfortable is what Blatter is doing.
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You know, he… he put us in his mind
to… to eliminate Qatar.
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This is actually what, uh…
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uh, what doesn't make me comfortable.
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Will he or won't he?
That's the question we're here to answer.
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The person we're talking about
is Mohamed Bin Hammam.
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He supposedly is, uh, thinking
about challenging Sepp Blatter
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for the FIFA presidency.
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I'm actually known
as a Blatter supporter.
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Definitely I was
an honest advisor for him,
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and I will say, yes,
I have contributed to his success.
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Mohamed Bin Hammam
considered Blatter as his friend,
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and he was absolutely loyal to Blatter,
but it was a one-way street.
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Blatter promised
after the '98 election
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that he will stay only for two terms.
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This was deleted,
and then Blatter stayed for a third term,
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and then Bin Hammam was upset
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because he didn't accept
that Blatter didn't keep his promise.
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I thought that Blatter
would not be interested in 2011.
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The president has to have a limit,
a maximum by three terms.
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So, I felt this is not good
for the football.
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Not good for the game.
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But there was always supposed to be
a second candidate.
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For Blatter, it was a shock that
Bin Hammam brought the World Cup to Qatar.
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This was a total surprise.
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For the first time ever,
he saw his limits of power.
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If there was a person here
who had more power than himself,
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at least in one special event,
this was Mohamed Bin Hammam.
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I think
Bin Hammam is an independent man.
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He's had his time with Sepp Blatter.
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I think he, like most of us,
has had enough of Sepp Blatter,
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thinks Sepp has single-handedly ruined
the good name of FIFA,
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and he understands
that somebody's got to come in.
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But I think
Blatter couldn't control his ambitions.
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He was the real Machiavelli of… of sports.
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After 13 years,
Sepp Blatter is well-used
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to the trappings of presidential power.
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During that time, he's received honors
and accolades all around the world.
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But not everyone would applaud
the way he runs FIFA.
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I wanted
to maintain my position.
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I couldn't abandon…
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…all my years
in development of football
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and all my years as secretary general
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and as president.
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Blatter insisted
on loyalty for everyone,
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but the problem of him was that he was
not loyal to all his political supporters
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during all the years,
to Mohamed Bin Hammam, for example.
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In 2009,
there was election in Asia
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for the FIFA seat, which I am occupying.
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There is another candidate,
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and I was very much surprised
to see that Blatter took his side.
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For me, it was quite strange.
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I am supposedly his friend.
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He thought that I am a danger for him,
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and he wanted to remove me from FIFA.
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So, I just…
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said that I will not make him
comfortable in his life.
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Sepp Blatter,
the man who runs world football,
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is facing his first challenge
for the presidency of FIFA in nine years.
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Mohamed Bin Hammam has told the BBC
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that it's time for greater transparency
in the way the game is run.
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Mr. Bin Hammam is head
of the Asian Football Confederation.
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To take on Sepp Blatter is huge.
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I frankly didn't think it was possible
for anybody to topple him
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because he was so well-seated.
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Sepp Blatter has used
the billions of pounds
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generated by the World Cup
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to shore up his power base.
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He won't walk away
from his cherished prize without a fight.
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I wanted to see
the Caribbeans in Miami,
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and I couldn't get a visa.
447
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,480
There is no reason
for the authorities to say,
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"No, we are not going to give you a visa."
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I am presuming that there is somebody
who doesn't want me to go to the States
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to address the… the Caribbeans.
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00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:46,640
It was a tense few days.
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There was a presidential election
going on.
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Mr. Bin Hammam wasn't there,
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and Mr. Blatter was there.
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CONCACAF, at the time, was run by a guy
named Jack Warner, who was president.
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The general secretary was a gentleman
named Chuck Blazer, who was American.
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And then on stage at the congress,
Mr. Blatter, off the cuff,
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does a development grant
for a million dollars for CONCACAF.
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It was about as blatant
as one could be in terms of, you know,
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"Let me give you a gift
for your region, Mr. Warner,
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in front of all your members,"
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thirty or sixty days
or whatever it was before an election.
463
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I was not happy about this.
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I am a candidate.
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I want to see the people.
I have to speak to the people.
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So, I said, "Mr. Warner,
give me another opportunity."
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Then they… they organized
this, uh, congress in Port of Spain.
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All the Caribbean
Football Union countries
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were invited to the Hyatt Regency Hotel
in Port of Spain in Trinidad,
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which is obviously
the power base of Jack Warner.
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Jack Warner himself had a travel company
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and was paid $363,000
to organize the travel for the event.
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Chuck Blazer had not thought
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it was a good idea
for Warner to hold this event.
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00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,400
He shouldn't have this breakout thing
just for the Caribbean,
476
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,600
and they should run it,
at least publicly, above board.
477
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,520
There were quite a few attempts
at him trying to stop it,
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but Chuck didn't scare him.
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Should have scared him, but he didn't.
480
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,040
I obviously knew about Jack Warner.
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Jack Warner,
as the confederation president,
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he offered an opportunity to Bin Hammam.
483
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:57,080
And we obviously went there
to listen to what he had to offer.
484
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,320
On the first day,
Bin Hammam did his presentation.
485
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:14,320
And something strange happened
after Bin Hammam spoke.
486
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:20,880
We were told about a gift
to help the federations.
487
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:28,120
They invited us to a place
to pick up the gift.
488
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,320
I waited my turn,
and I went into the room,
489
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,040
and there were
some officials from the CFU.
490
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,800
They handed me
an envelope marked "Puerto Rico."
491
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:47,320
And when I opened the envelope,
there was money in cash.
492
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,960
The sum of $40,000 in cash.
493
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,560
I immediately said, "What's this for?"
494
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,800
"This is for you to use
for whatever you want within football."
495
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,520
They obviously gave
that sum of money to everyone.
496
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,200
Had I been told,
497
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,520
"This is in exchange for a vote,"
I would have said, "I won't take it!"
498
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:17,960
In fact, I returned the money.
499
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,040
Sadly, most of them took the money,
500
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,760
but there were
three or four notable exceptions
501
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,040
who refused to take the money
502
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,760
and reported it,
503
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,120
and that had
very far-reaching ramifications.
504
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:44,920
Within a few hours, news of these bags,
these literal envelopes stuffed with cash,
505
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,680
makes it to Blazer, who's in New York.
506
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,040
This put Chuck Blazer
in a really uncomfortable position.
507
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,200
He'd worked with Jack Warner
for almost 20 years.
508
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,480
So, we're watching a friendship unravel.
509
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,960
He had told Warner repeatedly
not to hold this conference in Trinidad,
510
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,280
and he refused to do it.
511
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,120
Now this is happening.
512
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,160
Now, like, the most blatant corruption
513
00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:11,440
he's ever seen
in all his years in football
514
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,400
is happening right under their noses.
515
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,280
They're handing out stacks of cash.
516
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,880
Warner had become increasingly
a bit of a public embarrassment to Blazer
517
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,240
and to football in general,
and so Blazer decides to turn Warner in.
518
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:25,800
He's gonna report Warner
519
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,800
to the high-level officials
at FIFA in Zurich.
520
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:35,040
The day he had to make the call
to talk about the cash in the envelopes,
521
00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:38,920
right before he picked up the phone,
he looked at me and he said,
522
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,440
"This will not end well."
523
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,760
I remember
when I got called by Chuck Blazer,
524
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,480
telling me that something happened
in the Caribbean.
525
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,560
And Chuck Blazer sent me these pictures.
526
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,280
I went to Blatter, saying, "I, uh,
I have been called by Chuck Blazer,
527
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,240
and he told me that this and that happen,"
528
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:03,240
and I call the president
of the Ethics Committee.
529
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,240
I told him, "You should come to Zurich
immediately by train."
530
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,680
It was a Sunday. "We should meet
because we have a… a big problem."
531
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,720
There are
many strange things there.
532
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,960
Mohamed Bin Hammam fell into a trap.
The other thing is, why did he do so?
533
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,920
Obviously, Bin Hammam was convinced
that he should do some favors
534
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,720
to the members
of the Caribbean Football Union.
535
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,480
And he did it, and he fell into the trap.
536
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:36,600
There was no bad intention of me
to… to bribe people, you know.
537
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,760
It's again,
you know, a conspiracy.
538
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,400
Don't forget that I am fighting FIFA,
with all their resources.
539
00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:49,360
So, definitely they can build a story
540
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,800
a thousand times more
than I can build a story.
541
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,760
Today, we saw an announcement
from FIFA's Ethics Commission
542
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,960
that they're investigating
claims of corruption
543
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,640
that involved Jack Warner
544
00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:05,000
and FIFA president candidate
Mohamed Bin Hammam.
545
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,880
Have you ever tried
to buy votes?
546
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,960
Uh, I have never intended to do so,
all my life.
547
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,960
Did… did…
did you ever give any money
548
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,880
to those officials in the Caribbean?
549
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,080
No, nobody, nobody.
550
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:23,240
Nobody can claim that he see me anywhere,
you know, doing this.
551
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:28,600
I want to say again, Mr. Bin Hammam
never, to the best of my knowledge,
552
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,320
gave any money
to the countries in the Caribbean.
553
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,040
Jack, at that point,
was so full of himself.
554
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,520
He thought he was, you know,
immune to any kind of prosecution.
555
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,880
There's a very telling
little episode
556
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,000
after the handing out
of the cash in Trinidad,
557
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,720
and it's captured on film.
558
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,480
There are some people here
who believe they're more pious than thou.
559
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,960
If you're pious, open a church, friend.
560
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,720
But the fact is,
our business is our business.
561
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:06,880
So, I'm making the point here, folks,
that it was given to you because he said
562
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,960
he could not bring the… the silver tray
and silver trinkets and so on.
563
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,400
So, I said, "Forget all of that."
564
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,720
"Put a value on it
and give it to the countries."
565
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,840
And the gift you get
is for you to determine
566
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,640
how best you want to use it
567
00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:24,240
for development of football
in your country.
568
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,760
And if there is anybody here
who has a conscience
569
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,280
and wishes to send back the money,
570
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,720
I am willing to take it
and give it back to him.
571
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,120
But don't go and talk of this outside
and believe that you're pious,
572
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,800
and you're holy
and you're better than anybody else.
573
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,800
And I hope… I hope that's very clear.
574
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,360
What's the future
for Jack Warner in CONCACAF?
575
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,720
For me,
based on the evidence that I've seen,
576
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,160
I don't think there is one.
577
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,760
And how about your personal
relationship with Jack Warner?
578
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,200
It's obviously been broken.
579
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,360
Okay, so do you think
he feels a sense of betrayal?
580
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,800
Um, I… I feel betrayed,
uh, based on what he…
581
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,520
The… the risk and danger
he put our members to,
582
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,040
to expose them to this sort of situation
583
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:11,240
where, uh, they were in jeopardy
by accepting, uh, the gifts,
584
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,200
I think is, uh, unconscionable.
585
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,680
Arriving for a press conference today,
586
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:22,040
the FIFA president was desperate
to try and move on from the crisis.
587
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:23,320
Crisis?
588
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:24,880
What is a crisis?
589
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,720
We are not in a crisis.
590
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,960
We are only in some difficulties,
and these difficulties will be solved,
591
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,280
will be solved inside our family.
592
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,680
But he still found himself
dealing with explosive allegations,
593
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,640
this time about Qatar's bid
for the 2022 World Cup.
594
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,040
It's obvious that things
are going very bad for the Qataris.
595
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,200
They were scared
that they were gonna lose the bid
596
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,640
because of both my allegations
that were out there
597
00:39:56,720 --> 00:40:00,240
and Mohamed Bin Hammam and his story.
598
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:06,320
Blatter said
a lot of wrongdoing took place
599
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,280
during the World Cup, uh, bidding,
600
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,520
and Bin Hammam is, uh, involved.
601
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,200
He did a lot of things to damage me,
to damage my reputation.
602
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,320
He has no border, actually.
603
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:27,240
Sepp Blatter, being
one of the great political minds in sport,
604
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,040
sees in this scandal
coming out of Port of Spain, Trinidad
605
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,240
an opportunity to get rid of his rival.
606
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:39,040
It's really a drama, how people
are built up and then they fall.
607
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,480
They made a misjudgment on Blatter,
608
00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:47,200
who brought them in as friends
and dropped them as enemies.
609
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,640
He wanted to get rid of rivals, you know,
610
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,960
and the only one
who took the challenge was Bin Hammam.
611
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,600
But Blatter had to find a way out,
and, uh, he made a deal.
612
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,280
One day, Sheikh Jassim,
the son of the emir, came to FIFA.
613
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,280
Bin Hammam also came to FIFA.
614
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,040
It was three days before the election.
615
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:17,720
Sheikh Jassim and Bin Hammam
spoke and spoke.
616
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,080
I don't understand Arabic,
617
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,840
but then Prince Jassim said,
618
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,400
"No, we will speak in English,
619
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:30,000
uh, because we wanted Mr. Blatter
he knows our conversation."
620
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,040
And he said, you know,
621
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,440
that the emir had said that,
622
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,880
"You shall not contest Mr. Blatter."
623
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,680
"We will support Mr. Blatter
for the election 2011."
624
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:54,800
So, uh, Qatar would withdraw
the candidature of Bin Hammam,
625
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:59,480
and Blatter would not anymore speak
about the way Qatar won the election
626
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,160
to become host country
of the World Cup 2022.
627
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,480
I know
that Blatter will be able to harm us.
628
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,400
He has so many tricks.
629
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,240
I'm not going to jeopardize…
I know Blatter can do it.
630
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:17,480
So, from my side, I said,
"Well, I think I'm… I am done."
631
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,160
And, yes, I mean,
these people definitely, you know,
632
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:24,840
they… they harm me the… the maximum.
633
00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:31,200
Sepp Blatter has been re-elected
FIFA president
634
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,520
after a major bribery scandal left him
635
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,800
as the only candidate
to deal with a sporting crisis.
636
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,160
Blatter won another four-year term
as head of soccer's governing body
637
00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:44,680
after receiving 186 of 203 votes.
638
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:49,200
The 75-year-old Swiss executive
has been in office since 1998.
639
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,240
Former challenger
Mohamed Bin Hammam has been suspended
640
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,000
over allegations of bribery.
641
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:02,240
Vice president Jack Warner has
also been suspended over bribery claims,
642
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:06,960
but says more damaging revelations
for FIFA are about to emerge.
643
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,120
I said before,
FIFA will feel a tsunami coming.
644
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,360
Trust me. You haven't seen it yet.
645
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,440
Because, at the end of the day,
Blatter has to be stopped.
646
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,760
Sepp Blatter himself
has been cleared of wrongdoing,
647
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,440
but this afternoon,
can expect some tough questions
648
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:23,680
at a press conference.
649
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,880
He may survive this scandal,
but FIFA's reputation has not.
650
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,400
One person I know
who benefited from this was Chuck Blazer.
651
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,560
Warner is now out of football,
Bin Hammam is out of football,
652
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,200
and Chuck Blazer,
653
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,320
in what is one of the most astoundingly
upside-down moments in the whole story,
654
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:46,600
is hailed as a hero.
655
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,320
And news reports
around the world are talking
656
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:53,280
about how Blazer's a whistleblower
and someone who's there to save the game.
657
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,440
Fair play to Chuck Blazer
because I'll tell you what,
658
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,200
for doing that, he's gotta be
squeaky clean, which is good.
659
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,000
I'm not saying that he wasn't,
but it takes a lot of courage to do that.
660
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,320
Chuck is not a whistleblower.
661
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:12,920
Whistleblower is somebody
who looks around and says,
662
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,680
"I don't wanna be a part
of what's going wrong here,"
663
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,120
and lets folks know what's going wrong.
664
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,880
Not somebody who was
an engineer of what's wrong,
665
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:28,440
who benefited primarily
from what's wrong for decades.
666
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:47,240
CONCACAF was located at 56th and 5th
in New York City. That's Trump Tower.
667
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,160
We sat on the 17th floor,
668
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,720
and Chuck lived on the residential side,
and he was on the 49th floor.
669
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:01,040
I think Chuck was motivated
by maintaining a lifestyle
670
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,880
that FIFA and CONCACAF afforded him.
671
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,800
Every endeavor at CONCACAF
has to begin and end
672
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,880
with making Chuck, personally, some money.
673
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,560
Chuck was taking a minimum of 10%
674
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,320
and sometimes more to himself
with every deal.
675
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,000
It was abundantly clear
that Blazer had profited
676
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,680
in all kinds of unsavory manners
from the sport.
677
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,000
To me, it's illustrative not just of him,
678
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:37,160
but in general, the attitude that these
high-level corrupt FIFA officials had,
679
00:45:37,240 --> 00:45:39,560
which was that they were untouchable.
680
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,400
They didn't have the slightest idea
anyone would ever come after them.
681
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,280
It didn't enter their mind
that that was even remotely possible.
682
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,800
So, my experience, uh,
in the FBI, in the New York office,
683
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,200
is that of, uh, organized crime.
684
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,800
At the time, this was back in 2010,
685
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:10,600
we were being mandated
to broaden our reach,
686
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:15,760
look for international crime
that was affecting us here in the States.
687
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,880
At the same time,
there were some English journalists
688
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,960
who were raising the issue again
of FIFA corruption,
689
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,600
notably the late Andrew Jennings,
690
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,040
a veteran campaigning journalist,
691
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:34,960
trying to expose FIFA corruption.
692
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:40,120
President Blatter, I must ask you,
are you a fit and proper person
693
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,200
to control world football?
694
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,640
-Hello again.
-Leave me alone.
695
00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:46,800
-Can I ask you how much--
-Leave me alone.
696
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,960
Please don't do that. Can I ask you
how much money you're ma--
697
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,440
-Leave me alone!
-Please, do something for us now.
698
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:53,920
Please don't do that.
699
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:58,600
Jack Warner, a long-standing executive
at FIFA, football's world governing body,
700
00:46:58,680 --> 00:46:59,560
has resigned.
701
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,880
He was suspended a month ago
following allegations of corruption.
702
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,440
FIFA said that,
as a result of his resignation,
703
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,600
the investigation
into Mr. Warner's conduct had been closed,
704
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,360
and he was presumed to be innocent.
705
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,520
Jack Warner, in disgrace
after the Port of Spain bribery incident,
706
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,160
resigns before he could be thrown
out of football,
707
00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:22,840
and he promises the FIFA officials
he's gonna unleash a tsunami on them.
708
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:28,960
And damaging information about Blazer
begins leaking to Andrew Jennings.
709
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:30,800
Documents that show
710
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,480
that Blazer has all kinds of nice things
he shouldn't have,
711
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,360
like apartments in Miami and the Bahamas,
712
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,360
and a beautiful Mercedes in Zurich,
713
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,720
and that he has
all these incredible assets
714
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,680
and yet no clear sense
of where this money is coming from.
715
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,760
There were checks that Blazer
has deposited into overseas accounts.
716
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,280
All this stuff ends up
in a series of articles
717
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,320
that Jennings writes over the summer.
718
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,320
I had a bunch
of different Google alerts
719
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:01,800
for a corruption project I had.
720
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:03,880
And I got one, one morning,
721
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,440
and it was from an article
722
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,240
by, uh, the English journalist
Andrew Jennings.
723
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:12,840
I think it resonated with me
just because of what football is to me,
724
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,680
growing up around it,
what it is in my heart.
725
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,200
And there… there were allegations
in these Andrew Jennings articles
726
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,080
about offshore accounts and Chuck Blazer.
727
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,920
So, I started looking at his background.
728
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:31,280
With an individual present
in our own backyard, in New York City,
729
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,480
with information
that seemed to be credible,
730
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:40,200
we think we're able to, uh,
to start and begin an investigation.
731
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,840
If there's a crime here,
a case to be made,
732
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,920
it's gonna come down
to whether, um, there is some aspect to it
733
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,680
that really intersects
with the United States.
734
00:48:55,720 --> 00:48:59,200
What we came to learn over time
was that there was a lot
735
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:03,160
and that was
through the US financial system.
736
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,080
I thought
the best way was to trace money,
737
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:12,000
follow the money through
the various wire transfer aspects
738
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:13,640
of how money moves around the world.
739
00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:18,560
Say you're gonna move money
from a bank account in Switzerland
740
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,360
to a bank account in the Cayman Islands.
741
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,080
That wire transfer doesn't go
742
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,400
right from Switzerland
to the Cayman Islands.
743
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,760
They have to have
a correspondent bank in the United States.
744
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:34,560
And one of the first subpoenas
that we did issue was the FIFA bank,
745
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,360
the UBS in Switzerland?
746
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,240
Well, they have
a correspondent bank in the United States.
747
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,440
So, we got the records
748
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,880
of basically all the wire transfers
going in and out of FIFA.
749
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,440
You know, you may have
one thread of one business name,
750
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:55,800
and it just starts going out
like a… like a spiderweb of leads.
751
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,520
They used code names.
752
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:05,000
They used so many different bank accounts
in offshore jurisdictions
753
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:09,960
to move the money from point A to point B
to point C to point D to point E…
754
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:11,240
It was just dizzying.
755
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:17,200
But as we went along,
we didn't know what the payments were for.
756
00:50:19,240 --> 00:50:23,080
I knew from the time
that I had spent doing Mafia cases
757
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,360
that there's nothing
like a cooperating witness
758
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:30,200
in a… in… in a conspiracy case,
in something that's complex,
759
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,400
to be able to just explain it all.
760
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,000
The next major moment
is when Steve Berryman does something
761
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:45,680
that IRS agents are able to do, which is
he pulls Chuck Blazer's tax returns,
762
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,880
and he can reveal what is
sort of the, um, the ace in the hole
763
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,880
that he's got tucked up his sleeve,
764
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,800
and that is there are no tax returns.
765
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:59,520
Turns out that Blazer had never even
filed taxes for at least 15 years.
766
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,480
And now they have Blazer
right in their sights.
767
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,640
It's pretty much an open-and-shut case.
768
00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:10,240
They can get him
on those tax charges, no question.
769
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,400
Then the question is,
"What do we wanna do with him?"
770
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,040
"Do we just wanna bust Chuck Blazer
and put him away?"
771
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,800
"No, we don't. We want him
because we want an informant."
772
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,240
And so the decision is made
to approach him
773
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,840
and kind of make him an offer
he can't refuse.
774
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,520
A lot weighed
on the success of this approach.
775
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,120
It was much bigger than Chuck.
776
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:36,280
Chuck was going to be a first step
towards a much wider investigation.
777
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,000
We'd just pulled
out of Trump Tower
778
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:48,840
heading to Uncle Jack's Steakhouse,
779
00:51:49,720 --> 00:51:51,280
and Chuck said,
780
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,560
"Mary Lynn,
go on to the steakhouse with Al."
781
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,040
That was our friend who was with us.
782
00:51:57,240 --> 00:52:02,280
And he got out of the van that he was in
and got on his little motor scooter.
783
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,200
In between the Trump Tower
and another building behind it,
784
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:11,280
there's kind of an atrium, and he just
wheeled himself right up to the table.
785
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:17,160
He recognized quickly
the, uh, the situation he was in.
786
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,240
I told him what we had on him.
787
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:26,400
Wire fraud, money laundering, tax evasion,
788
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,000
the non-reporting
of foreign bank accounts.
789
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:30,880
The agent said,
790
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,960
"Mr. Blazer, you're looking at 75
to 100 years in jail right now."
791
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,960
"We can take you now
or you can cooperate."
792
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,760
I mean, I remember him
just looking at me…
793
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:44,480
…and going…
794
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,160
And then he said,
"I, uh, think I wanna help you guys."
795
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:52,320
"This is probably bigger than you know."
796
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,120
And I think
we suggested that he get an attorney,
797
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,080
and… and so… so it went from there.
798
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:00,960
When he came upstairs,
799
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,040
I said, "Well, you know,
your taxes, just… just pay 'em."
800
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:05,800
"Work out a deal. Just pay 'em."
801
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:11,640
And he goes, "Mary Lynn,
I'm just a fat crook from Queens."
802
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,120
And then… chickens came home to roost.
803
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,680
The FBI goes after FIFA.
804
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,560
Nobody is above the law.
805
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,480
Suddenly, you are
in an FBI series on Netflix.
806
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,200
This is the World Cup of fraud.
807
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,680
Maybe it is
a Mafia-style organization.
808
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,400
Sepp Blatter isn't the only
executive with questions to answer.
809
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,880
5,200 is the number
of workers expected to die.
810
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,640
I'm being blamed
for this storm. Well, then, fine.
811
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:43,040
Somewhere
there is always an end.
812
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,200
I'll take the responsibility.