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It's exactly half past six
on Wednesday 27th May.
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We'll have all the latest news
and sport for you in just a moment.
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We are following a developing
story with worldwide implications.
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FIFA, the multibillion-dollar organization
that governs soccer, is under fire.
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A bombshell, an earthquake
at the International Football Federation.
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In May 2015,
the house of FIFA started crumbling.
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In the past hour,
a number of officials
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from world football's governing body,
FIFA,
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have been arrested
on suspicion of corruption.
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The news broke
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that people had been arrested
right in the seat of power in Zurich.
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Senior members
of the FIFA Executive Committee
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and some officials.
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We've only had the information
in the last couple of hours, Amanda,
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but what do you know about the arrests?
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This is an FBI investigation.
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They raided one of the main FIFA hotels,
the Baur au Lac…
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And these were individuals at the top
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of not only the biggest sport
on the planet,
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but in many ways the biggest business.
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In this car,
one of them is taken away
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from people's sight.
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Every few minutes, we get a call
that a new person is now under arrest.
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We'd been working so hard
for so long to try to control all this,
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so this moment would happen
in the right way.
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I remember I was driving from home
to FIFA, and I got a call telling me,
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"We should meet
because we have a big problem."
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POLICE
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It was a very difficult day.
The worst day.
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People I knew quite well
had just been arrested.
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But we didn't know the full extent of it
until we saw the indictments,
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uh, which was some hours later.
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Not long afterwards,
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the Department of Justice
announced the indictment
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with however many names on it,
including some of the biggest names
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in the Executive Committee.
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Basically, the people who decide
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which country's gonna host the World Cup,
who run the organization.
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We are here to announce the unsealing
of charges and the arrest of individuals,
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as part of our long-running investigation
into bribery and corruption
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in the world of organized soccer.
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The first time you read
the indictments, you're like, "Hold on."
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You're not just saying
these people did it.
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You might be suggesting
FIFA's responsible for this.
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The 47-count indictment
against these individuals
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includes charges of racketeering,
wire fraud,
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and money laundering conspiracies,
spanning two decades.
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The way Loretta Lynch
and Jim Comey talked about FIFA,
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they use charges that normally
are associated with the Mafia
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or, uh, Mexican drug cartels.
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If the US Department of Justice
names FIFA as a criminal party,
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it's… it's game, set, and match here.
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The organization will just collapse.
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Uh, nobody is above or beyond the law.
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They went to New York
to send a message to international soccer.
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"You haven't cleaned up your house.
We are coming to clean up your house."
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This really is the World Cup of fraud.
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And today, we're issuing FIFA a red card.
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Suddenly, the corporate veil fell,
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and you could see
quite how much corruption
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and money-making
and self-interest and greed
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and politicking and backstabbing
there really was
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behind what they called "the FIFA family."
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-Mr. Blatter?
-Mr. Blatter?
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Will you resign, Mr. Blatter?
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And Sepp Blatter was
the head of that family.
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He was
the Godfather of football.
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In his eyes, he was untouchable.
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In most governments,
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if two vice presidents and several members
of the executive committee are indicted,
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the president would resign
or would be forced to resign.
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Why would I resign?
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To resign would be like saying
I am responsible
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for everything that's happening.
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Corruption was endemic
in FIFA for decades,
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right through to the fall in 2015.
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They held important responsibilities
at every level,
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from building soccer fields
for children in developing countries
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to organizing the World Cup.
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They were expected
to uphold the rules
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that keep soccer honest
and to protect the integrity of the game.
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Instead, they corrupted
the business of worldwide soccer
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to serve their interests
and to enrich themselves.
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But that's not true.
This has been created.
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The institution is not corrupt.
There is no corruption in football.
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RED CARD FOR FIFA
NO WORLD CUP WITHOUT WORKERS RIGHTS
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Nothing was done by him
to stop this bullet train.
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My conscience is clear.
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Because I cannot be responsible for that.
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FIFA became toxic.
FIFA became a criminal organization.
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The job I have done in FIFA is a good job.
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-Let's go, FIFA! Let's go, FIFA!
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I didn't realize
how much power they had.
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I didn't realize
they controlled governments, banks.
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I just thought, "These are the guys
that make the rules."
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Being a member of FIFA is like being
in a secret garden you never wanna leave.
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There's an unspoken code
that you can do whatever you want.
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You're a master of the sporting universe
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and more powerful, in many cases,
than politicians and others
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because they come and go,
but you stay in that job,
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you stay in that seat year after year.
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Regarding the arrests
carried out,
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this is another obvious attempt of the US
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to extend its jurisdiction
to other countries.
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-Qatar!
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We were all flabbergasted.
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My immediate reaction was
that they had bought this.
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The attack was coming
on us, on FIFA.
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Unprecedented attacks,
coming from left, right, and center.
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My name will always be in "corruption,
corruption, corruption."
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This is the story
of the history of FIFA,
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which is partly
the history of football itself,
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and the history
of how corruption takes root
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in different places around the world.
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It's still, by far,
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the biggest sports corruption scandal
that we've ever had.
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FIFA has got the great privilege
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of being in charge
of the greatest game on earth,
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that people just fall in love with
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when they're really, really small,
and love for the rest of their lives.
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But they're in an important position
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with a duty to safeguard
the values of the sport.
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It's a much happier place to be,
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not to know
all the ugly goings-on inside football,
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and just to still love the game
and support your national team,
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just out of innocence and love.
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But at the same time,
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most football supporters have a feeling
for when things aren't right.
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The normal fan wants
to see football, to be in the World Cup.
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He wants to see his heroes playing,
the Ronaldos and all… all the Messis.
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He doesn't care
about the infights in FIFA.
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He knows FIFA's corrupt,
and he's fed up with that.
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The question is allowed.
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Why should the normal fan care
about bribery in sport?
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We should care because the sport
still gives the illusion to the world
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that it is something nice, something fair,
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something entertaining, something clean.
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It is not,
but the illusion still lives on.
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If we don't fight corruption in sport,
we should not fight corruption at all.
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In order to understand
how corruption takes root in football
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in different places around the world,
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it's really important
to go back to the origins of FIFA.
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FIFA was formed by seven
European football associations in 1904,
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and they were all amateur.
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There was no money in it at all.
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And there's an idealism there
to play sport against each other.
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They wanted football
to be a force for good.
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For decades, football spread phenomenally
around the world,
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despite how small-scale
FIFA was for such a long time.
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For years, it was just,
you know, in an office building
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in downtown Zurich,
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and it… and it didn't have its own HQ.
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It was an amateurish organization
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until 1974.
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At the time, the president of FIFA was
a prominent English football administrator
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called Stanley Rous,
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who was then challenged
by the Brazilian, João Havelange.
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I'd like to mention this. For Stanley,
I have the greatest respect.
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When you enter into an election,
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you do not turn into enemies,
you are temporary adversaries.
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João Havelange was
the most famous Brazilian in the world.
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João Havelange had been
an Olympic athlete in swimming.
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João Havelange was the president
of the Brazilian Sports Confederation.
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He had a genuine interest in sports.
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He realized that the knowledge
he had about sports
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could be transformed into political power.
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He started learning more
about the political situation in FIFA.
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He saw that there was a chance.
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Would it be such a bad thing
for football if Brazil did get this post?
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I don't know.
I should be a little apprehensive.
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Why?
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Well, in view of the way
that I've seen that they, um…
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their attitude towards football
and sport is so different from ours.
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Stanley Rous made some big mistakes
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and misjudgments
on the international stage.
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Particularly the fact
that he had a tolerant attitude
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towards apartheid South Africa
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and their membership of FIFA.
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He's not well-loved in Africa.
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People see Stanley Rous
as a part of the British Empire,
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who are blocking the advancement
of the African countries
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who are fighting for their independence.
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Havelange said, "While apartheid exists,
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if I am elected,
South Africa will be banned by FIFA."
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Havelange fought
a very shrewd election,
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and this is where the politics,
perhaps with a capital P, comes in.
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Each country's football association
has one vote
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in the FIFA presidential election.
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So, there are votes all around the world,
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especially in Africa,
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and João Havelange completely understood
that if you wanted to win that election,
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it's not going to do you any harm
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if you promise them that there's gonna be
some resources there,
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some money there for development
of the game in their own countries.
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And then
there's also the suspicion, of course,
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that he had money,
and that the famous packages,
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the brown envelopes,
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may have been distributed
to delegates at the hotel in Frankfurt
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in the days before the congress.
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Of course it happened.
It's certain it happened.
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Gentlemen delegates,
Mr. Havelange received 68 votes…
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-…Sir Stanley Rous, 52.
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The new president of FIFA
is Mr. Havelange.
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The election of João Havelange
was such a watershed for FIFA.
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This Brazilian industrialist
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had replaced
the English referee, FA blazer figure.
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So unexpected and shocking.
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The arrival of Havelange to FIFA
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symbolized the arrival
of capitalism in FIFA,
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in the sense that its identity changed
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from being like a club amongst friends,
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Europeans who were
all very interested in the game,
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and became a business.
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Soon after being elected
president of FIFA,
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I had in mind
two particularly ambitious projects.
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They should benefit, most of all,
the youth and Third World countries.
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So, Havelange had made
those promises
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to do more development
in Africa, particularly.
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But the problem was
that there wasn't much money in FIFA
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to actually do these programs.
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And that's when
Sepp Blatter came on board.
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In October of '74,
FIFA contacted me and said,
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"Havelange is looking for somebody
who could develop the game."
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And I heard, "FIFA, FIFA."
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I said, "Whoo! I jump into FIFA."
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I met Havelange.
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A big, tall man.
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It's easy to be tall in front of me.
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I never had more than Messi. 170, 169.
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So… so, it's easy to be tall.
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And he, uh, looked at me, and he said,
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"Tu veux travailler avec moi?"
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Uh… "Do you want to work with me?"
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And I said, uh, "Yes, Mr. President."
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Handshake. And he said…
"You're hired."
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Then I had
what I wanted in my life,
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to work for football and in football.
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But developing the game,
I… I cannot do it myself.
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I need help.
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FIFA had no money.
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So, what I did,
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I approach Coca-Cola,
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and I made a presentation.
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And then there was a man there,
and he said,
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"I listened to what you have said,
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but how many bottles of Coca-Cola
are you going to sell for me?"
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I said, "It's not a question
to sell the Coca-Cola,
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but it is a question
that two big organizations,
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they can go together
for the benefits of the youth."
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And so, in 1976,
we made the press conference
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to announce the big support
from the Coca-Cola Company
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to FIFA for the development programs
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and the youth competitions.
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He was the first one
who introduced modern sponsoring
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in development programs.
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It was totally new.
This was revolutionary, you know.
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Coca-Cola supported
the FIFA Coca-Cola Program,
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as it was called.
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This was the start of the modern FIFA.
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And once we had Coca-Cola,
then others followed.
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Adidas said, "We will give the equipment."
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And then we had the contract with KLM.
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This is in the first four years
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that Havelange is in power.
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They're selling massive sponsorships
for the first time.
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After that, you start to see
all these other brands
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start attaching themselves to football,
to sponsor the '78 World Cup.
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It brings in
an avalanche of money to FIFA.
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Football became a product.
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Then automatically, it's obvious.
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You touch… you touch politics.
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I'm sure
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that Argentina will host
an excellent World Cup.
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Economically, it's a rich country.
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It has the right conditions,
financially speaking,
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for us to have a perfect World Cup.
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The '78 World Cup was really
a remarkable moment
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in the history of sport,
and politics, for that matter,
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because it was…
it was the opportunity for FIFA
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to begin to really spread
its wings financially,
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but also it was an opportunity
for FIFA to lay down
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with perhaps the most despicable kinds
of politicians you can imagine.
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Argentina in 1976 had a takeover
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by a fascist, violent,
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brutal military group.
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They were responsible
for atrocities and disappearances.
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General Videla,
this very stern-looking man,
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was running Argentina at this time.
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The military junta
was bundling up dissidents,
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putting them on airplanes and helicopters,
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and throwing them
into the Rio de la Plata.
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They were squashing
all dissent,
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and it was a truly horrific moment
in modern world history.
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The dictatorship
was disastrous for the country.
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It brought us pain.
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The World Cup was not suspended,
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despite all the economic problems
the country was having.
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The words of the President
were, for us, yet another reassurance.
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Therefore, we leave here
very satisfied and very happy.
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There's a modern word
for cruel or unjust regimes
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who glamorize themselves
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or cleanse their image
through association with football,
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and the modern word is sportswashing.
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The laundering of an image
through being associated with sport.
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The most famous example is not Argentina.
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It's… it's the Hitler Olympics
in 1936 in Berlin.
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The World Cup of Argentina
is a carbon copy of 1936.
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We call on the footballers,
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spectators, and the press of the world
to boycott the games.
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There was a big campaign to
boycott it, but no country did boycott it.
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Argentina! Argentina!
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Argentina! Argentina!
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Argentina reached the final
with a wonderful team.
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One of the stars was Mario Kempes,
playing with his socks down his ankles
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in a really flamboyant way, long hair.
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He rode three tackles
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before playing a reverse pass
off the goalkeeper.
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It was heart-stopping.
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And Argentina won the World Cup.
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They were the first
happy moments I remember as a community.
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We went from euphoria to sadness
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when we found out
at the end of the dictatorship
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about everything
that had happened in those years,
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and how we were used as puppets.
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I kept it there. I kept it
there because it was sport, not politics.
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It was well-organized,
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the discipline was absolute,
and it was a great World Cup.
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Havelange himself said
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that football and politics shouldn't mix,
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that FIFA is an entity
that's non-partisan and non-political.
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João Havelange organized a World Cup final
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at the Stadium Monumental de Núñez,
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a mere 500 meters from the prison
of the Argentinian Navy School,
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where the objectors to the dictatorship
were tortured and killed.
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"Because I don't do politics."
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Do you understand?
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And then he does the worst,
the worst kind of politics there is.
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The kind that supports dictatorships.
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Sportswashing is a big issue now,
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and when you look back
at the 1978 World Cup,
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the 1936 Olympics,
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and now,
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I think it becomes more disturbing.
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Sport allows itself to be, essentially,
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bought by regimes
with human rights issues,
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rather than using its power
to take a stance against that.
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And you could say
Argentina wrote the playbook
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for how to do that.
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In this story of the history
of how corruption takes root in FIFA,
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there's moments of original sin,
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moments of people doing something corrupt,
and it then becomes endemic,
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and it seems that this,
after the World Cup in Argentina,
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is really one of those moments.
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There are people who believe
that Havelange should be recognized
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for having a great legacy for football,
and for FIFA, which is arguable,
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but that he was corrupted
by Horst Dassler,
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the German owner of Adidas.
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We produce 15,000 shoes,
which is our main operation,
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and, among other things,
500 balls per day.
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Adidas had this incredible
interwoven relationship with FIFA,
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and Horst Dassler was
remarkably powerful and influential,
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going back decades by then.
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It's almost like how much Adidas you saw
on television when the World Cup was on
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was reflected in the influence
that Adidas had behind the scenes.
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And the story goes that Adidas were doing
the overall marketing package
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for the 1982 World Cup in Spain.
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And Horst Dassler put a payout
into the contract for Havelange
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in order to make sure
that they secured the rights,
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which was effectively a bribe.
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And so João Havelange,
the president of FIFA,
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takes money for those marketing rights.
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Then Dassler started to think
about other ways to bribe Havelange
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to be able to control rights indefinitely
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'cause he knows that the value of football
is just gonna explode.
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As television developed,
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the rights to just seeing the action
became very, very, very valuable.
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So Horst Dassler moves into
pure sports marketing.
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He wants to buy up the rights
to the World Cups from FIFA
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and then sell them to broadcasters.
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Havelange is not interested,
necessarily,
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in what the correct market value
for it is.
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He's interested in,
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and this is where
things start getting ugly,
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how much money Dassler can give him
privately under the table
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in exchange for those rights.
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And so Dassler creates this company,
ISL, International Sport and Leisure.
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And this company begins gobbling up
almost every right associated with FIFA.
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At the time, the model was simple
and, uh, very profitable for ISL.
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It was a straight rights buyout.
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So, you went and offered
a certain amount of money
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to, uh… to FIFA
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in return for all their marketing rights.
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Then we could do with it
whatever we wanted
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and obviously sell them
for, uh, more money.
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As long as it brought money for FIFA,
they were happy
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because they themselves
didn't understand what we were doing,
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but they liked the money coming in.
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They definitely really used their power
to their benefit.
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The mastermind
behind everything was Horst Dassler.
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Granting ISL a de facto monopoly,
the dark road started.
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At the time,
Blatter had the full trust of Havelange,
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and Blatter behaved in a way
that Havelange could trust.
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He did everything for the president.
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I was witnessing this, you know.
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At the time,
I remember there were 11 members in FIFA,
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and I was number 12.
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And number 12, at the time,
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he didn't play.
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He was substitute,
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but only in the first half
if somebody is injured.
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He never played.
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So I said, "I'm not a silly boy
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to… to be the number 12
for all… all my life."
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Blatter was
a very ambitious marketing guy.
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He learned how to try
and negotiate your way up the ladder.
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And a way of doing that
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was to very much be
the loyal worker for Havelange.
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And in 1981,
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he became the general secretary.
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So then he's second in power,
really, to Havelange.
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- Hello.
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And Havelange
was always in Brazil.
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He came every six weeks or two months
to see if the building is still standing.
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So, Blatter could more or less do
what he wanted.
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He was the best-oriented person.
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He was the spider in the net.
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And Havelange was happy
with the situation as it was.
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He could get his black money.
He could be the president.
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He could… He could get the glory.
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The moment when people understood,
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"This is a powerful guy,
FIFA is something else now,"
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was the World Cup in Spain,
without any doubt.
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There was a huge qualitative leap
from the darkness of Argentina
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to that sunny tournament in Spain in '82,
even in the sense of the weather.
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The fact that it was in Spain
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where a four-decade-long dictatorship
had just ended.
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Franco.
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So, it was
a completely different situation.
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It swapped the shadows for the light.
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And the one who was shining
was Havelange. As well, right?
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There is even a famous scene
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in which King Juan Carlos
and Havelange arrived together.
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And the feeling was
that the king was, in fact, Havelange
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because of the different posture
that he and Juan Carlos had.
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It looked like the king
in there was Havelange.
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João Havelange became
a very, very powerful figure at FIFA.
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I don't think
there's a challenge to his presidency,
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and gradually FIFA start making big money.
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Since he became FIFA president,
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Havelange has created
a multimillion-dollar footballing empire.
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With it has come a life of luxury.
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There was also starting
to be a culture
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of these people behaving
a bit like barons.
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Last month, he jetted across
the Atlantic to Zurich and back again,
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just to say hello.
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It becomes very famous,
what a luxury life they all have.
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The best cars, the best hotels.
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You know, money no object, really.
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And Havelange was
almost like the emperor at FIFA.
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Nearly all of FIFA's money
was coming from ISL,
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the marketing company
founded by Horst Dassler,
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the Adidas boss.
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ISL controls all the marketing rights,
the advertising in the stadium,
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and every other element of commercialism,
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so, to date, he's been very successful
in his relationship with FIFA.
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And all that time,
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ISL had been paying kickbacks
to Havelange, as the FIFA president,
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for the purchase of marketing rights
to World Cups.
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The staff was starting to speak
about ISL, and, uh, "Why is always ISL?"
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And, uh, I got a lot of questions
from the media, you know,
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questions I should…
should reply more or less correctly.
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You know?
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And, uh… more and more,
we found out that something was rotten.
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Yes, but we didn't speak it out.
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Blatter knew
ISL were paying Havelange money
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'cause one-and-a-half million
had actually been paid to FIFA by mistake,
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and Blatter had seen it.
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England, the Football Association…
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For Blatter,
it was a little triumph
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because now he could show
that Havelange was bribed.
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This was the proof
that Havelange was corrupted, you know?
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And this was just, uh…
the cherry on the cake, you know?
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Beautiful cherry for Sepp Blatter.
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And later on, he started to…
to disclose his ambitions.
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A few years later,
I could feel he was getting impatient.
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He didn't have the patience
to wait until Havelange wanted to go.
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He just wanted to become president.
All the rest was not important.
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Blatter knew that Havelange was corrupted,
489
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,000
and he made use of these secrets
at the end of the day.
490
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,800
He made an arrangement with Havelange
491
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,560
that Havelange agreed
to stay four more years
492
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,480
and to leave in an orderly way
and to support him,
493
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,760
so Havelange could leave
with a certain respect,
494
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,800
and Blatter could fulfill his dream
to become FIFA president.
495
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,200
It was an evil pact.
496
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:11,640
My mission
as president of FIFA will end
497
00:34:11,720 --> 00:34:17,320
at the same time
as the World Cup in France, 1998.
498
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,640
This must have been a very big
personal disappointment for Havelange.
499
00:34:21,720 --> 00:34:23,120
I'm sad that he will leave
500
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,560
because I cannot imagine
that FIFA will run without him.
501
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,200
Twenty-one years together,
this forges friendship.
502
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:36,600
And, uh, I first have now
to digest this information.
503
00:34:39,240 --> 00:34:44,960
He was never honest enough
to support the president of FIFA,
504
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,320
who made him.
505
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:53,200
Blatter's story
is one of betrayal.
506
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,760
I get tired even talking about him.
507
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,160
He's missed it!
And Brazil win the World Cup!
508
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,360
Baggio stays rooted to the spot,
509
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,840
has hardly moved.
510
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,360
Italy are dejected.
The delight from the Brazilians.
511
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:16,600
It all started with…
512
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:22,520
In the early '90s, the European members
in the FIFA Executive Committee
513
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,280
were unhappy with the way
514
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,200
Havelange and Blatter
were running the organization.
515
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,800
And so they nominated Lennart Johansson
516
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:36,360
as their candidate
for FIFA presidency in 1998.
517
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,200
I mind my own business.
518
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,200
I presented my program
already half a year ago.
519
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,280
People know for what I'm standing,
and that's it.
520
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,560
He was very popular within FIFA
521
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,000
and, um, seems to have
the support of Europe,
522
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,560
which is still sort of at the top
of the pyramid of world football.
523
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,560
So, Blatter finds quite a challenge there.
524
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,800
How do you see
Mr. Blatter's candidacy?
525
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,640
He's a very good general secretary.
526
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,560
We can also look at what lessons
Havelange taught Blatter.
527
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,120
I think perhaps the most important lesson
was about how to count votes
528
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,120
and that, in fact, other countries
have lots of votes as well.
529
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:16,920
And once you're looking for votes,
well, then it's a lethal business.
530
00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:21,080
This is a big weakness in the FIFA system,
531
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,560
which no one's quite worked out
how to solve.
532
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,040
Every country has one vote.
533
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,360
CONMEBOL, for example,
the South American confederation,
534
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,200
which includes Brazil and Argentina,
535
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,400
two of the greatest football countries
536
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,680
who've won the World Cup
multiple times between them,
537
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,440
has only 10 votes
for the presidency of FIFA,
538
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:45,440
but CONCACAF,
539
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,840
because of all the Caribbean islands,
540
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,840
they have over 30 votes
for the presidency,
541
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:58,040
so, therefore, any FIFA president
has to keep them happy.
542
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,240
And who is the president
of CONCACAF for all those years?
543
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,360
Someone called Jack Warner.
544
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,520
In the Caribbean,
there's a post-Jack and a pre-Jack.
545
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,120
Pre-Jack, most of the Caribbean
went about their business on their own,
546
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,880
25 countries reporting back
to CONCACAF and FIFA.
547
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:34,080
When Jack came in,
he united the Caribbean,
548
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,440
and he gave every single Caribbean nation,
549
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,080
whether you're as small
as Turks and Caicos or as big as Cuba,
550
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,160
a sense of belonging.
551
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,600
He believed the Caribbean
should be hosting World Cups.
552
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,800
He believed that anything that Europe gets
or Africa gets or Asia gets,
553
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,560
the Caribbean should get as well.
554
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:59,200
And he was a person
that wielded a very, very powerful hand
555
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,160
in football in Trinidad and Tobago.
556
00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:03,200
Nothing happened without him.
557
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,480
What happens in FIFA now
558
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,240
is that you have to be able
to make alliances, forge alliances,
559
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,440
and in that way,
you tend to get what you want.
560
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,360
Jack Warner
always had a sidekick,
561
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,960
this other character who hung out with him
by the name of Chuck Blazer.
562
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:23,960
When I first turned on
to this whole thing,
563
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,400
I noticed, while there was articles
about Jack Warner,
564
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,120
no one wrote about Chuck Blazer.
565
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,960
If this is an alternative method
to some of the…
566
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,080
He's not someone
who played soccer.
567
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,520
He didn't play many sports at all.
He didn't know anything about the sport.
568
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,600
He was much more interested
in the administration.
569
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,680
He was a hustler, a salesman.
That was his number one talent.
570
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:50,320
He coached both his kids' soccer teams
in New Rochelle, and I think he saw…
571
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,760
He said,
"There's all these kids playing soccer."
572
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,480
"There's a huge upsurge
in interest in soccer in America."
573
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,520
He saw a way to make a buck.
He was always looking for that.
574
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,600
Really, he rose from coaching
his kids' soccer team
575
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,400
to the soccer federation,
which gave him a place in CONCACAF.
576
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,880
And that's when he connected
with Jack Warner.
577
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,440
The name itself
is the Confederation
578
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,160
of North, Central American
and Caribbean Association…
579
00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:19,080
Now, each of those three zones
have somewhat different flavors to them.
580
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:20,720
Chuck helped Jack realize
581
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,720
that the Caribbean was
the sleeping giant of CONCACAF
582
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,840
in terms of one country, one vote.
583
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,840
And in a 40-nation confederation,
584
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,400
if 25 of those nations are Caribbean
and they're organized,
585
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,040
they should lead
the direction of the confederation.
586
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:36,880
So, Chuck said,
587
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,280
"Hey, we need to think about a structure
that really works for us."
588
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:41,760
"Let's go make this money."
589
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:44,760
And so, in 1990,
590
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,560
Jack Warner won the election
for CONCACAF president
591
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,800
and made Chuck the general secretary.
592
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,600
I think he was
as corrupt as can be when he got there,
593
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,120
but I think
he also learned the way of FIFA.
594
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,400
His appetite got much, much bigger.
595
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,840
Jack relied on Chuck
to generate the television contract
596
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,320
and other dollars that would mean wealth
597
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,200
for the confederation
and those two men in particular.
598
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,800
Chuck believed
he should get a taste of everything.
599
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,280
Like your Mafia guys,
they want a taste of every single deal,
600
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,160
and Blazer very much believed that.
601
00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:23,520
Last year,
I was given the responsibility also
602
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,160
to handle two new competitions which are…
603
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:29,920
When they assemble the votes
in the Caribbean to win CONCACAF,
604
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,400
this other sort of immediate takeaway
from that
605
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,360
is that that's a large block of votes
606
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,160
that can also be applied
to elections at FIFA.
607
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,560
Anyone that wanted
to be the president of FIFA,
608
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,120
you had to go through the Caribbean,
you had to go through Jack Warner
609
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,240
because he held a huge voting block.
610
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,360
And not only just held it,
they were extremely disciplined
611
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:01,640
and loyal to him.
612
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,440
Blatter understood quite clearly
613
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:10,680
that Jack had good negotiating skills
in everything that he did.
614
00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:12,680
And Jack recognized
615
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,920
there would be more benefits
coming into the Caribbean with him.
616
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,320
So, they became… "brothers."
617
00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:27,400
Jack Warner would have been someone
to make an offer to change his mind.
618
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,640
He is this kind of character.
619
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,520
But the Europeans couldn't do that.
620
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,800
So, uh, he was lost from the beginning.
621
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,200
I regret very much
the fact that for Europe, for UEFA,
622
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:45,120
it seems that no football exists
beyond their frontiers,
623
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,520
and that everybody must conform to UEFA
and not the other way around.
624
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,400
And this is one big family.
625
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:53,480
I have a problem with that.
626
00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:58,440
He was one of those who asked for money
627
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,160
to vote for Lennart Johansson.
628
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:04,120
Bluntly.
629
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,280
He was only looking after his own pockets.
630
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:13,240
So, he was supporting Blatter,
but we hoped that in spite of that,
631
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,040
we would come through as winners,
632
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:19,760
and, uh, we were hoping that we…
we get all Europe behind us.
633
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,840
Two candidates,
the Swiss, Joseph Blatter,
634
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,080
against the Swede, Lennart Johansson.
635
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,760
Lennart Johansson wants to apply
his European strategy on the world stage.
636
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,680
He is the man behind the evolution
of European competitions.
637
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:38,360
You have to watch your back all the time
because you can't really trust people.
638
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,400
There are… there are very few
639
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,920
who are not prepared
to change their opinions.
640
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,280
In other football news,
641
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,120
Michel Platini joined Sepp Blatter's
campaign this morning in Paris.
642
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,320
He announced
his support for Mr. Blatter's bid
643
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,120
to become the next FIFA president.
644
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,480
Basically, Blatter said
to himself, "I'm not very popular."
645
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:13,200
"Although I'm Swiss, I'm not very popular
or even not popular at all
646
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,680
with the European federations."
647
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:20,520
Blatter was aware that he was seen
as a rather dull football politician,
648
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,200
and he said to himself,
"Here is Michel Platini,
649
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,640
who retired from football,
650
00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:28,080
who seems to have embarked
in sports politics."
651
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,600
"He could be
an absolutely incredible running mate."
652
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,320
Platini really
revolutionized French football.
653
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,320
He revolutionized it on the pitch,
but also off it.
654
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:56,200
He really had
this incredible technical range,
655
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:57,880
which made him a unique player.
656
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,200
And so he saw Blatter
and was quite impressed by his work rate.
657
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,680
And that's when the idea
of this Platini-Blatter ticket emerged.
658
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,440
On the list of the best players
in the world,
659
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,880
he was one of the highest there.
660
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,600
He said, "I… My value is one million."
661
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,600
I said, "Okay, one million."
Also a handshake.
662
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:25,000
-Okay?
-Okay.
663
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,240
Platini's role
was very important in Europe
664
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,600
because this election
was not at all a done deal for Blatter.
665
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,160
Blatter was not the favorite.
666
00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:36,560
When we did the math
a few months before the congress,
667
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,480
Blatter was still well behind.
668
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,320
In Asia,
we had a split situation.
669
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,600
There was quite a few associations
in favor of Johansson.
670
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,800
And we thought that the bonds
between Africa and Europe were so strong
671
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,400
that all the African states
would give their votes for Lennart.
672
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:58,280
Um…
673
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,480
And, uh, strange things happened.
674
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:02,920
Okay, smile.
675
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:04,320
Smile.
676
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,320
In April,
Blatter rang me and said,
677
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:15,280
"Emmanuel, I would like to pick your brain
on how to get the vote from Africa."
678
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,920
And I said, "Listen, you know,
you are facing a tough guy."
679
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:24,840
"Like, Johansson, who already…
a tight relationship with CAF,
680
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,880
the African football confederation."
681
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,560
"But there is maybe one thing we can do."
682
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:34,440
I flew to South Africa
683
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:38,040
to meet the chairman
of the South African Football Association.
684
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:43,400
I come in and I say,
"Oli, I need your help." I say, "Listen."
685
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:50,080
"Here is a golden opportunity
for South Africa as a nation,
686
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,280
and for you as a president,
to host the World Cup."
687
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,480
"If you make a right choice,
we'll give you a guarantee."
688
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,120
And he said that, "If it's true,
689
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,040
I will not only bring
the voice of South Africa,
690
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:10,080
but I will bring
the 14 COSAFA members to you folks."
691
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,280
So I say, "Bingo."
692
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,320
I call Sepp.
I say, "Listen, we have a deal here."
693
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,640
What counts is the money.
In direct way or indirect way.
694
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:27,280
And promising a World Cup
is also a way of promising money.
695
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,280
Another key ally of Sepp Blatter
696
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:36,960
was Mohamed Bin Hammam.
697
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:43,320
He was a Qatari businessman
and essentially his campaign manager.
698
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,920
Clearly very ambitious,
699
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:51,800
and he absolutely hitched his wagon
to Blatter for that '98 election.
700
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:56,360
He's a rich man.
701
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,280
Very influential, powerful.
702
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,200
He always get what he needs.
703
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,920
Bin Hammam was
a very, very loyal deal-maker.
704
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,160
Blatter learned
how important Bin Hammam can be.
705
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,280
Whatever he promised, he kept.
706
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,440
I worked with him
through my relationship,
707
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,200
friendship with the Africans,
with the Asians,
708
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,400
to… to get more votes, you know.
709
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,120
I served him like nobody served him in…
710
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,720
uh… in his life, you know.
711
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:42,680
Several people have been talking
about brown envelopes being exchanged
712
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:44,840
at the FIFA hotel.
713
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:53,000
A lot of African countries
switched camp just before the congress.
714
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,480
We can only assume
that there was money involved.
715
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,360
There's a lot of talk
about huge sums of money
716
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,760
being delivered to hotel rooms in Paris.
717
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,720
Yes, it was.
718
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,200
It was.
719
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,200
-What can you do? That--
-Was that a rumor, or was that true?
720
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,560
No, that was true. Yeah. It was true.
721
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:16,560
It was true.
722
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,320
-Good morning.
-Good morning.
723
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:35,160
Good morning.
724
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,040
Morning. How are you?
725
00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:45,120
Hello, Mr. Blatter.
726
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,080
Ladies and gentlemen,
727
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,400
welcome to Paris
for the 51st FIFA Congress.
728
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:58,600
Without waiting anymore,
I give the floor to Mr. Havelange.
729
00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:06,000
And now the elections will begin.
730
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,880
We have two candidates.
731
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:13,400
The general secretary of FIFA,
Mr. Sepp Blatter,
732
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,480
and the president of UEFA,
Mr. Lennart Johansson.
733
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:22,320
Thank you, Mr. President.
734
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,000
Our football family needs a new leader.
735
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,280
When I was campaigning
all around the world,
736
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,160
when I met delegates on all continents,
737
00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:36,280
I did not want to promise jobs, contracts,
738
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,400
tournaments, money, or any other help.
739
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:44,160
And I did not want to promise
financial support to some associations
740
00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:46,680
who would receive this support rightfully.
741
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:48,760
Instead of making promises,
742
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,640
I referred to my program
and to the key messages.
743
00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:57,000
Democracy, solidarity, and transparency.
744
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,120
We had 12 minutes to present.
745
00:50:01,720 --> 00:50:04,800
Johansson took, I think, ten or whatever.
746
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:06,800
He's speaking.
747
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,800
And he was so convinced
that he will, uh…
748
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:16,440
he will be elected.
749
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:21,360
Voting for me means voting
for a clean football and a clean FIFA.
750
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:22,880
Voting for me…
751
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,960
I was a little bit shorter, very short,
752
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,240
and I started to say, "You know me…"
753
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,000
Myself, I'm for continuity
754
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,520
of all the development work
755
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,200
that Mr. Havelange and his administration,
756
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,200
and to which I was instrumental,
757
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,440
has done during the last few years.
758
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,640
And then I said,
"If I am elected,
759
00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:48,800
I will bring the World Cup to Africa."
760
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,000
And then whatever, over.
761
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:52,480
I thank you all.
762
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,960
And then we started
the procedure for election.
763
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:03,720
Algeria.
764
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:05,440
Argentina.
765
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:07,800
Bahamas.
766
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:09,960
Bahrain…
767
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:23,440
Ladies and gentlemen,
the results for the first round of voting.
768
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:27,560
One candidate must obtain
two-thirds of all the votes,
769
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,440
which is 128 votes.
770
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,760
Mr. Joseph Blatter, 111 votes.
771
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:40,240
Mr. Lennart Johansson, 80 votes.
772
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:48,160
Therefore, we must proceed
with a second round of voting.
773
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:56,600
Dear friends,
I am sorry, but 111-80.
774
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:01,080
The game is over,
and I think you should go for lunch.
775
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:02,160
Thank you very much.
776
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,000
We understood immediately
that this is already done.
777
00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:16,040
Africa suddenly had turned around,
778
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:17,880
and also some Europeans,
779
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,320
uh, changed and didn't support
their own president,
780
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,240
so, he was betrayed, he thought,
781
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,400
and I think that it doesn't make sense
782
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,280
to take a fight
where you know already from the beginning
783
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:33,920
that you are going to lose.
784
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,640
I was astonished
by the fact that, uh, people I talked to
785
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:42,640
told me they should vote for me,
and obviously, a lot of them didn't.
786
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:48,600
And this is where I think, um,
Blatter was an artist in organizing that.
787
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:55,000
I was
the happiest person in the hall.
788
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,920
I was just standing up,
saying, "Victory!"
789
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,320
"It's a liberation for us."
790
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,560
What he has
is he has an insatiable desire
791
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,320
to be the center of attention.
792
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:13,720
And that could…
793
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,760
in the end,
could have made him fail, but it didn't.
794
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:21,360
Once again,
please applaud Lennart Johansson.
795
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:30,200
And had Johansson
been elected president of FIFA,
796
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:35,080
these scandals that we know now
would not have happened.
797
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:43,560
There was a reaction afterwards
by UEFA by saying…
798
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:45,080
I remember.
799
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:49,720
"This is one victory."
800
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:55,000
"But never again
will you be the president. Never again."
801
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,120
It all started
with Blatter and Havelange.
802
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,480
And the '98 elections was the foundation
803
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,000
for all the things
that happened afterwards.
804
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:12,760
The ongoing mess at FIFA continues
805
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:17,320
with Mohamed Bin Hammam accusing
Sepp Blatter of behaving like a dictator.
806
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:18,840
Where is my security?
807
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:23,240
Saying that I have bribed somebody
by paying something,
808
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:24,600
this is absolutely wrong.
809
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,280
-What do you have on Blatter?
-No comments.
810
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:29,840
Why no comments?
811
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,840
Stop, please, to say FIFA's corrupt.
FIFA is not corrupt.
812
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:37,600
I feel let down,
sickened, and fed up.
813
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:38,680
Enough is enough.
814
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,640
How about your relationship
with Jack Warner?
815
00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:44,040
It's obviously been broken.
816
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,480
I said before,
FIFA will feel a tsunami coming.
817
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,160
Trust me. You haven't seen it yet.