1 00:00:25,650 --> 00:00:27,861 So you've never done construction work before? 2 00:00:27,944 --> 00:00:31,573 No. Like I said, it's just stuff around the house, helping my ma, you know. 3 00:00:31,656 --> 00:00:35,493 Don't sweat it. There's nothing to it. And you got the right build for it. 4 00:00:35,577 --> 00:00:37,454 Oh. Well, thanks. 5 00:00:37,537 --> 00:00:39,664 Just come inside, answer a couple of questions, 6 00:00:39,748 --> 00:00:42,250 and don't even think of it like a job interview, okay? 7 00:00:50,884 --> 00:00:53,094 What, um… What's that smell? 8 00:00:53,595 --> 00:00:58,558 Oh, you know, probably a dead raccoon or something down in the crawl space. 9 00:01:03,271 --> 00:01:04,731 -Here you go. -What's this? 10 00:01:05,398 --> 00:01:07,734 What the heck do you think…? 11 00:01:08,234 --> 00:01:11,237 It's an RC Cola. The heck's wrong with you? 12 00:01:11,905 --> 00:01:12,781 Sorry. 13 00:01:13,782 --> 00:01:14,991 -Thanks. -Yeah. 14 00:01:19,662 --> 00:01:23,792 So you looking for full-time? Part-time? 15 00:01:24,292 --> 00:01:27,712 Oh, I mean, I'll take as many hours as you can give me, you know? 16 00:01:27,796 --> 00:01:29,422 Just depends on what you wanna do. 17 00:01:30,215 --> 00:01:33,343 PDM stands for painting, design, and maintenance, 18 00:01:33,426 --> 00:01:36,971 so, you know, all kinds of work to be done. 19 00:01:41,434 --> 00:01:42,769 You go to that bar a lot? 20 00:01:45,730 --> 00:01:48,191 'Cause I never seen you in there before. 21 00:01:49,609 --> 00:01:51,069 -Here. 22 00:01:53,154 --> 00:01:54,614 Let me show you something. 23 00:02:02,122 --> 00:02:03,206 You Catholic? 24 00:02:09,254 --> 00:02:12,924 The only knot I remember from Boy Scouts. 25 00:02:15,218 --> 00:02:16,344 Tourniquet knot. 26 00:02:18,596 --> 00:02:20,098 It gets real tight, don't it? 27 00:02:21,015 --> 00:02:23,309 Your hand'll turn purple I leave it like that. 28 00:02:25,478 --> 00:02:27,689 Hey, look at me. 29 00:02:30,316 --> 00:02:31,943 I wanna show you a trick. 30 00:02:41,828 --> 00:02:43,746 -Ah! 31 00:02:45,206 --> 00:02:47,500 Oh yeah? Yeah? 32 00:02:47,584 --> 00:02:49,169 -Mm! 33 00:02:52,422 --> 00:02:53,715 Mmm… 34 00:03:05,185 --> 00:03:06,811 Come on, man. 35 00:03:07,312 --> 00:03:09,022 -Quit struggling. 36 00:03:12,734 --> 00:03:14,903 You do not want to piss me off. 37 00:03:15,486 --> 00:03:16,654 Trust me. 38 00:03:20,575 --> 00:03:23,369 No! 39 00:03:32,337 --> 00:03:34,714 Please, God! Please, no! Please, God! 40 00:03:34,797 --> 00:03:36,507 God can't help you. 41 00:03:37,592 --> 00:03:38,635 I'm God. 42 00:03:42,972 --> 00:03:46,267 Prison authorities in Illinois are preparing to execute 43 00:03:46,351 --> 00:03:48,895 one of America's most notorious serial killers. 44 00:03:48,978 --> 00:03:52,065 A federal judge on Wednesday ruled that the execution 45 00:03:52,148 --> 00:03:54,442 of John Wayne Gacy can go forward. 46 00:03:54,525 --> 00:03:57,528 He is scheduled to die by lethal injection on May 10th, 47 00:03:57,612 --> 00:04:00,323 giving the confessed murderer just two months more to live 48 00:04:00,406 --> 00:04:03,952 after a legal battle that has gone on for more than 14 years. 49 00:04:04,035 --> 00:04:06,329 Here now with more is Frank Currier. 50 00:04:07,163 --> 00:04:08,706 It was 1978. 51 00:04:08,790 --> 00:04:11,251 The world first saw the horrifying images 52 00:04:11,334 --> 00:04:15,421 of body bags being pulled out of John Wayne Gacy's house near Chicago. 53 00:04:15,505 --> 00:04:19,133 And of Gacy, later convicted in the torture murders 54 00:04:19,217 --> 00:04:22,262 of 33 young men and boys and condemned to die… 55 00:04:22,345 --> 00:04:24,472 Thank God. They're finally gonna fry that guy. 56 00:04:25,265 --> 00:04:27,892 You do something like that, you don't deserve to live. 57 00:04:29,811 --> 00:04:32,063 Man's gonna burn in hell and not fast enough. 58 00:04:32,146 --> 00:04:33,773 He's the worst of the worst. 59 00:04:34,899 --> 00:04:36,359 He is not the worst. 60 00:04:37,193 --> 00:04:38,403 Who's worse than him? 61 00:04:41,739 --> 00:04:42,782 My neighbor. 62 00:04:44,993 --> 00:04:45,994 Oh. 63 00:04:47,662 --> 00:04:49,539 You ever smell a dead body, Linda? 64 00:04:50,665 --> 00:04:52,166 -No. -I have. 65 00:04:52,667 --> 00:04:54,669 Jeff was cooking 'em up next door. 66 00:04:54,752 --> 00:04:57,755 Smell came right through the vent into my house. 67 00:04:58,840 --> 00:05:00,591 Can't get it out of my nose. 68 00:05:02,260 --> 00:05:03,428 That smell. 69 00:05:17,984 --> 00:05:18,901 The fuck? 70 00:05:20,194 --> 00:05:22,405 Sorry. My friend's sitting there. 71 00:05:22,864 --> 00:05:24,157 -Whoa. 72 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:25,700 Fucking loony tune motherfucker! 73 00:05:25,783 --> 00:05:26,951 -Calm down. 74 00:05:27,035 --> 00:05:28,828 Take care of that smirky ass. 75 00:05:30,580 --> 00:05:32,206 You're a fucking freak, dude! 76 00:05:40,506 --> 00:05:43,384 Fifty bucks for your autograph? No way. 77 00:05:44,052 --> 00:05:47,013 Come on, man. It's got to be worth at least, what? 78 00:05:47,096 --> 00:05:48,389 A hundred bucks. 79 00:05:48,973 --> 00:05:52,560 That's gonna be a collector's item. I'm giving you a discount. 80 00:05:54,270 --> 00:05:57,982 Hey. I'll throw in some porno pics these girls have been sending me. 81 00:05:58,900 --> 00:06:00,109 I got no use for 'em. 82 00:06:00,818 --> 00:06:01,861 Porno pics? 83 00:06:01,944 --> 00:06:03,905 Pussies hanging out, everything. 84 00:06:03,988 --> 00:06:05,073 Okay, JD. 85 00:06:06,574 --> 00:06:08,368 Yo, this is bullshit! 86 00:06:08,451 --> 00:06:09,660 Sorry, fellas. 87 00:06:10,161 --> 00:06:12,997 Don't get mad just 'cause I'm getting a little sun today. 88 00:06:13,081 --> 00:06:15,291 Why does he get private time in the yard? 89 00:06:15,792 --> 00:06:16,667 Bitch! 90 00:06:32,308 --> 00:06:33,434 Mm. 91 00:06:42,151 --> 00:06:44,028 Yo, I'm tired of your disrespect, Dahmer. 92 00:06:44,946 --> 00:06:45,947 Disrespect? 93 00:06:46,030 --> 00:06:48,366 Playing with your food, your fucking sick-ass jokes, 94 00:06:48,449 --> 00:06:51,828 selling your autographs like you some kind of celebrity or something? 95 00:06:51,911 --> 00:06:53,162 You think prison is a game? 96 00:06:53,246 --> 00:06:55,206 Think we're here for your fucking amusement? 97 00:06:55,289 --> 00:06:57,583 Hey, man, I didn't mean any disrespect. 98 00:06:58,251 --> 00:07:02,839 I'm just trying to pass my time. Same as you. 99 00:07:02,922 --> 00:07:05,967 You ain't the same as me. I've atoned for my sins. 100 00:07:06,759 --> 00:07:10,304 Whatever you did to get in this joint, it's clear that you got zero remorse. 101 00:07:11,681 --> 00:07:14,934 I'm a Christian, and I find your behavior offensive. 102 00:07:18,813 --> 00:07:19,689 Okay. 103 00:07:19,772 --> 00:07:21,941 Stop being an asshole and quit your fucking games. 104 00:07:22,024 --> 00:07:23,860 Scarver! Let's take a walk. 105 00:07:30,825 --> 00:07:31,951 Jeez. 106 00:07:32,493 --> 00:07:35,329 And why exactly are you doing research on Mr. Dahmer? 107 00:07:35,413 --> 00:07:36,831 I'm not doing research on him. 108 00:07:36,914 --> 00:07:39,584 I just want to see what he did to get in here. 109 00:07:39,667 --> 00:07:41,586 And see what the big deal about him is. 110 00:07:41,669 --> 00:07:45,590 Time spent in solitary has put me out of the loop, is all. 111 00:07:50,470 --> 00:07:52,638 Well, Mr. Scarver, according to the system, 112 00:07:52,722 --> 00:07:54,432 because of your psychiatric condition, 113 00:07:54,515 --> 00:07:57,185 your access to certain viewing materials is restricted. 114 00:07:57,268 --> 00:07:59,645 Look, like I told the doctors, 115 00:07:59,729 --> 00:08:02,482 certain food causes me to have these psychotic breaks. 116 00:08:02,982 --> 00:08:06,777 You know, bread, refined sugar, and all that artificial crap. 117 00:08:10,448 --> 00:08:13,493 Ever since I changed my diet and found Christ… 118 00:08:15,369 --> 00:08:16,579 I've been okay. 119 00:08:17,497 --> 00:08:19,790 Come on, Ms. G. Pretty please? 120 00:08:38,392 --> 00:08:39,227 Oh… 121 00:08:55,076 --> 00:08:56,035 Uh… 122 00:09:33,406 --> 00:09:36,284 …drank a lot, and when he drank a lot, 123 00:09:36,367 --> 00:09:38,911 yeah, he was abusive. 124 00:09:38,995 --> 00:09:42,373 Maybe that's where it began to go wrong for John Gacy. 125 00:09:42,456 --> 00:09:45,501 He doesn't know, nor does he seem to care. 126 00:09:45,585 --> 00:09:47,920 He loses himself in his paintings. 127 00:09:48,004 --> 00:09:51,799 This is Christ as I see him in myself. 128 00:09:51,882 --> 00:09:55,386 And it's monolithic because Christ, to me, is monolithic. 129 00:09:55,469 --> 00:09:58,222 He's all things to all people. 130 00:09:58,723 --> 00:10:00,516 You're not worried about facing God? 131 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,312 No. I'm fairly comfortable with him. 132 00:10:04,395 --> 00:10:07,815 At the Catholic services, I've been the server for the priest 133 00:10:07,898 --> 00:10:09,483 for the last ten years. 134 00:10:09,567 --> 00:10:12,987 And I have no qualms about doing that. 135 00:10:13,070 --> 00:10:16,324 I've had confession, had Communion. 136 00:10:16,407 --> 00:10:19,577 So, I'm at peace with myself. 137 00:10:20,202 --> 00:10:23,623 John Gacy now faces death by lethal injection. 138 00:10:24,123 --> 00:10:27,835 Tomorrow night we'll hear how he's the victim for being found guilty. 139 00:10:36,052 --> 00:10:37,136 Hey. 140 00:10:38,346 --> 00:10:39,305 Uh… 141 00:10:41,682 --> 00:10:43,309 Can I talk to you a sec? 142 00:10:45,978 --> 00:10:47,021 Absolutely. 143 00:10:48,689 --> 00:10:52,360 So, why do you think there's so many of us now? 144 00:10:52,443 --> 00:10:53,819 You mean inmates? 145 00:10:53,903 --> 00:10:57,990 No, I mean, uh, guys like me. 146 00:10:59,700 --> 00:11:01,118 People they call, uh, 147 00:11:02,495 --> 00:11:03,871 serial killers. 148 00:11:05,539 --> 00:11:09,085 Well, I'm not sure anybody knows the answer to that. 149 00:11:10,836 --> 00:11:13,381 Some say it's the interstate highway system. 150 00:11:13,464 --> 00:11:16,258 A relatively new invention in the history of this country. 151 00:11:17,051 --> 00:11:20,054 You can kill somebody and disappear fast, 152 00:11:20,137 --> 00:11:22,264 dump the body a thousand miles away. 153 00:11:23,641 --> 00:11:27,144 Or maybe it was World War II or Vietnam. 154 00:11:27,687 --> 00:11:30,189 Dads coming back from the war, they're traumatized. 155 00:11:30,272 --> 00:11:33,275 Don't talk about it. They're absent, abusive. 156 00:11:33,401 --> 00:11:34,985 They raise troubled sons. 157 00:11:35,069 --> 00:11:38,572 There's also the explosion and wide availability of pornography, 158 00:11:38,656 --> 00:11:41,659 which wasn't the case until the 1970s. 159 00:11:47,164 --> 00:11:49,667 You believe there's such a thing as just… 160 00:11:51,836 --> 00:11:53,045 being evil? 161 00:11:55,464 --> 00:11:58,217 I think you could probably guess that I do. 162 00:12:04,682 --> 00:12:08,018 You know, I went to church as a little kid. 163 00:12:12,815 --> 00:12:15,526 And then one Halloween, I went as the devil. 164 00:12:16,652 --> 00:12:20,573 And, uh, something felt good about that. 165 00:12:22,366 --> 00:12:24,076 Then I got a little older… 166 00:12:27,079 --> 00:12:28,748 and I made an altar to him. 167 00:12:31,083 --> 00:12:32,251 The devil. 168 00:12:33,294 --> 00:12:35,963 And I was planning on making a life-size one. 169 00:12:36,464 --> 00:12:39,467 That's what I was saving a lot of the body parts for. 170 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,304 Even in movies, like Star Wars… 171 00:12:45,181 --> 00:12:48,350 you know, I always like the bad guys more, you know? 172 00:12:50,144 --> 00:12:51,937 Well, so did I. 173 00:12:52,730 --> 00:12:54,607 Those characters are written better. 174 00:12:56,734 --> 00:12:57,777 Yeah. 175 00:13:00,070 --> 00:13:02,198 What do you really want to ask me, Jeff? 176 00:13:06,118 --> 00:13:07,077 Well… 177 00:13:11,290 --> 00:13:17,213 I was watching that, uh, that John Wayne Gacy on the news. 178 00:13:18,130 --> 00:13:24,261 You know, people say we're the same 'cause we both did terrible things. 179 00:13:25,721 --> 00:13:26,680 But… 180 00:13:29,141 --> 00:13:31,060 I really think we're different. 181 00:13:31,143 --> 00:13:32,812 I admitted to everything. 182 00:13:34,063 --> 00:13:35,189 All of it. 183 00:13:36,524 --> 00:13:39,693 And Gacy still says he didn't do it. 184 00:13:40,569 --> 00:13:42,655 I wanted the death penalty. 185 00:13:44,949 --> 00:13:47,660 And he was saying that he's not afraid to die, 186 00:13:47,743 --> 00:13:51,831 'cause he's made his peace with God. 187 00:13:53,290 --> 00:13:55,960 And he's gonna go to heaven. 188 00:13:58,921 --> 00:14:01,966 So, I guess my question is, 189 00:14:06,887 --> 00:14:10,558 do you think God's forgiven him for all that? 190 00:14:14,937 --> 00:14:18,941 Are you asking about him or about yourself, Jeff? 191 00:14:22,319 --> 00:14:25,155 I don't think I deserve forgiveness for what I done. 192 00:14:26,031 --> 00:14:28,284 Well, it's not about "deserve," Jeff. 193 00:14:28,826 --> 00:14:30,411 That's the thing about grace. 194 00:14:30,494 --> 00:14:32,580 We don't deserve it, but we get it anyway. 195 00:14:34,123 --> 00:14:38,252 You know, Jesus wasn't alone when he was dying on the cross. 196 00:14:38,836 --> 00:14:41,755 There were two criminals that were being crucified with him. 197 00:14:42,423 --> 00:14:45,384 And one of them said to Jesus, kind of making fun of him, 198 00:14:45,968 --> 00:14:49,638 he says, "Hey, if you're the Son of God, why don't you save yourself?" 199 00:14:50,139 --> 00:14:52,141 "And save us while you're at it." 200 00:14:52,224 --> 00:14:55,019 But the other one, he shouts this guy down, 201 00:14:55,102 --> 00:14:56,604 says, "Hold on." 202 00:14:56,687 --> 00:15:00,190 "You and me, we're criminals. We're getting what we deserve." 203 00:15:00,274 --> 00:15:04,486 "But this guy, Jesus, he didn't do nothing wrong." 204 00:15:06,196 --> 00:15:07,573 Then he says to Jesus, 205 00:15:08,949 --> 00:15:11,452 "Remember me when you come into your kingdom." 206 00:15:13,621 --> 00:15:16,081 And so, Jesus turns to him, 207 00:15:16,749 --> 00:15:18,459 and you know what he says? 208 00:15:19,877 --> 00:15:23,505 He says, "Today, you will be with me in paradise." 209 00:15:24,173 --> 00:15:26,842 Jesus didn't ask him what he'd done to get crucified, 210 00:15:26,926 --> 00:15:28,510 didn't ask him if he was sorry. 211 00:15:28,594 --> 00:15:31,138 All this guy had to do to be saved 212 00:15:31,221 --> 00:15:33,849 was to believe that Jesus was the Son of God. 213 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:38,979 And let us not forget, Heavenly Father, 214 00:15:40,105 --> 00:15:43,484 that you are a loving, merciful, and just God. 215 00:15:44,818 --> 00:15:50,741 And we ask that we may practice mercy and forgiveness in our own lives 216 00:15:51,325 --> 00:15:54,954 as you have shown mercy and forgiveness to us. 217 00:15:55,955 --> 00:15:59,541 In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. 218 00:16:00,334 --> 00:16:01,335 Amen. 219 00:16:01,418 --> 00:16:02,670 Amen. 220 00:16:03,212 --> 00:16:04,838 And Sandra? 221 00:16:04,922 --> 00:16:07,758 She's good. About to have her second baby. 222 00:16:07,841 --> 00:16:10,636 Praise the Lord. Boy or girl? 223 00:16:10,719 --> 00:16:13,681 We don't know yet. We fixing to find out next week. 224 00:16:14,223 --> 00:16:16,684 -Well, give her my best when you see her. -I will. 225 00:16:17,768 --> 00:16:20,854 So, why'd you want to see me? 226 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:25,484 Well, Pastor… 227 00:16:28,737 --> 00:16:34,201 what you said in your closing prayer today about forgiveness, 228 00:16:35,119 --> 00:16:36,245 showing mercy, 229 00:16:36,328 --> 00:16:39,039 I mean, I know it's the Christian thing to do. 230 00:16:39,123 --> 00:16:41,458 And we all have fallen short, 231 00:16:41,542 --> 00:16:46,005 and at some point or another, we all deserve grace. 232 00:16:53,637 --> 00:16:55,597 But when it comes to Jeff Dahmer, 233 00:16:57,266 --> 00:16:58,726 I can't forgive him. 234 00:17:01,812 --> 00:17:05,816 Even though there may be something wrong with his brain, 235 00:17:05,899 --> 00:17:08,485 or he couldn't control hisself… 236 00:17:11,530 --> 00:17:12,614 I can't. 237 00:17:14,283 --> 00:17:18,495 My heart is full of hate. 238 00:17:20,289 --> 00:17:21,415 Mmm. 239 00:17:21,498 --> 00:17:22,583 Revenge. 240 00:17:24,585 --> 00:17:29,798 I thought him being in jail for the rest of his life would be enough. 241 00:17:32,092 --> 00:17:33,177 It's not. 242 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,184 I want to see him suffer. 243 00:17:43,020 --> 00:17:45,022 I even have nightmares about it. 244 00:17:47,066 --> 00:17:51,070 And I see myself hurting him. 245 00:17:55,115 --> 00:17:56,366 Giving him pain, 246 00:17:57,910 --> 00:18:00,788 making him beg for mercy. 247 00:18:04,500 --> 00:18:06,085 I'm scared, Pastor. 248 00:18:08,921 --> 00:18:10,214 I'm so scared. 249 00:18:12,674 --> 00:18:17,262 I just wish I could get past these feelings. 250 00:18:17,346 --> 00:18:19,098 You know? That… that… 251 00:18:20,432 --> 00:18:24,186 that… that I could stop living in vengeance. 252 00:18:25,312 --> 00:18:27,648 That I could get to a better place. 253 00:18:27,731 --> 00:18:30,943 Maybe, I don't know, maybe not forgiveness 254 00:18:31,026 --> 00:18:32,945 but something close to it? 255 00:18:38,534 --> 00:18:42,704 'Cause if I keep letting hate and anger consume me… 256 00:18:46,542 --> 00:18:48,794 I'm not gonna know myself no more. 257 00:18:55,050 --> 00:18:56,552 You have a big heart, Glenda. 258 00:18:57,719 --> 00:19:01,098 Which can be both a blessing and a curse. 259 00:19:01,890 --> 00:19:04,810 And you have every right to feel those feelings 260 00:19:04,893 --> 00:19:06,520 and think those thoughts. 261 00:19:06,603 --> 00:19:09,148 But how do I make them stop? 262 00:19:09,231 --> 00:19:10,190 You can't. 263 00:19:10,983 --> 00:19:12,776 -You can't. 264 00:19:12,860 --> 00:19:17,739 All you can do is pray for strength and ask for God's guidance every day. 265 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,327 And perhaps come to church a little more often. 266 00:19:24,079 --> 00:19:25,873 Yeah. 267 00:19:25,956 --> 00:19:27,082 Yeah. 268 00:19:28,667 --> 00:19:30,419 It's not gonna happen overnight. 269 00:19:32,296 --> 00:19:33,547 It just takes time. 270 00:19:35,132 --> 00:19:40,137 And then one day, maybe a month from now, maybe a year, 271 00:19:42,055 --> 00:19:44,349 you will see Jeffrey Dahmer's face somewhere, 272 00:19:45,184 --> 00:19:46,768 and you won't feel a thing. 273 00:20:05,370 --> 00:20:06,997 -Hi, Dad. -Hey, Jeff. 274 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:07,915 How you doing? 275 00:20:07,998 --> 00:20:09,583 -Good to see you. -You too. 276 00:20:09,666 --> 00:20:11,251 -You look good. -Thanks. 277 00:20:11,335 --> 00:20:12,461 You look healthier. 278 00:20:12,544 --> 00:20:13,837 -I do? -Yeah. 279 00:20:14,338 --> 00:20:15,297 Hmm. 280 00:20:15,881 --> 00:20:19,885 Maybe it's the pills they got me on. They gave me that Prozac. 281 00:20:20,636 --> 00:20:22,054 -Oh, yeah? -Yeah. 282 00:20:22,137 --> 00:20:23,680 What, you think it helps? 283 00:20:23,764 --> 00:20:26,433 Yeah, I think it helps even me out. 284 00:20:27,809 --> 00:20:31,730 And there's no booze in here. I think that was a lot of my problem. 285 00:20:31,813 --> 00:20:33,649 Yeah, I think so too. 286 00:20:36,068 --> 00:20:37,778 You miss it, the drinking? 287 00:20:38,820 --> 00:20:40,739 Oh, every hour of every day. 288 00:20:40,822 --> 00:20:41,823 Yeah. 289 00:20:41,907 --> 00:20:44,493 So it's probably good I can't get any, you know? 290 00:20:49,498 --> 00:20:51,124 I was thinking about you and Shari. 291 00:20:51,208 --> 00:20:54,753 You guys should, uh, maybe go on a vacation with all that book money. 292 00:20:54,836 --> 00:20:57,005 Oh, yeah, the book, yeah. 293 00:20:58,257 --> 00:21:00,550 Yeah. The book didn't do so well, Jeff. 294 00:21:00,634 --> 00:21:03,345 Uh, the reviews were good, but-- 295 00:21:03,428 --> 00:21:05,097 And I understand why. 296 00:21:05,180 --> 00:21:06,473 I think a lot of people… 297 00:21:08,183 --> 00:21:11,979 thought that I was trying to profit from the victims and whatnot. 298 00:21:12,062 --> 00:21:15,107 You know? It's not true. But what are you gonna do? 299 00:21:15,774 --> 00:21:19,111 It was probably cursed from the beginning, so… 300 00:21:19,194 --> 00:21:20,153 Hm. 301 00:21:22,572 --> 00:21:23,615 Yeah. 302 00:21:25,701 --> 00:21:27,244 Uh… 303 00:21:28,578 --> 00:21:30,289 There's something I gotta tell you. 304 00:21:31,373 --> 00:21:33,083 Something I'm planning on doing. 305 00:21:36,878 --> 00:21:38,505 I want to get baptized. 306 00:21:39,881 --> 00:21:41,258 Jeff… 307 00:21:42,050 --> 00:21:43,427 That's wonderful, son. 308 00:21:46,096 --> 00:21:47,681 I thought you'd be happy. 309 00:21:48,432 --> 00:21:51,268 Only problem is they don't got a baptismal tank in here, 310 00:21:51,351 --> 00:21:55,063 and, uh, I still got to find somebody to baptize me. 311 00:21:55,147 --> 00:21:57,316 It's just-- That's so great. 312 00:21:58,817 --> 00:22:00,610 -Yeah. -That's so great. 313 00:22:01,695 --> 00:22:02,946 And, you know, uh… 314 00:22:06,533 --> 00:22:10,329 baptism's all about washing away all your sins. 315 00:22:11,121 --> 00:22:12,164 Uh… 316 00:22:13,457 --> 00:22:17,627 God forgiving you is one thing. I know he can do that, but, uh… 317 00:22:19,755 --> 00:22:22,299 I guess what I wanted to ask you, Dad, is if, uh… 318 00:22:27,304 --> 00:22:29,139 if you could ever forgive me. 319 00:22:37,689 --> 00:22:38,565 I will. 320 00:22:40,901 --> 00:22:42,361 I'll forgive you, son. 321 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:46,281 I do. 322 00:22:47,324 --> 00:22:48,200 I have. 323 00:22:51,036 --> 00:22:52,329 Because you're my son. 324 00:22:57,626 --> 00:22:58,585 Yeah. 325 00:23:00,712 --> 00:23:01,755 That's good. 326 00:23:05,175 --> 00:23:06,218 Thanks, Dad. 327 00:23:26,363 --> 00:23:27,364 Hey there. 328 00:23:28,115 --> 00:23:30,659 Glenda, thank you for coming. 329 00:23:30,742 --> 00:23:32,035 Thank you for inviting me. 330 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,371 You Lao folks sure know how to throw a wedding. 331 00:23:34,830 --> 00:23:35,956 Please, sit. 332 00:23:39,668 --> 00:23:40,502 Whiskey? 333 00:23:40,585 --> 00:23:41,586 Oh, no. I'm good. 334 00:23:41,670 --> 00:23:42,671 It's tradition. 335 00:23:44,423 --> 00:23:45,674 Okay. 336 00:23:55,809 --> 00:23:57,686 Ooh. 337 00:23:58,937 --> 00:24:00,313 That is strong. 338 00:24:01,481 --> 00:24:03,150 Better not have too many of these 339 00:24:03,233 --> 00:24:05,902 or you might not even remember your son's wedding. 340 00:24:09,364 --> 00:24:11,032 I'm really happy for you, Sounthone. 341 00:24:12,117 --> 00:24:14,619 You and your family deserve this. 342 00:24:14,703 --> 00:24:17,664 Especially after everything that's happened. 343 00:24:19,291 --> 00:24:20,584 Today's a good day. 344 00:24:27,048 --> 00:24:29,050 I try to be happy for my family. 345 00:24:30,385 --> 00:24:33,930 I smile. I try to be strong. 346 00:24:36,224 --> 00:24:40,812 I keep waiting to feel like myself again before. 347 00:24:42,481 --> 00:24:43,857 It just gets worse. 348 00:24:45,066 --> 00:24:46,943 Because every morning I get up, 349 00:24:47,986 --> 00:24:51,698 and I remember Jeffrey Dahmer is still alive. 350 00:24:53,492 --> 00:24:54,743 But not Konerak. 351 00:24:56,453 --> 00:24:57,579 Not my son. 352 00:24:58,705 --> 00:24:59,748 I get it. 353 00:25:02,501 --> 00:25:04,336 Maybe the best we can do 354 00:25:05,003 --> 00:25:07,297 is just keep pretending to be strong. 355 00:25:08,340 --> 00:25:12,677 And eventually, one day, maybe we'll forget we're pretending. 356 00:25:24,523 --> 00:25:25,941 Come on, Sounthone. 357 00:25:26,024 --> 00:25:28,777 Let's get out on this dance floor and show 'em how it's done. 358 00:25:36,618 --> 00:25:37,744 Okay. 359 00:25:40,497 --> 00:25:42,290 "Dahmer vs. Jesus"? 360 00:25:43,500 --> 00:25:44,417 Is this for real? 361 00:25:44,501 --> 00:25:47,337 It's the newest issue in his Jeffrey Dahmer series. 362 00:25:47,420 --> 00:25:48,421 Hmm. 363 00:25:48,505 --> 00:25:51,132 Just when you thought folks couldn't stoop any lower. 364 00:25:51,216 --> 00:25:52,342 It's sick. 365 00:25:52,425 --> 00:25:55,053 It's like they're making him into a superhero. 366 00:25:55,136 --> 00:25:56,596 Freedom of speech, my ass. 367 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:57,681 I know, girl. 368 00:25:57,764 --> 00:26:00,600 Though, to be honest, I'm not sure who should be offended more, 369 00:26:00,684 --> 00:26:02,018 us or Jesus. 370 00:26:02,102 --> 00:26:03,395 So what do we do? 371 00:26:03,478 --> 00:26:05,355 I say we file another lawsuit. 372 00:26:05,438 --> 00:26:08,692 But we lost the last one. Aren't we just gonna lose again? 373 00:26:08,775 --> 00:26:10,068 There's a chance we might. 374 00:26:10,151 --> 00:26:11,778 Then is it really worth it? 375 00:26:11,861 --> 00:26:15,490 Are you saying that we should just forgive and forget what Dahmer did 376 00:26:15,574 --> 00:26:18,159 and allow these folks to continue to profit off of him? 377 00:26:18,243 --> 00:26:21,955 Why expend all that effort to file another lawsuit 378 00:26:22,038 --> 00:26:24,332 if at the end of the day we lose again in court? 379 00:26:24,416 --> 00:26:26,334 Because it makes a statement. 380 00:26:27,335 --> 00:26:31,631 It reminds people that Jeff Dahmer isn't a superhero. 381 00:26:31,715 --> 00:26:33,508 He's a serial killer. 382 00:26:35,510 --> 00:26:40,098 It also reminds them that our sons weren't just Jeff Dahmer's victims. 383 00:26:40,181 --> 00:26:43,018 They were real people. They lived. 384 00:26:43,852 --> 00:26:45,395 They sang in the choir, 385 00:26:46,146 --> 00:26:49,524 loved to dance, teased their sisters. 386 00:26:50,025 --> 00:26:53,278 They were young men who had hopes and dreams for the future. 387 00:26:54,029 --> 00:26:55,155 And mothers… 388 00:26:57,490 --> 00:26:59,159 who loved them. 389 00:27:00,994 --> 00:27:03,121 So even if we lose in court, 390 00:27:03,204 --> 00:27:05,749 if we can manage to get that point across, 391 00:27:05,832 --> 00:27:07,876 we win without winning. 392 00:27:13,048 --> 00:27:15,216 I know I'm not going to read this. 393 00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:19,095 But I hope Jesus whoops Jeffrey Dahmer's ass. 394 00:27:31,107 --> 00:27:32,692 Don't look right at it. 395 00:27:33,568 --> 00:27:34,819 Put these on. 396 00:27:34,903 --> 00:27:35,779 Thanks. 397 00:27:36,404 --> 00:27:39,366 Really makes it hard to doubt there's a God, doesn't it? 398 00:27:39,449 --> 00:27:41,326 Total eclipse of the sun. 399 00:27:43,161 --> 00:27:45,330 The hour John Wayne Gacy's executed. 400 00:27:46,122 --> 00:27:48,458 The same day Jeffrey Dahmer's baptized. 401 00:27:48,541 --> 00:27:50,919 We use this for rehabbing injuries and whatnot. 402 00:27:51,002 --> 00:27:52,504 -Will this work? -I… Um… 403 00:27:53,463 --> 00:27:55,757 Yeah, I believe it would. 404 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:56,925 Anything else you need? 405 00:27:57,008 --> 00:27:59,844 I'm sorry. You're giving me everything I'm asking for. 406 00:27:59,928 --> 00:28:01,596 I thought this was gonna be a lot harder. 407 00:28:02,347 --> 00:28:03,682 Religion pacifies. 408 00:28:05,392 --> 00:28:07,894 You know, Warden, I spoke to him, and I'm gonna tell you 409 00:28:07,977 --> 00:28:09,854 what I told your chaplains here. 410 00:28:09,938 --> 00:28:13,942 Dahmer wants to be saved. It is genuine. 411 00:28:15,068 --> 00:28:18,238 John Wayne Gacy, do you have any last words? 412 00:28:19,489 --> 00:28:20,699 Uh… 413 00:28:21,991 --> 00:28:23,326 How about 414 00:28:24,244 --> 00:28:26,287 you all kiss my ass. 415 00:28:28,373 --> 00:28:29,833 How's that for last words? 416 00:28:31,710 --> 00:28:32,836 Where you going, JD? 417 00:28:33,420 --> 00:28:34,879 I'm getting baptized. 418 00:28:34,963 --> 00:28:37,507 Yeah! Good for you, Jeff. 419 00:29:00,488 --> 00:29:01,948 Someone made that for you? 420 00:29:02,532 --> 00:29:04,033 Yeah, nice, right? 421 00:29:04,117 --> 00:29:05,744 Some lady in Oklahoma. 422 00:29:24,262 --> 00:29:25,722 Motherfucker, man. 423 00:29:32,729 --> 00:29:35,607 Jeff, I baptize you 424 00:29:35,690 --> 00:29:37,400 in the name of the Father, 425 00:29:39,194 --> 00:29:40,361 the Son, 426 00:29:41,946 --> 00:29:43,156 and the Holy Spirit 427 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,867 for the forgiveness of sin. 428 00:29:47,035 --> 00:29:48,578 I don't know what to do. 429 00:29:48,661 --> 00:29:51,623 God Almighty, Heavenly Father, you got to talk to me! 430 00:29:52,123 --> 00:29:54,042 You've got to tell me what to do! 431 00:30:22,403 --> 00:30:24,656 Official time of death, 12:58. 432 00:30:25,657 --> 00:30:28,451 -That son of a bitch. 433 00:30:31,287 --> 00:30:33,456 -Welcome to the family of God. -Yeah. 434 00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:37,252 -Yeah. -Congratulations, Jeff. 435 00:30:38,795 --> 00:30:40,046 You're saved. 436 00:30:43,466 --> 00:30:44,634 Thanks. 437 00:30:46,135 --> 00:30:47,136 Thank you. 438 00:30:47,220 --> 00:30:48,805 Talk to me, Lord, please. 439 00:30:49,722 --> 00:30:52,100 Just tell me what I gotta do. 440 00:30:53,685 --> 00:30:54,686 I'll do it. 441 00:31:26,801 --> 00:31:27,969 Work duty. 442 00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:46,112 So, JD, 443 00:31:46,195 --> 00:31:48,448 what you gonna do with your 25 cents an hour? 444 00:31:48,531 --> 00:31:51,618 Blow it on porn or cigarettes? 445 00:31:52,493 --> 00:31:53,411 Don't know. 446 00:31:53,494 --> 00:31:55,455 Probably just give it to the church. 447 00:31:56,956 --> 00:31:58,458 Well, that's fucking lame. 448 00:32:04,088 --> 00:32:06,424 -Oh. 449 00:32:06,507 --> 00:32:07,508 You got me. 450 00:32:07,592 --> 00:32:09,344 I'm just fucking with you, man. 451 00:32:21,064 --> 00:32:22,190 Work duty. 452 00:32:54,097 --> 00:32:56,849 Hey. You guys are getting some help this morning. 453 00:33:01,104 --> 00:33:02,063 Sure. 454 00:33:03,523 --> 00:33:04,607 Fine by me. 455 00:33:27,547 --> 00:33:30,216 I'm gonna clean the locker rooms. Wanna lend me a hand? 456 00:33:30,717 --> 00:33:31,592 Okay. 457 00:34:27,065 --> 00:34:28,191 Jesse? 458 00:34:39,744 --> 00:34:40,953 What'd you do to him? 459 00:34:42,038 --> 00:34:43,456 Don't cry for him. 460 00:34:45,958 --> 00:34:47,168 Dude murdered his wife. 461 00:34:47,710 --> 00:34:51,339 Stabbed her in the face five fucking times and tried to pin it on two Black guys. 462 00:34:53,257 --> 00:34:54,509 Ain't that some shit? 463 00:34:58,846 --> 00:35:01,599 But ain't nothing compared to what you did though, Dahmer. 464 00:35:08,022 --> 00:35:10,108 So, you didn't just murder them. 465 00:35:11,526 --> 00:35:13,194 You desecrated their bodies. 466 00:35:13,945 --> 00:35:15,738 And cannibalized their flesh. 467 00:35:15,822 --> 00:35:17,115 Answer me, Dahmer! 468 00:35:18,324 --> 00:35:19,867 Did you really eat their flesh? 469 00:35:22,245 --> 00:35:23,746 -Yes. -God… 470 00:35:26,165 --> 00:35:27,750 And that 14-year-old boy? 471 00:35:30,962 --> 00:35:32,463 -Yes. -Oh, what the fuck? 472 00:35:33,673 --> 00:35:35,174 What made you do it? 473 00:35:36,425 --> 00:35:37,593 Did you enjoy it? 474 00:35:38,427 --> 00:35:39,428 I was lost. 475 00:35:40,888 --> 00:35:42,390 I turned away from God. 476 00:35:43,474 --> 00:35:44,725 So you believe in God? 477 00:35:45,768 --> 00:35:47,436 Yes, I do. 478 00:35:48,563 --> 00:35:50,148 I've returned to God. 479 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:53,442 I feel… 480 00:35:55,778 --> 00:35:56,779 changed. 481 00:36:01,868 --> 00:36:03,411 I believe in God too. 482 00:36:06,914 --> 00:36:08,749 But my God is a god of vengeance. 483 00:36:09,292 --> 00:36:11,169 And He punishes evil. 484 00:36:12,336 --> 00:36:14,046 Been in it for a long time. 485 00:36:15,089 --> 00:36:17,633 And when He can't do it himself, he sends in vessels 486 00:36:17,717 --> 00:36:19,302 to execute His justice. 487 00:36:22,471 --> 00:36:24,182 The Lord spoke to me, Dahmer. 488 00:36:26,893 --> 00:36:29,645 He asked me to punish you 489 00:36:29,729 --> 00:36:32,148 for all them innocent lives you took 490 00:36:32,231 --> 00:36:34,233 and them families you destroyed. 491 00:36:35,276 --> 00:36:39,697 You may convince yourself that God has forgiven you. 492 00:36:42,033 --> 00:36:44,076 But you can never escape God's wrath. 493 00:36:46,662 --> 00:36:48,164 It always catches up with you. 494 00:36:50,124 --> 00:36:51,209 Always. 495 00:36:54,003 --> 00:36:56,088 See, Dahmer, 496 00:36:59,258 --> 00:37:00,551 I'm His vessel. 497 00:37:04,513 --> 00:37:05,598 Understand? 498 00:37:20,029 --> 00:37:20,988 Okay. 499 00:37:35,253 --> 00:37:37,505 You liked seeing them men in pain, didn't you? 500 00:37:48,182 --> 00:37:49,892 And that 14-year-old boy, 501 00:37:50,726 --> 00:37:52,728 when you did them horrible things to him. 502 00:37:52,812 --> 00:37:53,771 No. 503 00:37:54,897 --> 00:37:57,566 I drugged 'em first so they wouldn't feel anything. 504 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:03,447 Well, Dahmer, 505 00:38:04,740 --> 00:38:06,701 you 'bout to feel every second of this. 506 00:39:02,173 --> 00:39:03,674 In the name of the Father, 507 00:39:05,343 --> 00:39:06,510 the Son, 508 00:39:08,095 --> 00:39:09,513 and the Holy Ghost. 509 00:39:14,852 --> 00:39:16,062 Amen. 510 00:39:38,209 --> 00:39:39,168 Hello? 511 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,003 Speaking. 512 00:39:43,255 --> 00:39:44,799 Oh, no. Uh… 513 00:39:45,383 --> 00:39:46,967 Okay, we'll be right there. 514 00:39:50,805 --> 00:39:52,890 -Mr. Dahmer-- -Is he okay? Can we see him? 515 00:39:53,391 --> 00:39:54,350 Just, um… 516 00:39:56,060 --> 00:39:57,478 I'm afraid it's bad news. 517 00:39:57,561 --> 00:39:58,479 No. 518 00:40:41,897 --> 00:40:45,943 Oh, my God… 519 00:40:47,611 --> 00:40:49,238 God, Jeff, I'm sorry. 520 00:40:55,244 --> 00:40:56,162 Oh… 521 00:41:07,006 --> 00:41:08,007 I love you. 522 00:41:11,093 --> 00:41:13,304 I've loved you since the day you were born. 523 00:41:15,973 --> 00:41:18,100 And I'll love you till the day that I die. 524 00:41:52,551 --> 00:41:53,552 What? 525 00:41:54,345 --> 00:41:55,971 I didn't say a thing, did I? 526 00:42:04,647 --> 00:42:06,732 Mr. Dahmer, Ms. Flint? 527 00:42:09,777 --> 00:42:10,778 Please. 528 00:42:13,364 --> 00:42:14,657 I don't understand. 529 00:42:14,740 --> 00:42:16,408 Jeff's body's been cremated. 530 00:42:16,492 --> 00:42:19,078 They sent the remains to Shari and me two weeks ago. 531 00:42:19,161 --> 00:42:20,454 Half his remains. 532 00:42:21,038 --> 00:42:23,541 The other half went to me, okay? His mother. 533 00:42:23,624 --> 00:42:26,418 After your son was killed, 534 00:42:26,502 --> 00:42:29,088 there was, of course, an autopsy. 535 00:42:29,171 --> 00:42:32,132 And when they do that, you know, the body is kind of-- 536 00:42:32,216 --> 00:42:33,050 Dissected? 537 00:42:33,133 --> 00:42:34,927 -Lionel knows all about that. 538 00:42:35,010 --> 00:42:37,555 He's who kind of sparked Jeff's interest in the subject. 539 00:42:37,638 --> 00:42:39,598 You're a piece of work, aren't you, Joyce? 540 00:42:39,682 --> 00:42:41,517 Guys? Look, could we--? 541 00:42:42,184 --> 00:42:46,230 The brain was removed to determine the cause of death. 542 00:42:46,313 --> 00:42:49,483 Now, Ms. Flint feels that we have an opportunity here 543 00:42:49,567 --> 00:42:51,527 for something good to come out of all this. 544 00:42:51,610 --> 00:42:55,906 Scientists at Fresno State University would like to study Jeff's brain. 545 00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:59,410 What… Hold on. I don't understand. 546 00:42:59,493 --> 00:43:01,579 Where… Where's his brain been all this time? 547 00:43:01,662 --> 00:43:03,038 I mean, where is it now? 548 00:43:03,664 --> 00:43:04,623 Madison. 549 00:43:06,083 --> 00:43:09,587 In the pathology lab, at the University of Wisconsin. 550 00:43:12,548 --> 00:43:13,757 No way, no. No way. 551 00:43:13,841 --> 00:43:16,552 Lionel, please. Just listen for once. 552 00:43:16,635 --> 00:43:17,845 He wrote a will. 553 00:43:18,554 --> 00:43:21,974 He said he wanted to be cremated as soon as possible, his whole body. 554 00:43:22,057 --> 00:43:24,101 You know, his brain's part of his body, okay? 555 00:43:24,727 --> 00:43:27,646 He said no open casket, no funeral, no headstone, no marker. 556 00:43:27,730 --> 00:43:30,107 If you care so much about Jeff's wishes, 557 00:43:30,190 --> 00:43:32,276 why'd you have a memorial service for him then? 558 00:43:32,359 --> 00:43:34,320 It was just a few family friends. 559 00:43:34,403 --> 00:43:35,779 But not his mother. 560 00:43:36,614 --> 00:43:40,284 Okay, the brain should be cremated. It should have been when the body was. 561 00:43:40,367 --> 00:43:44,204 We have a chance here, Lionel, to find out why he was the way he was. 562 00:43:44,288 --> 00:43:46,915 -Was it something he was born with? 563 00:43:48,083 --> 00:43:50,669 Maybe there was some small tumor somewhere? 564 00:43:50,753 --> 00:43:54,840 I think each of us has our own idea about why Jeff was the way he was, don't we? 565 00:43:54,923 --> 00:43:56,300 Oh, stop it. Shame on you. 566 00:43:56,383 --> 00:43:58,844 You know, they just did this very same thing 567 00:43:58,927 --> 00:44:01,722 with that, uh, John Wayne Gacy. 568 00:44:01,805 --> 00:44:05,517 They took out his brain, and they made slides and whatnot. 569 00:44:05,601 --> 00:44:08,145 You know what conclusion they reached? Perfectly normal. 570 00:44:08,228 --> 00:44:10,356 Well, that's what they're gonna say about Jeff's too. 571 00:44:10,439 --> 00:44:11,523 How do you know? 572 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,612 Answer is no, Joyce. 573 00:44:17,446 --> 00:44:18,405 Never gonna happen. 574 00:44:19,198 --> 00:44:21,950 No, I think we need to try to put this behind us. 575 00:44:22,034 --> 00:44:23,994 Quit dragging it out and just… 576 00:44:24,995 --> 00:44:26,205 you know, move on. 577 00:44:28,707 --> 00:44:33,879 Mr. Dahmer, this is something that Mrs. Flint will choose to pursue in court. 578 00:44:34,838 --> 00:44:36,131 Yeah, I bet she will. 579 00:44:38,884 --> 00:44:42,304 If you be good, I'mma let you watch cartoons when we get home, okay? 580 00:44:43,347 --> 00:44:45,432 All right, let's see. 581 00:44:46,517 --> 00:44:49,144 They got Oreos, Chips Ahoy, and Kee– 582 00:44:49,228 --> 00:44:51,021 Cookies! Cookies! 583 00:44:51,105 --> 00:44:52,648 Okay. Which one you want? 584 00:44:52,731 --> 00:44:54,858 -All of them! 585 00:44:54,942 --> 00:44:58,404 I'mma get you two. You know why? You're spoiled. 586 00:44:58,487 --> 00:45:02,282 And you know why you're spoiled? 'Cause you're Granny's little rascal. 587 00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:04,993 Come on, help me put this stuff up there. 588 00:45:05,077 --> 00:45:06,912 You gonna be a big boy and help me? 589 00:45:13,460 --> 00:45:14,545 Next. 590 00:45:16,338 --> 00:45:20,134 The court recognizes a rather unusual situation here. 591 00:45:20,217 --> 00:45:23,804 It's one I certainly never encountered before and probably won't again. 592 00:45:25,097 --> 00:45:28,642 We have competing interest from the two parents of the deceased. 593 00:45:28,726 --> 00:45:32,980 I recognize the statement of wishes of Jeffrey Dahmer. 594 00:45:34,481 --> 00:45:37,359 And I'm also concerned with the issue of closure. 595 00:45:37,443 --> 00:45:42,531 This is a rather evil chapter in our human existence, so to speak. 596 00:45:43,407 --> 00:45:45,576 I believe it would be beneficial to the public 597 00:45:45,659 --> 00:45:49,079 and all concerned that there be closure. 598 00:45:50,539 --> 00:45:54,668 And that this matter is resolved once and for all, and we move on. 599 00:45:56,462 --> 00:45:57,463 Therefore… 600 00:45:59,923 --> 00:46:02,301 I hereby order the brain to be destroyed. 601 00:46:10,142 --> 00:46:14,688 I also have to say, I object to the very nature of this inquiry. 602 00:46:16,106 --> 00:46:19,151 When one considers an individual like the deceased, 603 00:46:19,943 --> 00:46:22,780 there is a temptation to try to know, 604 00:46:22,863 --> 00:46:24,782 and know definitively, 605 00:46:24,865 --> 00:46:27,159 why someone like Jeffrey Dahmer 606 00:46:27,242 --> 00:46:28,535 is what he is. 607 00:46:29,328 --> 00:46:30,579 Or was. 608 00:46:32,414 --> 00:46:34,833 I think there's a real danger there. 609 00:46:36,543 --> 00:46:39,463 There are no easy answers when it comes to someone like him. 610 00:46:43,634 --> 00:46:46,386 You'll never know why he did what he did. 611 00:46:51,183 --> 00:46:55,854 That's an uncomfortable truth, to be sure, but it's one you need to accept. 612 00:47:09,493 --> 00:47:12,329 Thank you for seeing me today, Ms. Yang. 613 00:47:12,412 --> 00:47:14,957 Of course, and I appreciate your patience, Ms. Cleveland. 614 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:16,959 -We had to reschedule a few times. -Seven. 615 00:47:17,042 --> 00:47:18,085 I'm sorry? 616 00:47:18,168 --> 00:47:19,336 Seven times. 617 00:47:19,878 --> 00:47:22,923 That's how many times your office rescheduled this meeting. 618 00:47:23,006 --> 00:47:24,132 But it's okay. 619 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,845 Like all those times I called the cops on Dahmer, 620 00:47:27,928 --> 00:47:30,222 I'm used to having to be persistent. 621 00:47:30,973 --> 00:47:33,475 So, Ms. Cleveland, how can I help you today? 622 00:47:33,976 --> 00:47:38,730 Well, I wanted to see how the progress was on the park. 623 00:47:39,523 --> 00:47:40,524 The park? 624 00:47:40,607 --> 00:47:42,860 Mm-hmm. The park memorial. 625 00:47:43,443 --> 00:47:49,074 I was told that the city was planning to turn the old Oxford Apartments on 25th 626 00:47:49,157 --> 00:47:51,493 into a park after it was demolished. 627 00:47:51,577 --> 00:47:55,747 So I wrote your office a letter saying y'all ought to make the park 628 00:47:55,831 --> 00:47:57,666 a memorial to Dahmer's victims. 629 00:47:57,749 --> 00:48:00,210 And you wrote me back a real nice letter. 630 00:48:00,294 --> 00:48:03,338 Signed your name and everything, saying that you would look into it. 631 00:48:03,422 --> 00:48:04,965 Yes, right. Um… 632 00:48:05,048 --> 00:48:09,636 So anyway, I'm here on behalf of some of the victims' families to get an update. 633 00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:13,599 And I walked past there the other day, and it's still a vacant lot. 634 00:48:13,682 --> 00:48:15,017 I mean, I… 635 00:48:15,100 --> 00:48:16,435 It's been nearly two years. 636 00:48:16,518 --> 00:48:18,186 So I'm checking our system, 637 00:48:18,270 --> 00:48:21,899 and it seems we're still waiting on some permit approvals. 638 00:48:21,982 --> 00:48:23,609 How long do those take? 639 00:48:23,692 --> 00:48:27,529 Well, it's hard to say until Public Works finishes its safety inspection, 640 00:48:27,613 --> 00:48:31,283 which they can't start until City Planning Department starts their inspection. 641 00:48:31,366 --> 00:48:36,496 Ms. Yang, all we are asking for is a damn park. 642 00:48:36,580 --> 00:48:38,081 That shouldn't be that hard. 643 00:48:38,165 --> 00:48:40,167 We're not asking you to build a Taj Mahal. 644 00:48:40,250 --> 00:48:44,546 Ms. Cleveland, building anything in the city involves a lot of red tape. 645 00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:46,965 I realize it's frustrating. 646 00:48:48,884 --> 00:48:50,135 But can I be honest? 647 00:48:51,178 --> 00:48:53,722 There are a lot of people here 648 00:48:53,805 --> 00:48:55,807 who don't want to build anything on that lot. 649 00:48:56,516 --> 00:48:58,685 They'd just as soon forget what happened. 650 00:48:58,769 --> 00:49:00,938 Not everybody can forget. 651 00:49:01,647 --> 00:49:05,734 Y'all demolished the building, but that doesn't erase what happened. 652 00:49:05,817 --> 00:49:07,945 It only erases the victims. 653 00:49:08,028 --> 00:49:12,574 And all we are asking is that y'all put something on that site 654 00:49:12,658 --> 00:49:14,326 that honors their memory. 655 00:49:14,409 --> 00:49:16,078 It's the right thing to do. 656 00:49:16,161 --> 00:49:17,913 It's the decent thing to do. 657 00:49:19,414 --> 00:49:23,335 So will you please discuss this with your supervisor 658 00:49:23,418 --> 00:49:25,087 or whomever can do something? 659 00:49:25,170 --> 00:49:26,088 Absolutely. 660 00:49:26,171 --> 00:49:29,800 And I will do everything in my power to help expedite that process. 661 00:49:30,634 --> 00:49:32,928 But from my experience, these things take time, 662 00:49:33,011 --> 00:49:36,556 and I'm afraid that you and the families probably have to wait a little longer. 663 00:49:40,435 --> 00:49:42,020 Well, that's all right, Ms. Yang. 664 00:49:43,230 --> 00:49:44,731 'Cause I'm used to waitin'. 665 00:49:46,108 --> 00:49:48,652 I am determined to see this through. 666 00:49:49,194 --> 00:49:50,237 For the victims. 667 00:49:51,321 --> 00:49:52,447 For the families. 668 00:49:53,657 --> 00:49:55,993 I ain't gonna let Jeff Dahmer and his evil 669 00:49:56,076 --> 00:49:57,995 be the only thing folks remember. 670 00:49:59,246 --> 00:50:02,249 As long as I have breath, I'll keep waiting.