1 00:00:06,257 --> 00:00:08,068 Reporter: Did you know what was going on in your name 2 00:00:08,092 --> 00:00:09,886 on the day of the families first vote? 3 00:00:10,261 --> 00:00:12,054 Were you using lobbyists? 4 00:00:12,138 --> 00:00:14,765 I would never, ever let that happen. 5 00:00:14,849 --> 00:00:17,476 And if it had happened, which it absolutely did not, 6 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:19,687 I would make sure that something was done about it. 7 00:00:19,770 --> 00:00:21,105 Absolutely damn sure. 8 00:00:21,189 --> 00:00:23,065 Reporter: So this wasn't a matter for congress? 9 00:00:23,149 --> 00:00:26,194 Well, I am certain that congress, and my opponents for that matter, 10 00:00:26,277 --> 00:00:27,917 have better things to do with their time, 11 00:00:27,945 --> 00:00:30,364 like getting down to the business of government. 12 00:00:30,448 --> 00:00:33,701 And let me repeat myself again and say to the American people 13 00:00:33,784 --> 00:00:37,330 that there is not one ounce of truth to these allegations. 14 00:00:37,413 --> 00:00:41,375 - Reporter: Madam president... - Not one ounce of truth to these allegations. 15 00:00:41,459 --> 00:00:43,562 Thank you very much. That's all the time I have for today. 16 00:00:43,586 --> 00:00:45,796 - Thank you. - (Applause) 17 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:46,964 Selina: Don't touch me. 18 00:00:47,048 --> 00:00:49,217 Man: Do you solemnly swear 19 00:00:49,300 --> 00:00:50,777 that the testimony you're about to give 20 00:00:50,801 --> 00:00:54,222 is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you god? 21 00:00:54,305 --> 00:00:55,473 - I do. - Yes, I do. 22 00:00:55,556 --> 00:00:57,642 Absolutely. Yes, sir, I do. 23 00:01:09,904 --> 00:01:11,072 (Gavelbangs) 24 00:01:11,155 --> 00:01:15,368 Mr. Cafferty, pardon me being qunt, but why did families first fail? 25 00:01:15,451 --> 00:01:16,452 It happens. 26 00:01:16,535 --> 00:01:19,705 Rain gonna fall, bar's gonna close, bill's gonna fail. 27 00:01:19,789 --> 00:01:23,584 There's a job for you at hallmark, Mr. Cafferty, um... 28 00:01:23,668 --> 00:01:26,671 You don't seem upset that the bill failed. 29 00:01:26,754 --> 00:01:32,426 Uh, if I had kids, which actually I do, this bill would be my baby. 30 00:01:32,510 --> 00:01:36,097 I and the entire white house, 31 00:01:36,180 --> 00:01:40,685 we sweated a full transfusion of blood to pass this bill. 32 00:01:40,768 --> 00:01:43,896 So Jonah Ryan wasn't sent here to defend the bill, 33 00:01:43,980 --> 00:01:45,940 to deliberately undermine it? 34 00:01:46,023 --> 00:01:49,777 No. No. Read my luscious lips, no. 35 00:01:49,860 --> 00:01:53,114 We were consultants, uh, not lobbyists. 36 00:01:53,197 --> 00:01:54,282 And what's the difference? 37 00:01:54,365 --> 00:01:55,783 You ask to be consulted. 38 00:01:55,866 --> 00:01:57,785 A consultant consults the client, 39 00:01:57,868 --> 00:02:00,413 whereas a lobbyist lobbies on behalf of the client. 40 00:02:00,496 --> 00:02:03,833 You're not telling me the difference, you're just turning nouns into verbs. 41 00:02:03,916 --> 00:02:08,379 So you were consulting people to vote against the families first bill? 42 00:02:08,462 --> 00:02:09,964 Yes. Yes, we were. 43 00:02:10,047 --> 00:02:11,716 That's exactly what they were doing. 44 00:02:11,799 --> 00:02:12,925 Rakes: Excuse me, Mr. Ryan. 45 00:02:13,009 --> 00:02:16,470 We didn't ask for your commentary on the veracity of their testimonies. 46 00:02:16,554 --> 00:02:17,596 Oh, I'm very sorry, sir. 47 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,266 I... I'm sorry that I misconducted myself, 48 00:02:20,349 --> 00:02:24,312 and I will not do that, uh, into the future. 49 00:02:24,395 --> 00:02:27,773 What is your assessment of miss brookheimer and Mr. Egan? 50 00:02:27,857 --> 00:02:31,819 Oh! Ms. Brookheimer is a strong, independent, flexible woman. 51 00:02:31,902 --> 00:02:34,655 Uh... and lord knows there aren't enough of those in d. C. 52 00:02:34,739 --> 00:02:36,407 - Ms. Bennett: And Mr. Egan? - Uh... 53 00:02:36,490 --> 00:02:40,036 Dan egan is a solid five and a half, weak six. 54 00:02:41,704 --> 00:02:44,790 Can you tell us who was responsible for the data breach? 55 00:02:44,874 --> 00:02:46,834 No. Well, I mean, yes. 56 00:02:46,917 --> 00:02:50,921 Yes, it's a matter of public record that Dan egan was fired 57 00:02:51,005 --> 00:02:53,758 uh, because of his relation to the data breach. 58 00:02:55,384 --> 00:02:56,570 I mean, you could have googled that. 59 00:02:56,594 --> 00:02:58,137 Rakes: Wait, that's not my question. 60 00:02:58,220 --> 00:02:59,388 Was he responsible? 61 00:02:59,472 --> 00:03:02,516 Well, Washington needed a sacrifice, 62 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,312 so we all ran and took out our pitchforks, 63 00:03:06,395 --> 00:03:08,272 and we set fire to the wicker Dan. 64 00:03:08,356 --> 00:03:11,817 Okay, so why did he deserve to go if he was innocent? 65 00:03:11,901 --> 00:03:13,545 You make it sound like there's a correlation 66 00:03:13,569 --> 00:03:16,364 between what should happen and what actually happens. 67 00:03:16,447 --> 00:03:19,700 I mean, life is chaotic, and it's often unfair. 68 00:03:19,784 --> 00:03:21,369 I know it is for me. 69 00:03:21,452 --> 00:03:24,413 Dan egan deserved to go. 70 00:03:24,497 --> 00:03:26,707 So he went. 71 00:03:26,791 --> 00:03:29,126 Sure, I love money. 72 00:03:29,210 --> 00:03:31,545 But there's something else that I love, 73 00:03:31,629 --> 00:03:33,899 and it's a little lady called the United States of America. 74 00:03:33,923 --> 00:03:38,552 And miss brookheimer and I are here today as patriots 75 00:03:38,636 --> 00:03:40,763 uh, speaking up for the common citizen, 76 00:03:40,846 --> 00:03:44,767 be that individual, uh, an actual person or a corporation. 77 00:03:44,850 --> 00:03:48,896 That shoehorned stab at nobility will not fly here. 78 00:03:48,979 --> 00:03:49,980 Okay. 79 00:03:50,064 --> 00:03:52,775 Miss brookheimer, are you guided purely by money? 80 00:03:52,858 --> 00:03:57,738 I think it's interesting that you chose me to aim that question at, 81 00:03:57,822 --> 00:04:03,327 insinuating that I am a money-grabbing, careerist, low-moraled... 82 00:04:03,411 --> 00:04:05,037 I don't know why I'm helping you here. 83 00:04:05,121 --> 00:04:07,140 Rakes: There is no need to be shrill, miss brookheimer. 84 00:04:07,164 --> 00:04:08,207 - Shrill? - Hmm. 85 00:04:08,290 --> 00:04:11,544 Bennett: Do you recall a document shared on the j-drive, 86 00:04:11,627 --> 00:04:15,089 titled, "the jonad files"? 87 00:04:15,423 --> 00:04:17,591 - Uh... no. No, ma'am. - No. That doesn't ring a bell. 88 00:04:17,675 --> 00:04:21,512 So it's not a word combining "Jonah" and "gonad"? 89 00:04:21,971 --> 00:04:23,615 - Not to my knowledge. - I can confirm that 90 00:04:23,639 --> 00:04:25,933 that is exactly what it is, and Mr. Egan knows that. 91 00:04:26,016 --> 00:04:28,519 In fact, Mr. Egan, I was told that you encouraged staffers 92 00:04:28,602 --> 00:04:30,563 to add to this glossary of abuse. 93 00:04:30,646 --> 00:04:35,693 I do not, at this moment in time, recall the action nor the document in question. 94 00:04:35,776 --> 00:04:38,571 Okay, maybe this will jog your memory. We have some extracts. 95 00:04:38,654 --> 00:04:41,574 "J-rock, jizzy Gillespie, Jack and the giant jackoff, 96 00:04:41,657 --> 00:04:44,660 "gaylien, tinker balls, wadzilla, one erection..." 97 00:04:44,743 --> 00:04:46,579 Do we have to go through all of these? 98 00:04:46,662 --> 00:04:48,056 I'm not sure that I see the relevance. 99 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,625 The witnesses claim they held their former colleague in high regard, 100 00:04:51,709 --> 00:04:53,627 and I am attempting to prove othen/vise. 101 00:04:53,711 --> 00:04:55,231 Okay, yeah, sure. No, you can proceed. 102 00:04:55,296 --> 00:04:58,424 "The pointless giant, the 60—foot virgin, gimpanzee, 103 00:04:58,507 --> 00:05:02,553 "Jonah ono, Hagrid's nutsack, scrotum pole, transgenderformers, 104 00:05:02,636 --> 00:05:04,221 "12 years a slave to jerking off, 105 00:05:04,305 --> 00:05:07,933 "Benedict come in his own hand, guyscraper, the cloud botherer, 106 00:05:08,017 --> 00:05:10,603 "supercalifragilisticexpiali-dick cheese, 107 00:05:10,686 --> 00:05:13,481 "teenage mutant ninja asshole, spewbacca." 108 00:05:13,564 --> 00:05:18,235 Uh... my college friends called me, uh, tall McCartney. 109 00:05:19,528 --> 00:05:21,447 Ipreferred that. That's a good nickname. 110 00:05:21,530 --> 00:05:25,075 Fractious cracks have opened up in your relationships and in your testimony, 111 00:05:25,159 --> 00:05:27,578 and we I! Explore them in a later session. 112 00:05:27,661 --> 00:05:28,662 (Gavel banging) 113 00:05:31,415 --> 00:05:33,727 Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you're about to give 114 00:05:33,751 --> 00:05:37,254 is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you god? 115 00:05:37,338 --> 00:05:38,672 I do. 116 00:05:38,756 --> 00:05:41,634 You were fired from the white house in April. 117 00:05:41,717 --> 00:05:43,177 - Is that correct? - Leigh: Yes. 118 00:05:43,260 --> 00:05:46,222 The drama queen in me likes to say that they sacrificed me at easter. 119 00:05:48,849 --> 00:05:51,477 You've been described as the scapegoat. 120 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,480 Were you, in fact, responsible for the HIV data breach? 121 00:05:54,563 --> 00:05:58,859 No, I value confidentiality and, paradoxically, I don't care who knows it. 122 00:05:58,943 --> 00:05:59,985 Why were you fired? 123 00:06:00,653 --> 00:06:03,030 To conceal something bigger. 124 00:06:03,113 --> 00:06:05,157 - They thought I was a mouse. - (Woman whispers) 125 00:06:05,241 --> 00:06:07,701 Well, this mouse will roar. 126 00:06:07,785 --> 00:06:11,580 Miss Patterson, you better tell us what that something bigger is. 127 00:06:11,664 --> 00:06:14,250 Someone from the campaign used child-mortality data 128 00:06:14,333 --> 00:06:18,045 from the same federal breach that named Jennifer Graham as an HIV victim. 129 00:06:18,128 --> 00:06:20,214 Used to what end? 130 00:06:20,297 --> 00:06:25,052 To deliberately target bereaved parents for a campaign mailer called I care. 131 00:06:25,135 --> 00:06:26,512 (Staff murmuring) 132 00:06:27,471 --> 00:06:28,698 Okay, so this is how it's gonna work. 133 00:06:28,722 --> 00:06:29,824 I'm gonna give you everything you need, 134 00:06:29,848 --> 00:06:31,493 in a nice little box with a pretty red ribbon on it, 135 00:06:31,517 --> 00:06:33,317 and then I'm gonna walk away a free man, okay? 136 00:06:33,394 --> 00:06:35,688 - Rat and roll. Deal? - Man: Go on. 137 00:06:35,771 --> 00:06:38,274 The thing about Lee Patterson, 138 00:06:38,357 --> 00:06:41,652 she doesn't even know why she was scapegoated. 139 00:06:41,735 --> 00:06:42,736 Okay? I do. 140 00:06:42,820 --> 00:06:44,860 It's because the child-mortality data was used to... 141 00:06:44,905 --> 00:06:46,174 Woman: Yeah, was used to target bereaved parents. 142 00:06:46,198 --> 00:06:47,324 We know that already. 143 00:06:47,408 --> 00:06:49,094 Man: Miss Patterson's talking to the committee right now. 144 00:06:49,118 --> 00:06:50,119 Woman: Yes. 145 00:06:50,202 --> 00:06:52,246 Okay. (Scoffs) Going deeper here. 146 00:06:52,329 --> 00:06:54,873 That data was actually taken from the same... 147 00:06:54,957 --> 00:06:57,918 Man: Yeah, it was from the same breach which identified the HIV girl. 148 00:06:58,002 --> 00:06:59,753 - We know all that. - Woman: Mmm-hmm. 149 00:06:59,837 --> 00:07:02,923 Guys, we still have a deal, right? 150 00:07:04,466 --> 00:07:07,928 Miss Patterson, you are aware that your accusations about the data breach 151 00:07:08,012 --> 00:07:10,764 will have serious repercussions for you and the others? 152 00:07:10,848 --> 00:07:12,516 I understand the dangers 153 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,019 and how you're well-placed to remind me of them. 154 00:07:15,102 --> 00:07:16,270 You're insinuating that 155 00:07:16,353 --> 00:07:19,648 my close personal friendship with the president might cloud my judgment? 156 00:07:19,732 --> 00:07:20,774 No, not at all. 157 00:07:20,858 --> 00:07:24,695 Your judgment, ma'am, is unimpeachable. 158 00:07:25,362 --> 00:07:27,615 Did the president know about the data breach? 159 00:07:27,698 --> 00:07:29,116 No, just the people around her. 160 00:07:29,199 --> 00:07:32,786 Bill ericsson and Gary Walsh were closest to her. 161 00:07:32,870 --> 00:07:35,205 Which is how I know that bill ericsson... 162 00:07:35,289 --> 00:07:36,707 Woman: Knew about the data breach. 163 00:07:36,790 --> 00:07:39,710 Man: Are you on some kind of satellite delay, Mr. Egan? 164 00:07:39,793 --> 00:07:41,962 Bill: With respect to Lee Patterson, 165 00:07:42,046 --> 00:07:45,382 she had no real idea, no concept of what was actually happening. 166 00:07:45,466 --> 00:07:46,506 I mean, she was so junior, 167 00:07:46,550 --> 00:07:48,069 she may have well been working in the kitchens, 168 00:07:48,093 --> 00:07:49,237 with all due respect to the kitchens. 169 00:07:49,261 --> 00:07:53,474 But for the record, miss Patterson was a very competent staffer 170 00:07:53,557 --> 00:07:59,355 and what Jimmy cagney would have called a good kid, in my opinion. 171 00:08:00,356 --> 00:08:01,357 I I! Wait for a question. 172 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,525 We have a deposition from a witness, 173 00:08:03,609 --> 00:08:09,073 confirming that you, Mr. Ericsson, ordered Dan egan to fire miss Patterson. 174 00:08:09,156 --> 00:08:11,009 This is what I was afraid of. I'm being snowballed. 175 00:08:11,033 --> 00:08:13,470 - I'm a victim of snowballing. - What do you mean, Mr. Ericsson? 176 00:08:13,494 --> 00:08:15,263 Well, a name gets mentioned, then gets mentioned again, 177 00:08:15,287 --> 00:08:16,765 and pretty soon, everyone is mentioning it, 178 00:08:16,789 --> 00:08:19,643 and then the whole thing snowballs, and then there's an avalanche of snowballs 179 00:08:19,667 --> 00:08:21,752 and I'm being buried by other people's snow, 180 00:08:21,835 --> 00:08:24,672 and it's not pure-driven, it's not white snow, if you catch my drift. 181 00:08:24,755 --> 00:08:27,317 I certainly caught their drift. Do I make sense? Am I making sense? 182 00:08:27,341 --> 00:08:28,509 Calm... calm down. 183 00:08:28,592 --> 00:08:33,222 Isn't snowballing what you did to Lee Patterson when you had her fired? 184 00:08:33,305 --> 00:08:35,182 Kent: No, that was scapegoating. 185 00:08:35,265 --> 00:08:38,894 Again, apologies. Uh, you haven't asked me a question. 186 00:08:38,977 --> 00:08:41,689 What is the difference between scapegoating and snowballing? 187 00:08:41,772 --> 00:08:44,525 It's not my fault. That's the difference. 188 00:08:44,608 --> 00:08:46,360 Is that... is that making sense? 189 00:08:46,443 --> 00:08:48,070 It's not my fault, is my basic point. 190 00:08:48,153 --> 00:08:51,949 I mean, why I am being raked over the coals for the misuse of data in the campaign 191 00:08:52,032 --> 00:08:53,992 when I'm sitting next to the campaign manager? 192 00:08:54,076 --> 00:08:57,454 Oh! That's... bravo, bill. Subtly done. 193 00:08:57,538 --> 00:09:01,333 Mr. Davison, you are president meyer's campaign manager, yes? 194 00:09:01,417 --> 00:09:03,794 Yes, ma'am. Though not at the time of the breach. 195 00:09:03,877 --> 00:09:08,215 But you were aware of it at the time and yet you chose to say nothing? 196 00:09:08,298 --> 00:09:11,427 Well, though it may appear that there was nothing going on, 197 00:09:11,510 --> 00:09:16,140 I can assure you that there was... There was lots going on underneath. 198 00:09:16,223 --> 00:09:20,853 Like a swan or professor Hawking. 199 00:09:20,936 --> 00:09:23,480 Woman: Who else, then, was involved? 200 00:09:23,564 --> 00:09:25,274 Gary. Gary Walsh. 201 00:09:25,357 --> 00:09:26,650 Woman: The president's bagman? 202 00:09:26,734 --> 00:09:29,611 Yeah, he's the guy. But... 203 00:09:30,362 --> 00:09:33,031 Okay, you ever seen usual suspects? 204 00:09:33,115 --> 00:09:34,783 Woman: I haven't seen it. 205 00:09:35,743 --> 00:09:38,746 Okay, well, he's keyser... I mean... (Sighs) 206 00:09:38,829 --> 00:09:41,331 You haven't seen it, so forget it. Um... 207 00:09:41,415 --> 00:09:46,086 Gary's the guy who got Amy brookheimer and I involved. 208 00:09:46,170 --> 00:09:51,341 He's the bagman, yeah, but he's also, uh, the bad man. 209 00:09:52,009 --> 00:09:53,552 (Indistinct conversations) 210 00:09:53,635 --> 00:09:54,636 (Camera clicks) 211 00:09:54,762 --> 00:09:56,263 (Indistinct chatter) 212 00:09:59,349 --> 00:10:00,434 (Gavel banging) 213 00:10:00,517 --> 00:10:05,939 Mr. Walsh, several people have now described you as being at the center of events, 214 00:10:06,023 --> 00:10:08,150 so I was wondering if you could please outline to us 215 00:10:08,233 --> 00:10:10,277 your duties and your responsibilities. 216 00:10:13,322 --> 00:10:15,657 Is there a problem, Mr. Walsh? 217 00:10:15,741 --> 00:10:17,284 I'm sorry. It's just when I was... 218 00:10:17,367 --> 00:10:20,996 When I was originally summoned, it was a smaller hearing, 219 00:10:21,079 --> 00:10:23,791 and executive privileges were waived, 220 00:10:23,874 --> 00:10:25,959 and now it's like a U2 concert. (Chuckles) 221 00:10:26,043 --> 00:10:29,838 Well, we are investigating malpractice, possibly leading to criminal investigation. 222 00:10:29,922 --> 00:10:33,342 Might you UN-waive your executive privilege? 223 00:10:33,425 --> 00:10:34,426 Hmm. 224 00:10:35,803 --> 00:10:37,221 (Whispers) 225 00:10:39,723 --> 00:10:41,308 Uh-huh. 226 00:10:41,391 --> 00:10:43,185 He says not to, so... 227 00:10:43,268 --> 00:10:46,814 Would you say you were friendly with Dan egan? 228 00:10:46,897 --> 00:10:49,399 Yes, I'm friendly with Dan egan. 229 00:10:49,483 --> 00:10:50,776 I... we 're friends, yes. 230 00:10:50,859 --> 00:10:53,070 You were seen with him and Amy brookheimer 231 00:10:53,153 --> 00:10:55,155 on the day of the families first vote. 232 00:10:55,405 --> 00:10:57,157 - (Wh ispers) - Mmm-hmm. 233 00:10:57,241 --> 00:10:58,909 Mmm-hmm. 234 00:10:58,992 --> 00:11:01,620 Yeah. Dan is not my friend. 235 00:11:01,703 --> 00:11:04,164 He's a colleague. 236 00:11:04,248 --> 00:11:05,848 I don't know why I said we were friends. 237 00:11:06,333 --> 00:11:10,337 That's a fault of mine, just kind of believing that people were friends 238 00:11:10,420 --> 00:11:11,547 and they're not friends. 239 00:11:11,630 --> 00:11:15,884 It's kind of been going on since middle school, 240 00:11:15,968 --> 00:11:17,511 and you just caught me at a bad time. 241 00:11:17,594 --> 00:11:21,098 You're probably correct to distance yourself from Mr. Egan. Um... 242 00:11:21,181 --> 00:11:22,349 Um... (Clears throat) 243 00:11:22,432 --> 00:11:26,270 How would you describe your working relationship with the president? 244 00:11:26,353 --> 00:11:28,355 Uh... it's very intimate. 245 00:11:28,438 --> 00:11:33,360 Um... I've always imagined myself as like a pipeline 246 00:11:33,443 --> 00:11:36,780 who carries a lot of necessary information, 247 00:11:36,864 --> 00:11:39,533 and I just feed it directly into her head. 248 00:11:39,867 --> 00:11:42,870 Man: Madam president, can I confirm you've waived executive privilege? 249 00:11:42,953 --> 00:11:43,954 Yes. 250 00:11:44,037 --> 00:11:47,374 Though it is no privilege to have to endure this investigation, 251 00:11:47,457 --> 00:11:48,500 I can tell you that. 252 00:11:48,584 --> 00:11:51,086 But I'm happy to assist in any way that I can. 253 00:11:51,169 --> 00:11:52,397 Woman: Can you tell me anything 254 00:11:52,421 --> 00:11:55,883 about the breach of federal data used in your campaign material? 255 00:11:57,301 --> 00:11:59,421 Man: You said that you'd help this inquiry in any way. 256 00:11:59,469 --> 00:12:01,680 Yes, and I have just then. Just... 257 00:12:01,763 --> 00:12:07,769 Did the president know about the lobbying against the families first bill? 258 00:12:09,688 --> 00:12:11,148 I'm a nobody. (Laughing) 259 00:12:13,150 --> 00:12:15,235 That's the truth. I'm a nobody. 260 00:12:15,319 --> 00:12:19,615 I'm just the guy that, like, whispers names to the president, 261 00:12:19,698 --> 00:12:21,074 and I tell her facts about people. 262 00:12:21,158 --> 00:12:22,951 So you're just a prompter? 263 00:12:25,162 --> 00:12:26,872 - (Whispers) - Uh-huh. 264 00:12:29,833 --> 00:12:32,753 I'm a man who prompts, that is correct. 265 00:12:32,836 --> 00:12:34,922 So all the talk of being the president's pipeline 266 00:12:35,005 --> 00:12:36,173 was just bigheadedness? 267 00:12:36,256 --> 00:12:38,050 Yeah. Yeah. 268 00:12:38,133 --> 00:12:41,011 I'm an arrogant man. (Chuckles nervously) 269 00:12:41,094 --> 00:12:45,599 I'm not a powerful, guilty, arrogant man. I'm an arrogant man. 270 00:12:45,682 --> 00:12:49,436 So you wouldn't have contact, in other words, with lobbyists? 271 00:12:49,519 --> 00:12:50,938 No. No. 272 00:12:51,688 --> 00:12:55,484 Actually, uh, Catherine's fiance, Jason, is a lobbyist, 273 00:12:55,567 --> 00:12:57,945 so at times, yeah. 274 00:12:58,028 --> 00:13:01,698 Really? Until now, he's been referred to as a consultant. 275 00:13:02,574 --> 00:13:04,034 Hmm. 276 00:13:04,117 --> 00:13:07,788 Woman: Are you concerned with your daughter being engaged to a lobbyist? 277 00:13:07,871 --> 00:13:09,331 No, not at all. 278 00:13:09,414 --> 00:13:12,709 And he's not actually a lobbyist. He's a consultant, so... 279 00:13:12,793 --> 00:13:17,339 Woman: But your bagman, Gary Walsh, referred to him as a lobbyist. 280 00:13:19,299 --> 00:13:23,679 Um, Gary has a very limited set of skills. Um... 281 00:13:24,513 --> 00:13:27,099 Mainly, I would say, they are picking objects up 282 00:13:27,182 --> 00:13:29,184 and then putting objects back down. 283 00:13:29,267 --> 00:13:31,478 Man: He said he takes care of your sanitary needs. 284 00:13:31,561 --> 00:13:33,105 Is that correct? 285 00:13:33,730 --> 00:13:36,233 Yeah... yeah... what? 286 00:13:36,316 --> 00:13:38,753 Man: You say your daughter's fiance, Mr. Read, is not a lobbyist, 287 00:13:38,777 --> 00:13:43,198 and yet the firm of merryman & cotter lists him under the title of lobbyist 288 00:13:43,281 --> 00:13:45,659 in the "our lobbyists" section of its website. 289 00:13:45,742 --> 00:13:47,679 Uh-huh. Well, that's their word. That's not my word. 290 00:13:47,703 --> 00:13:49,663 Woman: He is a lobbyist for Christian aid, oxfam, 291 00:13:49,746 --> 00:13:51,665 - the world health organization. - Mmm-hmm. 292 00:13:51,748 --> 00:13:54,751 Well, he sounds like a decent guy, whatever you want to call him. 293 00:13:54,835 --> 00:13:57,129 Man: Also lobbying for pharmaceutical companies, 294 00:13:57,212 --> 00:14:00,298 large it organizations, investment banks. 295 00:14:01,258 --> 00:14:03,844 Yes, my fiance is a lobbyist. 296 00:14:03,927 --> 00:14:06,346 Man: Does that present any difficulties in your relationship? 297 00:14:06,430 --> 00:14:07,848 Not apart from the fact that 298 00:14:07,931 --> 00:14:11,435 I am now sitting in a room with two strangers, talking about it on camera. 299 00:14:11,893 --> 00:14:14,062 Woman: You don't like being questioned? 300 00:14:14,146 --> 00:14:15,856 Not about my personal life, no, I don't. 301 00:14:15,939 --> 00:14:17,190 I mean, do you? 302 00:14:17,274 --> 00:14:20,360 Assuming that you have one. I don't see that you're wearing a ring, so... 303 00:14:20,444 --> 00:14:22,672 Woman: Miss meyer, you're gently reminded that this is a deposition. 304 00:14:22,696 --> 00:14:25,323 - I won't be as polite next time. - Um... 305 00:14:25,407 --> 00:14:27,534 I'm sorry. Can I please take a minute? 306 00:14:27,617 --> 00:14:29,703 - Man: Sure, yeah. Of course. - Thank you. 307 00:14:33,165 --> 00:14:35,792 I'm sorry about that. I just had to get a snack. 308 00:14:35,876 --> 00:14:37,878 My blood sugar was dropping, so... 309 00:14:37,961 --> 00:14:39,379 Man: That's okay. 310 00:14:40,338 --> 00:14:41,899 Man: Do you not see the conflict of interest? 311 00:14:41,923 --> 00:14:45,243 I mean, we are investigating direct links between lobbyists and your administration. 312 00:14:45,302 --> 00:14:47,405 - Yes, I see it. But I don't... - Man: Doesn't that concern you? 313 00:14:47,429 --> 00:14:52,893 If you would just let me finish my sentence, that would be very much appreciated. 314 00:14:52,976 --> 00:14:54,352 Uh, I do see it. 315 00:14:54,436 --> 00:15:00,567 It is also my understanding that they may no longer be engaged. 316 00:15:02,319 --> 00:15:04,321 Woman: They've split up? 317 00:15:08,283 --> 00:15:11,411 I think... they may have split up. 318 00:15:11,495 --> 00:15:12,537 In addition to that, 319 00:15:12,621 --> 00:15:17,501 I will say that I'm really not certain that Jack... Jason was ever right for Catherine. 320 00:15:17,584 --> 00:15:19,920 - Woman: But you just said that he was sweet. - Mmm-hmm. 321 00:15:20,003 --> 00:15:22,422 He can be sweet, uh, at one moment 322 00:15:22,506 --> 00:15:24,716 and then he can be very controlling in the next moment. 323 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:29,137 You know, lobbying for oxfam, or then lobbying for phrma. 324 00:15:29,221 --> 00:15:31,765 And I meant consulting. 325 00:15:31,848 --> 00:15:34,392 I have to go. I've got to call the president of Africa. 80... 326 00:15:34,476 --> 00:15:37,562 I mean, South Africa specifically, you know, so... 327 00:15:37,896 --> 00:15:39,314 (Gavel banging) 328 00:15:39,397 --> 00:15:44,694 Miss Wilson, it has been said of you that you could organize the d-day landings 329 00:15:44,778 --> 00:15:47,572 and still have time left over for iwo jima. 330 00:15:47,656 --> 00:15:50,951 And, unlike in reality, I would have gotten iwo jima right. 331 00:15:51,034 --> 00:15:55,205 And yet this meeting between the president and congressman Pierce, 332 00:15:55,288 --> 00:15:57,874 you have no record of that in your schedule. 333 00:15:57,958 --> 00:16:02,212 Congressman Pierce was not disposed in a manner that was indicative of a meeting. 334 00:16:02,295 --> 00:16:05,048 I literally have no idea what that sentence means. 335 00:16:05,132 --> 00:16:06,133 There's a difference 336 00:16:06,216 --> 00:16:08,152 between meeting someone and having a meeting with them. 337 00:16:08,176 --> 00:16:11,304 I mean, I once met Bill Gates, but I didn't have a "meeting" with him. 338 00:16:11,388 --> 00:16:14,141 We keep meticulous, exhaustive records 339 00:16:14,224 --> 00:16:17,978 of emails, voice memos, text messages, letters... 340 00:16:18,061 --> 00:16:21,106 Chairman, chairman, we have all the emails, letters, texts, 341 00:16:21,189 --> 00:16:24,860 but you mentioned voice memos, miss Wilson. 342 00:16:27,237 --> 00:16:28,280 Yes. 343 00:16:29,072 --> 00:16:32,450 Well, we have many forms of communication. 344 00:16:33,577 --> 00:16:36,997 None of which you seem to be able to master at the present moment. 345 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:38,957 Well, I wasn't responsible for the voice memos. 346 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,751 - So who would know about... - Mike mclintock. 347 00:16:42,252 --> 00:16:44,212 (Indistinct conversations) 348 00:16:47,090 --> 00:16:48,425 (Cameras clicking) 349 00:16:53,263 --> 00:16:54,514 (Gavel banging) 350 00:16:54,598 --> 00:16:57,684 Mr. Mclintock, please rise and raise your right hand. 351 00:16:58,852 --> 00:17:01,980 Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you're about to give 352 00:17:02,063 --> 00:17:05,650 is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you god? 353 00:17:05,734 --> 00:17:08,486 So help me god. I do. 354 00:17:08,570 --> 00:17:10,530 We have a witness go on record 355 00:17:10,614 --> 00:17:14,034 saying that they saw you in the white house parking lot 356 00:17:14,117 --> 00:17:17,537 with Mr. Egan, miss brookheimer, and senator Pierce. 357 00:17:17,621 --> 00:17:19,539 That's correct. 358 00:17:19,623 --> 00:17:22,918 I ran into them by chance 359 00:17:23,001 --> 00:17:27,881 because I was merely getting something from my car. 360 00:17:27,964 --> 00:17:29,049 What were you getting? 361 00:17:29,132 --> 00:17:30,217 I'm sorry? 362 00:17:30,300 --> 00:17:31,301 What were you getting? 363 00:17:31,843 --> 00:17:35,180 Uh... I was getting some medicine. 364 00:17:35,263 --> 00:17:36,431 What kind of medicine? 365 00:17:38,141 --> 00:17:40,060 It's knee medicine. 366 00:17:40,143 --> 00:17:42,395 Knee medicine? 367 00:17:42,479 --> 00:17:44,397 Yeah, knee medicine. 368 00:17:44,481 --> 00:17:47,734 For one of... just one of my knees. 369 00:17:47,817 --> 00:17:48,860 Which one? 370 00:17:48,944 --> 00:17:50,737 Which knee? 371 00:17:50,820 --> 00:17:53,740 My left knee, your honor, sir. 372 00:17:53,823 --> 00:17:56,493 My left knee. I have problems with my left knee. 373 00:17:56,785 --> 00:17:59,120 Um... it hurts when I crouch. 374 00:17:59,204 --> 00:18:00,580 What was the name of the medicine? 375 00:18:00,872 --> 00:18:03,833 Um, I want to say, it's called... 376 00:18:05,794 --> 00:18:07,629 Crouch cream. 377 00:18:09,005 --> 00:18:10,215 But that's not right. 378 00:18:10,298 --> 00:18:14,010 It's a white tube with a red label. 379 00:18:14,094 --> 00:18:17,889 I'm sure an intern could research this. It has a silhouette of a horse on it. 380 00:18:17,973 --> 00:18:19,693 And I don't know why the horse is on there. 381 00:18:19,724 --> 00:18:22,560 I guess horses probably have good knees, so... 382 00:18:22,644 --> 00:18:25,981 Um... but I think it's called... Uh... 383 00:18:26,898 --> 00:18:29,526 (Gulps) Knee-z. Knee-z cream. 384 00:18:30,402 --> 00:18:32,445 I don't think that's it. It's searchable. 385 00:18:32,529 --> 00:18:34,823 I'm very positive. 386 00:18:34,906 --> 00:18:38,660 Thank you for allowing me to attend to presidential matters. 387 00:18:38,743 --> 00:18:41,538 Woman: We still wish to consider the outstanding issues 388 00:18:41,621 --> 00:18:43,456 concerning your daughter and Mr. Read. 389 00:18:43,540 --> 00:18:45,834 Who have definitely split up. 390 00:18:45,917 --> 00:18:49,421 I'm quite undone. I'm really upset. 391 00:18:50,964 --> 00:18:54,384 I had grown quite fond of clear Jason. 392 00:18:54,467 --> 00:18:56,195 Woman: You've said he's too old for your daughter 393 00:18:56,219 --> 00:18:59,139 and that he can be controlling and that he has two personalities. 394 00:18:59,222 --> 00:19:01,808 I have a statement I'm going to read. 395 00:19:03,101 --> 00:19:05,145 I am sad to confirm the end 396 00:19:05,228 --> 00:19:09,399 of my daughter Catherine's engagement to Jason read. 397 00:19:09,482 --> 00:19:10,984 This was for personal reasons, 398 00:19:11,067 --> 00:19:15,655 unconnected to the ongoing inquiries into my administration 399 00:19:15,739 --> 00:19:20,493 other than the strain said inquiries brought upon their relationship. 400 00:19:21,369 --> 00:19:26,416 This may be a good day for truth, but a sad day for love. 401 00:19:27,500 --> 00:19:29,961 You recommended an app for the president, did you not? 402 00:19:30,045 --> 00:19:31,171 Yes, ma 'am. 403 00:19:31,254 --> 00:19:34,382 Could you demonstrate how the app works on your phone? 404 00:19:34,466 --> 00:19:36,384 Yes, I'd be happy to. (Chuckles) 405 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,847 So you go to your home screen, it's called. Um, remember that. 406 00:19:40,930 --> 00:19:43,892 And now you have to send it to someone. So I could send it to... 407 00:19:45,518 --> 00:19:46,746 You want to give me your number? 408 00:19:46,770 --> 00:19:48,370 - Or I I! Just send it to myself. - Fine. 409 00:19:48,396 --> 00:19:51,024 So, now, all I do is, uh, 410 00:19:51,107 --> 00:19:55,070 appropriately touch the icon for record. 411 00:19:55,153 --> 00:19:56,863 And... hey, Mike, it's Mike. 412 00:19:59,908 --> 00:20:03,495 You're probably not going to get this 'cause you're in the hearings, 413 00:20:03,578 --> 00:20:06,373 but I just wanted to tell you... 414 00:20:06,456 --> 00:20:09,084 - That's quite enough. - I've got to go, Mike. 415 00:20:09,167 --> 00:20:11,961 And then you just press "send." 416 00:20:13,129 --> 00:20:15,757 And it should instantly appear on my memo app. 417 00:20:17,675 --> 00:20:19,302 Which it's not doing. 418 00:20:19,386 --> 00:20:21,054 Um, I don't know why. 419 00:20:21,137 --> 00:20:24,933 Um, I guess that's why they say, "don't work with animals or technology." 420 00:20:25,016 --> 00:20:27,060 I mean, that's why jaws was such a nightmare shoot. 421 00:20:27,143 --> 00:20:29,729 I mean, mechanical shark? Forget it. 422 00:20:29,813 --> 00:20:31,773 (Laughing) 423 00:20:31,856 --> 00:20:34,484 Oh, knee free. That's the cream. 424 00:20:34,567 --> 00:20:36,967 - Knee free, if you... okay, here it is. - (Cell phone dings) 425 00:20:38,154 --> 00:20:41,324 And... hey, Mike. It's Mike. Um... 426 00:20:41,408 --> 00:20:45,537 You're probably not going to get this 'cause you're in the hearings, but... 427 00:20:45,620 --> 00:20:46,621 Pretty good clarity. 428 00:20:46,704 --> 00:20:49,082 Could we hear some of the messages that the president sent? 429 00:20:49,165 --> 00:20:52,252 No, because I deleted them. They're deleted. 430 00:20:52,836 --> 00:20:58,216 I mean, truthfully, these things were just her talking about advil and lemons. 431 00:20:58,299 --> 00:21:00,885 Well, we'll see how many when we listen to them. 432 00:21:00,969 --> 00:21:02,178 Sadly, sir, I deleted those. 433 00:21:02,262 --> 00:21:05,098 Yeah, but they still exist in the cloud, as I'm sure you're aware. 434 00:21:08,226 --> 00:21:11,396 Selina: Ben, are Dan and Amy on course? 435 00:21:11,479 --> 00:21:12,772 (Coughing) 436 00:21:12,856 --> 00:21:14,190 It can't happen. 437 00:21:14,274 --> 00:21:17,026 Well, that could be about anything. 438 00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:19,404 Probably about them... 439 00:21:19,487 --> 00:21:20,572 You know... um... 440 00:21:21,906 --> 00:21:22,949 Mating. 441 00:21:23,032 --> 00:21:24,659 And, "it can't happen "? 442 00:21:24,742 --> 00:21:28,455 "It can't happen that we lose this vote." 443 00:21:29,789 --> 00:21:31,249 Or is that too far-fetched for you? 444 00:21:31,332 --> 00:21:33,084 Well, why did she mention it, then? 445 00:21:33,168 --> 00:21:34,461 Well, she was feverish. 446 00:21:34,544 --> 00:21:36,921 So you're saying she wasn't in a fit state to govern? 447 00:21:37,005 --> 00:21:39,215 No, I'm not saying that. 448 00:21:39,299 --> 00:21:43,136 If I was saying that, then that's what I would have said. 449 00:21:43,219 --> 00:21:47,932 I mean, why are you throwing pebbles at a tank? Stop. 450 00:21:48,016 --> 00:21:52,937 You know, that lady, she could govern herself through leprosy. 451 00:21:53,021 --> 00:21:54,457 Man: How would you characterize your friendship 452 00:21:54,481 --> 00:21:56,107 with congresswoman Bennett? 453 00:21:57,609 --> 00:22:02,322 Well, I wouldn't say that we're friends. I would say that we are friendly. 454 00:22:02,405 --> 00:22:03,948 Man: So she's not on the committee 455 00:22:04,032 --> 00:22:07,452 to steer them away from issues that might be uncomfortable for you? 456 00:22:07,535 --> 00:22:09,078 No. Mmm-hmm. 457 00:22:09,162 --> 00:22:12,957 I'm president. I don't have time for friends. 458 00:22:13,041 --> 00:22:18,671 Madam president, it was you who appointed a special prosecutor, 459 00:22:18,755 --> 00:22:20,757 and we are the team under your appointee. 460 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,509 Yeah, well, there you go. 461 00:22:22,592 --> 00:22:23,843 (Gavel banging) 462 00:22:23,927 --> 00:22:26,638 Mr. Ryan, it has come to this committee's attention 463 00:22:26,721 --> 00:22:32,727 that you suffered some emotional issues during the run-up to the families first bill. 464 00:22:37,690 --> 00:22:39,192 I was touched. 465 00:22:39,275 --> 00:22:40,693 Who touched you? 466 00:22:40,777 --> 00:22:43,780 Uh... I would rather not say at this time. 467 00:22:44,572 --> 00:22:45,573 Or any. 468 00:22:45,657 --> 00:22:47,367 Can you give us a reason why? 469 00:22:47,450 --> 00:22:51,454 Uh, excuse me for one moment. I just have a very... a very dry mouth. 470 00:22:53,998 --> 00:22:56,084 Setting their identity aside... 471 00:22:58,795 --> 00:23:03,216 Setting their identity aside, where did this person touch you? 472 00:23:08,346 --> 00:23:10,682 He touched me in a private place. 473 00:23:10,765 --> 00:23:13,184 Can you be more specific? Was it the buttocks? 474 00:23:14,143 --> 00:23:15,853 No. No. 475 00:23:19,148 --> 00:23:20,483 It was... 476 00:23:21,109 --> 00:23:22,360 It was around the other side. 477 00:23:22,443 --> 00:23:23,653 The crotch, presumably. 478 00:23:23,736 --> 00:23:27,740 Was there ever any contact between testicles and hands? 479 00:23:27,824 --> 00:23:32,412 Okay, listen, I thought that this was supposed to be about lobbying. 480 00:23:32,495 --> 00:23:34,831 And it seems clear that the congresswoman 481 00:23:34,914 --> 00:23:38,876 is pulling focus away from the main concern of this panel. 482 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:43,214 Similarly with miss brookheimer's dress. 483 00:23:44,090 --> 00:23:46,050 She can't have believed that this would work. 484 00:23:46,134 --> 00:23:48,011 She never looks this humble. 485 00:23:48,094 --> 00:23:50,430 I'm not... I'm not sure what you're referring to, Mr. Ryan. 486 00:23:50,513 --> 00:23:53,016 This is my everyday attire. 487 00:23:53,099 --> 00:23:55,560 And I apologize if it offends you, but... 488 00:23:55,643 --> 00:23:58,271 But you saw what she just did with the... 489 00:23:58,354 --> 00:23:59,397 I mean, you saw that. 490 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,859 She is playing you like a cheap... 491 00:24:02,942 --> 00:24:04,652 - Ben n ett: Careful. - Like an Xbox. 492 00:24:04,736 --> 00:24:07,989 Mr. Ryan, trust me, no one is playing us. We are unplayable. 493 00:24:08,072 --> 00:24:10,783 I 'd like to hear more on the charges of molestation. 494 00:24:10,867 --> 00:24:12,452 Go ahead. 495 00:24:12,535 --> 00:24:16,873 Was there ever any contact between testicles and hands? 496 00:24:17,707 --> 00:24:19,584 No. Never. 497 00:24:19,667 --> 00:24:22,795 My... spheres 498 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,048 were always clothed. 499 00:24:25,131 --> 00:24:26,591 I was in the workplace, so I... 500 00:24:26,674 --> 00:24:28,468 Did he always grope both testicles? 501 00:24:28,551 --> 00:24:31,971 I'm sorry, but can I be asked that question by a male committee member? 502 00:24:32,055 --> 00:24:34,140 No, I asked the question. 503 00:24:34,223 --> 00:24:36,017 I'm sorry. I forgot the question. 504 00:24:36,100 --> 00:24:38,728 Uh, did your abuser touch both of your testicles? 505 00:24:40,146 --> 00:24:42,523 - Thank you, Mr. Egan. - Sure. 506 00:24:42,607 --> 00:24:45,151 Who else was aware of this during your time at the white house? 507 00:24:45,234 --> 00:24:47,570 I... I also saw it. 508 00:24:47,945 --> 00:24:49,238 (Stammers) 509 00:24:49,322 --> 00:24:51,574 I can't stop... I can't stop thinking about it. 510 00:24:51,658 --> 00:24:54,994 It's, you know... it's like a bell. It can't be UN-rung. 511 00:24:55,078 --> 00:24:56,496 Where did you see it happen? 512 00:24:56,579 --> 00:24:58,081 It was around the spheres. 513 00:24:58,164 --> 00:24:59,999 I meant what area of the workplace. 514 00:25:00,083 --> 00:25:02,001 Oh, yes. No, I'm sorry. Yes. 515 00:25:02,085 --> 00:25:04,754 Uh, it was in a hallway. 516 00:25:04,837 --> 00:25:05,922 Uh, same time as Dan. 517 00:25:06,005 --> 00:25:08,925 In fact, he was coming to fire Jonah as a scapegoat 518 00:25:09,008 --> 00:25:11,552 for the child-mortality data breach. Oh! 519 00:25:11,636 --> 00:25:14,972 - Okay, there's no further questions. - Wait, wait, wait, wait... 520 00:25:15,056 --> 00:25:17,767 Can you repeat that, Mr. Splett? 521 00:25:17,850 --> 00:25:20,788 Uh... actually, I'd like to plead the fifth. I'd like to plead the fifth, please. 522 00:25:20,812 --> 00:25:23,749 - Mr. Splett, can you repeat... - I think that it is important that we hear... 523 00:25:23,773 --> 00:25:25,292 Can you repeat what you just said, Mr. Splett? 524 00:25:25,316 --> 00:25:27,419 - We were investigating a serious allegation... - Congresswoman. 525 00:25:27,443 --> 00:25:29,070 - Of abuse in the... - Please! 526 00:25:29,153 --> 00:25:30,881 Can you repeat what you just said, Mr. Splett? 527 00:25:30,905 --> 00:25:32,824 Yes, I can. I'd like to plead the fifth. 528 00:25:32,907 --> 00:25:34,701 - Before that. - Okay. Uh... 529 00:25:34,784 --> 00:25:38,955 I think I mistakenly said that 530 00:25:39,038 --> 00:25:42,583 Dan was scapegoating Jonah for the child-mortality data breach. 531 00:25:42,667 --> 00:25:46,295 Can you tell us who was responsible for the data breach, Mr. Cafferty? 532 00:25:47,922 --> 00:25:50,425 But you do know who was responsible? 533 00:25:52,468 --> 00:25:56,097 Can you tell us anything at all about said data breach? 534 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,451 Are you gonna continue to answer every question 535 00:25:59,475 --> 00:26:01,144 with a one-word answer, Mr. Cafferty? 536 00:26:04,564 --> 00:26:06,065 I am not. 537 00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:07,692 Wallace: Okay, that means nothing. 538 00:26:07,775 --> 00:26:11,904 We need a name or this administration is in big trouble. 539 00:26:11,988 --> 00:26:13,990 Man: Gary Walsh, any thoughts? 540 00:26:15,533 --> 00:26:17,535 (Scoffs) I don't know who that is. 541 00:26:17,618 --> 00:26:19,746 - Who... Gary? - Man: Walsh. 542 00:26:20,329 --> 00:26:22,165 Oh, the... yeah. (Laughing) 543 00:26:22,248 --> 00:26:26,043 Man: Senator, do you think it's possible Gary Walsh was responsible 544 00:26:26,127 --> 00:26:29,130 for making payments to Mr. Egan and miss brookheimer 545 00:26:29,213 --> 00:26:31,716 - to lobby against the families first bill? - (Chuckles) 546 00:26:31,799 --> 00:26:33,217 (Laughing) 547 00:26:33,301 --> 00:26:36,053 Forgive me for laughing at the notion. 548 00:26:36,137 --> 00:26:40,266 Gary Walsh, you need to understand, is a 12-year-old boy 549 00:26:40,349 --> 00:26:43,227 trapped in the body of a 12-year-old girl. 550 00:26:43,311 --> 00:26:46,063 Woman: Did you contact Amy brookheimer and Daniel Clifford egan, 551 00:26:46,147 --> 00:26:49,233 after they had left the white house, with regard to the families first bill? 552 00:26:49,317 --> 00:26:50,318 I did. 553 00:26:50,401 --> 00:26:51,819 Did you agree to pay them 554 00:26:51,903 --> 00:26:53,983 to lobby against the bill on behalf of the president? 555 00:26:54,030 --> 00:26:56,532 Nope. Nope, nope, nope. No, I did not. 556 00:26:56,616 --> 00:26:58,993 Man: So did somebody else make this arrangement... 557 00:26:59,076 --> 00:27:00,119 Bill ericsson. 558 00:27:00,203 --> 00:27:01,847 - Man: Will you let me finish my question? - Mmm-hmm. 559 00:27:01,871 --> 00:27:04,874 Man: Someone else arranged to make such a payment? 560 00:27:04,957 --> 00:27:06,209 Yes. 561 00:27:08,085 --> 00:27:10,254 - Woman: Who was it? - Bill. 562 00:27:12,006 --> 00:27:13,299 Woman: Bill... 563 00:27:17,512 --> 00:27:19,931 Ericsson. 564 00:27:20,014 --> 00:27:24,060 It was the director of communications. Bill ericsson. 565 00:27:24,143 --> 00:27:26,854 Man: You haven't been asked to say ericsson, have you? 566 00:27:29,398 --> 00:27:33,569 I believe that bill ericsson would have been overseeing that aspect. 567 00:27:33,653 --> 00:27:35,446 - Bill ericsson. - Bill ericsson. 568 00:27:35,571 --> 00:27:37,323 - Mr. Bill ericsson. - Bill ericsson. 569 00:27:37,782 --> 00:27:38,783 Yes, bill ericsson. 570 00:27:38,866 --> 00:27:39,866 You listen to me. 571 00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:42,662 I got into politics because I have a very clear sense, 572 00:27:42,745 --> 00:27:46,499 a burning sense of what is right and what is good, all right? 573 00:27:46,582 --> 00:27:49,418 I'm not an attorney, I don't point the finger, I don't lay blame. 574 00:27:49,502 --> 00:27:51,254 That's not who I am. 575 00:27:53,256 --> 00:27:55,132 But in answer to your question, yes, 576 00:27:55,216 --> 00:28:00,680 bill ericsson used misappropriated funds to lobby against the president's bill. 577 00:28:00,763 --> 00:28:02,014 This is a nightmare. 578 00:28:02,098 --> 00:28:04,183 I'm probably gonna be facing criminal charges. 579 00:28:04,267 --> 00:28:06,519 - You consider yourself innocent? - I am innocent. 580 00:28:06,602 --> 00:28:07,746 Do you want me to take off my shirt 581 00:28:07,770 --> 00:28:10,370 so that you can see all the knife handles sticking out of my back? 582 00:28:10,606 --> 00:28:12,024 Where is congresswoman Bennett? 583 00:28:12,108 --> 00:28:13,526 She is absent. 584 00:28:13,609 --> 00:28:17,029 Yes, I got that. I took noticing in high school. 585 00:28:17,113 --> 00:28:21,033 I think the real issue now is bill ericsson 586 00:28:21,117 --> 00:28:24,871 and what he may have done or what he may not have done 587 00:28:24,954 --> 00:28:30,293 and how his rogue actions did or did not affect so many lives. 588 00:28:30,918 --> 00:28:34,255 But that is, of course, for you to determine yourselves. 589 00:28:34,338 --> 00:28:38,175 You're only doing what they want you to do. You are aware of that, right? 590 00:28:38,259 --> 00:28:41,512 It's like I'm on the sacrificial altar, and suddenly, everyone is wearing hoods. 591 00:28:41,596 --> 00:28:44,432 The other day you had fun with my size 592 00:28:44,515 --> 00:28:47,852 and the nicknames that you gave me about my size. 593 00:28:47,935 --> 00:28:49,478 Tall McCartney. 594 00:28:50,062 --> 00:28:51,898 Skyscraper. 595 00:28:51,981 --> 00:28:54,650 But Jonah Ryan is strong. 596 00:28:55,484 --> 00:28:59,196 And if Jonah Ryan can help one man 597 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,325 who is dealing with workplace sexual harassment, 598 00:29:02,408 --> 00:29:06,120 then this entire ordeal will have been worth it. 599 00:29:06,203 --> 00:29:08,915 - Watch this space. Thank you. Thank you. - (Applause) 600 00:29:08,998 --> 00:29:10,458 (Gavel banging) 601 00:29:10,541 --> 00:29:11,977 You know, there are probably fairer trials 602 00:29:12,001 --> 00:29:13,854 happening right now in the back of parking lots, 603 00:29:13,878 --> 00:29:16,047 where the defendant is wearing a mailbag on his head. 604 00:29:16,130 --> 00:29:18,007 Woman: Please raise your right hand. 605 00:29:19,050 --> 00:29:21,969 - Woman: Your right hand. - Sorry, I was practicing in the mirror. 606 00:29:22,053 --> 00:29:24,931 Woman: Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you're about to give 607 00:29:25,014 --> 00:29:28,893 is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you god? 608 00:29:28,976 --> 00:29:32,021 Absolutely. Excited to do it.