1 00:00:02,503 --> 00:00:03,587 Previously on "The Girl From Plainville"... 2 00:00:03,587 --> 00:00:04,713 - What do you think dying is like? 3 00:00:04,713 --> 00:00:06,506 - Just like floating on water. 4 00:00:06,506 --> 00:00:08,717 - Your client sent those text messages, Mr. Cataldo. 5 00:00:08,717 --> 00:00:10,761 It's all right there in the indictment. 6 00:00:10,761 --> 00:00:12,346 A grand jury has indicted Michelle 7 00:00:12,346 --> 00:00:13,805 for involuntary manslaughter. 8 00:00:13,805 --> 00:00:17,768 - Can you read that for me out loud, please? 9 00:00:18,602 --> 00:00:20,562 - "Why don't you just drink bleach?" 10 00:00:20,562 --> 00:00:22,564 - Natalie Gibson and Cassie Wilkins 11 00:00:22,564 --> 00:00:24,149 on the witness list, all relevant? 12 00:00:24,149 --> 00:00:25,275 - Yes, Your Honor. 13 00:00:25,275 --> 00:00:27,527 - The lawyer said we can't talk to you. 14 00:00:27,527 --> 00:00:29,363 - We'd like you to testify at trial. 15 00:00:29,363 --> 00:00:31,615 - What about Co? He'll testify too? 16 00:00:31,615 --> 00:00:33,325 - Defense would bring up the incident-- 17 00:00:33,325 --> 00:00:35,536 the assault on your son. 18 00:00:35,536 --> 00:00:37,788 I just have all these issues 19 00:00:37,788 --> 00:00:40,290 with my body image. 20 00:00:40,290 --> 00:00:42,626 I'm thinking I need to go somewhere to get help. 21 00:00:44,127 --> 00:00:45,963 It's consuming my life. 22 00:01:23,250 --> 00:01:24,626 Lynn, do you believe Michelle Carter 23 00:01:24,626 --> 00:01:25,961 murdered your son? 24 00:01:27,462 --> 00:01:28,964 Lynn! 25 00:01:32,634 --> 00:01:34,761 What are your hopes for the trial? 26 00:01:34,761 --> 00:01:36,555 Can you tell us anything? 27 00:01:37,723 --> 00:01:39,182 Jesus. 28 00:01:41,602 --> 00:01:44,187 - You okay? - Yeah. 29 00:01:52,112 --> 00:01:54,323 "Hopes for the trial." 30 00:01:54,323 --> 00:01:56,283 Who asks something like that? 31 00:02:06,918 --> 00:02:09,338 - Hey, honey. You okay? 32 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:16,762 All rise. 33 00:02:21,558 --> 00:02:23,060 - Please sit. 34 00:02:25,937 --> 00:02:28,815 Um, before we begin, is there any business 35 00:02:28,815 --> 00:02:31,693 either counsel would like to handle before jury selection? 36 00:02:32,986 --> 00:02:35,280 - No, Your Honor. - Yes, Your Honor. 37 00:02:38,283 --> 00:02:41,161 Your Honor, uh, we would like to request 38 00:02:41,161 --> 00:02:43,413 a motion for a bench trial. 39 00:02:44,331 --> 00:02:45,666 You're sure, Counselor? 40 00:02:45,666 --> 00:02:47,042 Yes, Your Honor. 41 00:02:47,042 --> 00:02:48,627 - Miss Carter, could you approach the stand? 42 00:02:48,627 --> 00:02:50,712 I'd like to hear this for myself. 43 00:03:18,532 --> 00:03:20,283 Go ahead and raise your right hand. 44 00:03:20,283 --> 00:03:22,119 Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, 45 00:03:22,119 --> 00:03:24,121 and nothing but the truth, so help you God? 46 00:03:24,121 --> 00:03:25,122 - I do. 47 00:03:25,122 --> 00:03:26,123 - You can lower your hand. 48 00:03:26,123 --> 00:03:27,666 Take a seat. 49 00:03:32,462 --> 00:03:34,714 Could you state your full name and age? 50 00:03:36,633 --> 00:03:39,636 - Michelle Diana Carter, 20. 51 00:03:39,636 --> 00:03:41,179 - So you understand, Miss Carter, 52 00:03:41,179 --> 00:03:43,890 that you're fully entitled under the Constitution 53 00:03:43,890 --> 00:03:46,893 to a jury of your own peers to decide whether or not, 54 00:03:46,893 --> 00:03:49,354 in fact, you're guilty of this crime? 55 00:03:52,107 --> 00:03:53,483 - Yes. 56 00:03:53,483 --> 00:03:54,901 Has anyone promised you anything 57 00:03:54,901 --> 00:03:56,111 or threatened you in any way 58 00:03:56,111 --> 00:03:58,780 to make you forgo your right to a jury trial? 59 00:04:01,992 --> 00:04:03,827 - No, Your Honor. No. 60 00:04:03,827 --> 00:04:05,745 - Thank you. You may step down. 61 00:04:14,754 --> 00:04:18,091 - The judge is now going to exclusively decide the case. 62 00:04:18,091 --> 00:04:19,968 - What about the jury? 63 00:04:19,968 --> 00:04:22,471 - She just decided there isn't one. 64 00:04:23,805 --> 00:04:25,724 The prospective jurors are dismissed. 65 00:04:25,724 --> 00:04:27,893 The court thanks you for your time. 66 00:04:27,893 --> 00:04:30,145 Unless there's any other outstanding business 67 00:04:30,145 --> 00:04:31,646 to take care of? 68 00:04:31,646 --> 00:04:32,731 Okay. 69 00:04:34,691 --> 00:04:38,361 - How much does this affect your opening statement? 70 00:04:38,361 --> 00:04:42,449 - Well, it starts with ladies and gentlemen of the jury, so... 71 00:04:43,825 --> 00:04:46,161 - Did I do okay? 72 00:04:46,161 --> 00:04:48,330 - Yeah. Yeah, you did just fine, Michelle. 73 00:04:48,330 --> 00:04:51,958 We will reconvene here tomorrow at 9:00 a. m. 74 00:05:05,263 --> 00:05:09,643 - This is Conrad Henry Roy III. 75 00:05:11,061 --> 00:05:12,646 Conra-- 76 00:05:27,786 --> 00:05:31,289 This is Conrad Henry Roy III... 77 00:05:33,416 --> 00:05:34,793 Reporting to you live 78 00:05:34,793 --> 00:05:36,962 right here from Mattapoisett, Mass. 79 00:05:40,298 --> 00:05:42,551 I'm 5'10", 165 pounds, 80 00:05:42,551 --> 00:05:45,387 and I struggle with anxiety almost all the time. 81 00:06:24,926 --> 00:06:26,636 You're set. 82 00:06:26,636 --> 00:06:28,597 Breakfast is served at 8:00 a. m. sharp. 83 00:06:28,597 --> 00:06:30,015 After that, you see your therapist, 84 00:06:30,015 --> 00:06:32,767 then you spend time outside-- monitored, of course. 85 00:06:32,767 --> 00:06:34,728 Lunch is at 1:00. Dinner at 6:00. 86 00:06:34,728 --> 00:06:39,232 Lights out at 9:00. Doors stay open always. 87 00:06:39,232 --> 00:06:42,152 You do your own laundry and clean your own room. 88 00:06:42,152 --> 00:06:44,362 Your mother does not live here. 89 00:06:44,362 --> 00:06:45,947 Your phone. 90 00:06:48,450 --> 00:06:49,534 - Really? 91 00:06:49,534 --> 00:06:51,620 Yes, ma'am. Protocol. 92 00:06:51,620 --> 00:06:53,705 We give it to your parents on visiting day. 93 00:06:53,705 --> 00:06:55,999 You get it back from them when you go home. 94 00:07:04,090 --> 00:07:06,676 You've been restricting and binging since 2011? 95 00:07:08,678 --> 00:07:11,973 No laxatives, no purging, no diet pills. 96 00:07:11,973 --> 00:07:13,933 Excessive exercise? 97 00:07:19,230 --> 00:07:22,275 Still taking the Celexa daily? 98 00:07:22,275 --> 00:07:23,777 No. 99 00:07:23,777 --> 00:07:26,237 What are you taking now? 100 00:07:26,237 --> 00:07:27,906 Nothing. 101 00:07:41,002 --> 00:07:43,713 As each of you draw how you see yourself, 102 00:07:43,713 --> 00:07:45,507 tell me how it makes you feel. 103 00:08:07,195 --> 00:08:09,114 "He got scared, 104 00:08:09,114 --> 00:08:11,700 and I fucking told him to get back in." 105 00:08:11,700 --> 00:08:14,994 The defendant's own words, Your Honor-- 106 00:08:14,994 --> 00:08:18,832 17-year-old Michelle Carter, who, for weeks, 107 00:08:18,832 --> 00:08:22,127 badgered and berated her depressed boyfriend, 108 00:08:22,127 --> 00:08:24,879 Conrad Roy, 18 years old, 109 00:08:24,879 --> 00:08:27,215 into killing himself. 110 00:08:27,215 --> 00:08:29,676 Your Honor, this is not a homicide case. 111 00:08:29,676 --> 00:08:32,429 This is a suicide case on Mr. Roy's 112 00:08:32,429 --> 00:08:35,056 ultimately successful second suicide attempt. 113 00:08:35,056 --> 00:08:38,184 When Conrad tried to take his life the first time, 114 00:08:38,184 --> 00:08:42,605 he called a friend and lived to see another day. 115 00:08:42,605 --> 00:08:45,525 When he tried to kill himself the second time, 116 00:08:45,525 --> 00:08:47,360 he called the defendant, 117 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,362 who ordered him back in the truck 118 00:08:49,362 --> 00:08:53,908 and listened as he took his last breath and died. 119 00:08:53,908 --> 00:08:55,702 - Conrad Roy's internet searches will prove 120 00:08:55,702 --> 00:08:57,787 that he was suicidal, 121 00:08:57,787 --> 00:08:59,831 that he wanted to take his own life, 122 00:08:59,831 --> 00:09:01,416 and that it was his choice. 123 00:09:01,416 --> 00:09:03,626 - She put him in that car that night. 124 00:09:03,626 --> 00:09:06,755 - She was 30 miles away. 125 00:09:06,755 --> 00:09:09,507 - Her behavior was wanton and reckless, 126 00:09:09,507 --> 00:09:13,094 and as a result, Conrad Roy is dead. 127 00:09:13,094 --> 00:09:15,388 Now if somebody wants to support 128 00:09:15,388 --> 00:09:17,098 an individual in a suicide, 129 00:09:17,098 --> 00:09:18,767 in the state of Massachusetts, that's not a crime. 130 00:09:18,767 --> 00:09:20,727 Your Honor, by the end of this trial... 131 00:09:20,727 --> 00:09:21,936 We ask... 132 00:09:21,936 --> 00:09:23,396 That you find Michelle Carter 133 00:09:23,396 --> 00:09:25,940 guilty of involuntary manslaughter. 134 00:09:25,940 --> 00:09:28,693 - Not guilty of involuntary manslaughter. 135 00:09:28,693 --> 00:09:30,528 - Thank you. - Thank you. 136 00:09:35,950 --> 00:09:38,912 - The Commonwealth may call their first witness. 137 00:09:44,292 --> 00:09:45,919 - Stop. 138 00:09:45,919 --> 00:09:48,296 - It's nice. We should do the photo. 139 00:09:48,296 --> 00:09:49,547 - On the count of three, say Brady. 140 00:09:49,547 --> 00:09:52,425 - Smile. - One, two, three. 141 00:09:52,425 --> 00:09:54,135 - Brady! - Tommy boy! 142 00:09:54,135 --> 00:09:57,347 - Ha ha ha. Let's get outta here. 143 00:09:57,347 --> 00:09:59,057 - Here, you can hold onto that? 144 00:09:59,057 --> 00:10:01,101 'Cause you'll never get one. 145 00:10:03,645 --> 00:10:05,605 - Uh--upp, upp, upp. 146 00:10:05,605 --> 00:10:08,233 So? 147 00:10:08,233 --> 00:10:12,153 - I was actually-- I was gonna hold off. 148 00:10:14,155 --> 00:10:16,324 - There's no time like the present. 149 00:10:16,324 --> 00:10:18,034 Come on, it's your family. 150 00:10:22,247 --> 00:10:25,041 Everybody, Coco has an announcement 151 00:10:25,041 --> 00:10:26,709 that he'd like to make. 152 00:10:28,711 --> 00:10:30,672 - Yeah, um... 153 00:10:33,133 --> 00:10:35,927 I got my captain's license from NMI. 154 00:10:35,927 --> 00:10:36,970 Oh, jeez! 155 00:10:36,970 --> 00:10:39,264 Are you shitting me? 156 00:10:39,264 --> 00:10:41,099 Captain! 157 00:10:41,099 --> 00:10:43,059 - Did you know about this? - Ha ha ha! 158 00:10:43,059 --> 00:10:44,394 - Of course not. 159 00:10:59,284 --> 00:11:00,994 Where'd he go? 160 00:11:36,696 --> 00:11:38,781 - Why didn't you tell me? 161 00:11:40,074 --> 00:11:43,786 - I'm didn't want to make a big deal of it in case I failed. 162 00:11:43,786 --> 00:11:45,622 - When'd you find out? 163 00:11:47,624 --> 00:11:49,542 - Couple weeks ago. 164 00:11:50,877 --> 00:11:53,296 - Hey, I'm proud of you. 165 00:11:53,296 --> 00:11:55,632 I ain't been this proud since we built 166 00:11:55,632 --> 00:11:57,759 this fucking thing, huh? 167 00:12:00,887 --> 00:12:03,348 - I guess I can retire now, huh? 168 00:12:03,348 --> 00:12:05,350 Leave the business in good hands? 169 00:12:05,350 --> 00:12:07,894 Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. 170 00:12:07,894 --> 00:12:09,854 - What? 171 00:12:09,854 --> 00:12:11,940 You don't know what? 172 00:12:11,940 --> 00:12:15,068 - I'm not sure I wanna live in Mattapoisett my whole life. 173 00:12:16,861 --> 00:12:19,572 - What does that mean? 174 00:12:19,572 --> 00:12:22,450 - I don't know. It's just... 175 00:12:22,450 --> 00:12:24,577 it's just an idea. 176 00:12:24,577 --> 00:12:26,621 Where you gonna go, Coco? 177 00:12:26,621 --> 00:12:28,456 What're you gonna do? - I-I don't know, okay? 178 00:12:28,456 --> 00:12:31,417 I'm just-- I'm figuring it out, okay? 179 00:12:32,710 --> 00:12:33,711 - Okay. 180 00:12:35,588 --> 00:12:37,548 All right, come on, let's get back inside. 181 00:12:38,591 --> 00:12:41,010 All these people are here for you. 182 00:12:42,345 --> 00:12:43,846 Come on, it's embarrassing, you sitting out here. 183 00:12:43,846 --> 00:12:44,847 Come on. 184 00:13:01,114 --> 00:13:03,324 Good morning. 185 00:13:03,324 --> 00:13:05,034 How you doin'? 186 00:13:05,034 --> 00:13:06,202 Morning. 187 00:13:07,453 --> 00:13:08,830 Please wait. 188 00:13:16,421 --> 00:13:18,214 - Let's go. 189 00:13:19,549 --> 00:13:21,509 Can you please lift your arms? 190 00:13:26,389 --> 00:13:27,390 Do you see Michelle Carter 191 00:13:27,390 --> 00:13:29,309 present in the courtroom today? 192 00:13:29,309 --> 00:13:31,019 - Yes. - Could you point to her, 193 00:13:31,019 --> 00:13:32,979 identify something that she's wearing? 194 00:13:36,691 --> 00:13:39,944 - I don't know, it looks like a red shirt or something. 195 00:13:39,944 --> 00:13:41,195 - Your Honor, may the record reflect 196 00:13:41,195 --> 00:13:44,032 identification of the defendant. 197 00:13:44,032 --> 00:13:46,367 On October 27, 2012, 198 00:13:46,367 --> 00:13:48,411 Conrad tried to kill himself 199 00:13:48,411 --> 00:13:50,538 by overdosing on a bottle of medication. 200 00:13:50,538 --> 00:13:53,708 He was found in time and treated. 201 00:13:53,708 --> 00:13:56,753 What was his demeanor like when he was at Boston Children's? 202 00:13:58,421 --> 00:14:00,006 - He was scared. 203 00:14:01,841 --> 00:14:04,552 He said he would never do anything like that again. 204 00:14:06,054 --> 00:14:09,557 He knew he had a lot of family and support, 205 00:14:09,557 --> 00:14:12,643 friends, people who loved him. 206 00:14:12,643 --> 00:14:15,480 He was playing sports, going to school. 207 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,356 He even got accepted to Fitchburg State 208 00:14:17,356 --> 00:14:18,566 on scholarship, right? 209 00:14:18,566 --> 00:14:21,694 - Yes, initially, he was very excited. 210 00:14:21,694 --> 00:14:24,906 He went to visit his friend Rob there to check it out. 211 00:14:24,906 --> 00:14:27,408 And that would be June of 2014? 212 00:14:27,408 --> 00:14:30,286 - Yes, and he had just gotten his captain's license. 213 00:14:31,412 --> 00:14:35,458 - I'm going to direct your attention to July 12 of 2014. 214 00:14:35,458 --> 00:14:38,753 That was the last day you saw your son alive. 215 00:14:38,753 --> 00:14:40,797 How was he that day? 216 00:14:43,299 --> 00:14:45,343 - We went to the beach. 217 00:14:45,343 --> 00:14:48,471 We stopped at Stop and Shop, and... 218 00:14:48,471 --> 00:14:51,182 he was eating tortilla chips and guacamole. 219 00:14:52,975 --> 00:14:56,521 My son had never had guacamole before. 220 00:14:57,897 --> 00:14:59,982 He really liked it. 221 00:14:59,982 --> 00:15:01,692 And during that time, 222 00:15:01,692 --> 00:15:04,695 were you constantly in Conrad's presence? 223 00:15:04,695 --> 00:15:05,863 Yes. 224 00:15:07,115 --> 00:15:09,826 What did you talk about? 225 00:15:09,826 --> 00:15:11,953 - Life, 226 00:15:11,953 --> 00:15:14,122 what was gonna happen next. 227 00:15:15,456 --> 00:15:18,292 We made some jokes about some people on the beach 228 00:15:18,292 --> 00:15:19,836 wearing little swimsuits. 229 00:15:22,255 --> 00:15:24,132 He was fine. 230 00:15:25,633 --> 00:15:29,887 Yes, he had tried to kill himself before, 231 00:15:29,887 --> 00:15:33,015 but I know my son, 232 00:15:33,015 --> 00:15:35,309 and he didn't want to die. 233 00:15:36,269 --> 00:15:38,062 Not that day. 234 00:15:48,197 --> 00:15:50,408 Today's your last day with us, Michelle. 235 00:15:50,408 --> 00:15:52,618 We're all sad that you're leaving so soon, 236 00:15:52,618 --> 00:15:55,538 but before you go, can you tell us about 237 00:15:55,538 --> 00:15:57,832 the images on your vision board? 238 00:16:02,295 --> 00:16:06,257 - Every image helps me to look to the future 239 00:16:06,257 --> 00:16:09,343 and not to get stuck in the past. 240 00:16:10,761 --> 00:16:13,347 I really wanna go to California. 241 00:16:15,433 --> 00:16:18,060 Life seems different there. 242 00:16:18,060 --> 00:16:19,854 - That's great, Michelle, 243 00:16:19,854 --> 00:16:22,565 but make sure you're focusing on what you can control. 244 00:16:25,693 --> 00:16:29,655 I can't control everything, everyone, 245 00:16:29,655 --> 00:16:32,575 but...I'll be prepared. 246 00:16:32,575 --> 00:16:34,827 I know my triggers and I'm gonna do better 247 00:16:34,827 --> 00:16:36,954 at continuing to identify them. 248 00:16:46,047 --> 00:16:49,383 I try to fix people too much sometimes... 249 00:16:51,677 --> 00:16:53,888 Everyone, really. 250 00:16:56,474 --> 00:17:01,062 I have to remember to focus on myself for a change. 251 00:17:06,234 --> 00:17:08,069 I found a stray. 252 00:17:10,655 --> 00:17:13,032 Welcome home, sweetie. 253 00:17:14,617 --> 00:17:17,578 - It's...it's only been a couple weeks. 254 00:17:19,330 --> 00:17:21,082 We didn't know what you'd want, 255 00:17:21,082 --> 00:17:22,959 so we made a bunch of different things, 256 00:17:22,959 --> 00:17:24,961 but, you know, we can always go out too. 257 00:17:24,961 --> 00:17:27,713 - Well, the doctor said maybe it would be best 258 00:17:27,713 --> 00:17:29,131 to eat at home first, 259 00:17:29,131 --> 00:17:31,300 but we could go out if you want. 260 00:17:31,300 --> 00:17:35,346 - I'm okay, guys. This looks really good, thanks. 261 00:17:35,346 --> 00:17:37,515 Great. Okay. 262 00:17:39,392 --> 00:17:42,937 - So what was it like there? 263 00:17:42,937 --> 00:17:46,440 - It wasn't that bad actually. It was kinda like a vacation. 264 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,568 - Did they throw you in a padded room? 265 00:17:48,568 --> 00:17:49,986 - Hayden. 266 00:17:49,986 --> 00:17:51,862 - That's what they did to Angelina Jolie. 267 00:17:51,862 --> 00:17:55,032 - Okay, we need to get you out more. 268 00:17:55,032 --> 00:17:57,201 - It's okay. 269 00:17:57,201 --> 00:18:00,246 My therapist says talking is healing. 270 00:18:05,710 --> 00:18:08,212 I like that movie. 271 00:18:08,212 --> 00:18:10,464 - Me too. 272 00:18:10,464 --> 00:18:13,092 Oh, now that you're home... 273 00:18:15,469 --> 00:18:17,096 You probably want this back. 274 00:18:23,102 --> 00:18:25,146 - So what else? 275 00:19:17,990 --> 00:19:19,659 I just got all your texts. 276 00:19:19,659 --> 00:19:21,577 You okay? 277 00:19:21,577 --> 00:19:23,621 - It's fine. You just disappeared again. 278 00:19:24,664 --> 00:19:26,957 I'm getting used to it. 279 00:19:26,957 --> 00:19:30,086 - I got my phone taken away. I was in the hospital. 280 00:19:30,836 --> 00:19:32,880 - For what? You're not dying. 281 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:34,924 - Can you be nice for one second? 282 00:19:36,342 --> 00:19:38,928 I actually feel better. 283 00:19:38,928 --> 00:19:41,889 As my boyfriend, you should be happy. 284 00:19:41,889 --> 00:19:44,225 - Sure, I'm happy. 285 00:19:45,768 --> 00:19:49,522 I got my captain's license, not that you care. 286 00:20:02,326 --> 00:20:04,120 I'm sorry. 287 00:20:06,288 --> 00:20:07,998 I hate myself. 288 00:20:08,874 --> 00:20:10,501 - Don't say that. 289 00:20:11,627 --> 00:20:14,839 It's okay. I love you. 290 00:20:25,266 --> 00:20:27,643 I hate when you do that. 291 00:20:27,643 --> 00:20:30,146 You just type and then erase things. 292 00:20:33,149 --> 00:20:35,317 Just talk to me. 293 00:20:38,904 --> 00:20:42,032 Or don't. Whatever. 294 00:20:51,876 --> 00:20:53,544 - I wish I could just see myself 295 00:20:53,544 --> 00:20:55,963 as the person I wanna be, you know? 296 00:20:57,298 --> 00:21:00,593 Not as this person that's just always miserable. 297 00:21:03,304 --> 00:21:04,847 I know that I'm wanted. 298 00:21:04,847 --> 00:21:07,308 I know that I'm... 299 00:21:09,435 --> 00:21:10,770 Loved. 300 00:21:13,731 --> 00:21:15,649 I hate that I'm shy. 301 00:21:15,649 --> 00:21:18,569 I h-- I hate that I'm dumb. 302 00:21:20,529 --> 00:21:24,241 And I hate that I'm always worrying 303 00:21:24,241 --> 00:21:26,035 and regretting about the past 304 00:21:26,035 --> 00:21:29,455 and I'm...I'm pessimistic about the future. 305 00:21:31,415 --> 00:21:33,667 - You don't have to feel that way. 306 00:21:35,711 --> 00:21:38,756 The hospital worked for me. You could talk to someone. 307 00:21:38,756 --> 00:21:40,883 - Yeah, what's the point? 308 00:21:42,176 --> 00:21:44,261 I just feel like I'm never going to be happy 309 00:21:44,261 --> 00:21:46,639 because I feel like I'm a failure. 310 00:21:47,848 --> 00:21:50,100 And that-- 311 00:21:50,100 --> 00:21:51,727 that's just a minute's worth of ideas 312 00:21:51,727 --> 00:21:53,479 that pop through my head on a regular basis. 313 00:21:53,479 --> 00:21:56,607 There's way, way more. 314 00:22:06,242 --> 00:22:07,785 Are you still there? 315 00:22:09,411 --> 00:22:11,664 - Yeah. 316 00:22:11,664 --> 00:22:14,959 It's just a lot to take in. - I'm sorry. 317 00:22:14,959 --> 00:22:16,794 It's too much. I shouldn't-- 318 00:22:16,794 --> 00:22:19,964 - No, I'm happy you did. 319 00:22:40,651 --> 00:22:42,319 - See ya, Kenny. 320 00:22:46,657 --> 00:22:47,908 Here you go. 321 00:22:55,374 --> 00:22:57,376 Where you going? It's 10:00 a. m. 322 00:22:57,376 --> 00:22:59,378 - Got plans. - No, you don't. 323 00:22:59,378 --> 00:23:01,797 You did a shit job cleaning those fuel oil tanks. 324 00:23:01,797 --> 00:23:03,173 I need you to do it again. 325 00:23:03,173 --> 00:23:05,676 Texted Bobby. He said he'd cover me. 326 00:23:05,676 --> 00:23:07,261 He'll finish it up. 327 00:23:07,261 --> 00:23:08,804 - You texted Bobby, so where the hell's Bobby? 328 00:23:08,804 --> 00:23:11,932 - I don't know. Said he'd be here. 329 00:23:11,932 --> 00:23:15,102 - What, so that's it? You're done here? 330 00:23:15,102 --> 00:23:17,229 - Sorry. - Coco! 331 00:23:19,565 --> 00:23:21,191 Hey! 332 00:23:22,902 --> 00:23:24,194 Fuck. 333 00:23:24,194 --> 00:23:26,113 And what did you do next, sir? 334 00:23:26,113 --> 00:23:28,115 - I contacted the District Attorney's office. 335 00:23:28,115 --> 00:23:31,619 Things were put in motion to have the phone extracted. 336 00:23:31,619 --> 00:23:34,997 Then I interviewed Miss Carter at King Philip's High School. 337 00:23:34,997 --> 00:23:37,041 - And then you got her phone with the password, 338 00:23:37,041 --> 00:23:38,751 you spoke to her parents, 339 00:23:38,751 --> 00:23:40,461 and then you got her laptop, correct? 340 00:23:40,461 --> 00:23:42,046 Yes. 341 00:23:42,046 --> 00:23:43,422 - Why? 342 00:23:43,422 --> 00:23:45,507 - The messages from Michelle Carter to the victim 343 00:23:45,507 --> 00:23:47,384 encouraged him to commit suicide. 344 00:23:48,385 --> 00:23:49,637 Once? 345 00:23:49,637 --> 00:23:52,473 - No, dozens of times. 346 00:23:54,266 --> 00:23:57,227 Thank you. No further questions. 347 00:24:03,525 --> 00:24:06,820 - Mr. Gordon, 348 00:24:06,820 --> 00:24:08,739 did you find anything of any substance 349 00:24:08,739 --> 00:24:10,866 on Conrad's laptop? 350 00:24:12,493 --> 00:24:15,496 - Yes, we found videos. 351 00:24:15,496 --> 00:24:18,040 - Can you explain what those videos were about? 352 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,918 - They were of Conrad, three of 'em. 353 00:24:20,918 --> 00:24:26,131 He was alone making some sort of video diary on his issues-- 354 00:24:26,131 --> 00:24:28,008 social anxiety, 355 00:24:28,008 --> 00:24:31,095 lack of friends, his depression. 356 00:24:31,095 --> 00:24:34,348 He believed he wasn't really normal, I guess, 357 00:24:34,348 --> 00:24:38,018 or like everybody else. 358 00:24:38,018 --> 00:24:41,146 Thank you. Your Honor, no further questions. 359 00:24:42,856 --> 00:24:44,400 - You were the officer that took 360 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,443 the missing person's report, correct? 361 00:24:46,443 --> 00:24:47,653 - I was. 362 00:24:47,653 --> 00:24:49,488 - Your Honor, I would like to display 363 00:24:49,488 --> 00:24:53,325 on the court monitor exhibit six, number five. 364 00:24:59,123 --> 00:25:02,084 Conrad's black F-250 truck. 365 00:25:02,084 --> 00:25:04,712 When you approached it, what did you see? 366 00:25:04,712 --> 00:25:07,214 Well, the deceased was wearing sunglasses. 367 00:25:07,214 --> 00:25:09,675 There's a general redness to his skin, 368 00:25:09,675 --> 00:25:12,636 typical of carbon monoxide poisoning. 369 00:25:12,636 --> 00:25:16,265 There was blood from a supposed nosebleed. 370 00:25:16,265 --> 00:25:18,934 When do you estimate the time of death for Conrad? 371 00:25:18,934 --> 00:25:20,436 The physical evidence indicated 372 00:25:20,436 --> 00:25:21,979 that at the end of the second call 373 00:25:21,979 --> 00:25:24,690 with Michelle Carter, Roy was still alive. 374 00:25:42,958 --> 00:25:45,377 - Hey, I'm gonna head to bed. 375 00:25:45,377 --> 00:25:47,421 - Hey, are you okay? 376 00:25:50,758 --> 00:25:52,342 Okay, good night. 377 00:25:52,342 --> 00:25:53,802 - Night. 378 00:25:57,931 --> 00:26:01,060 - I wish she wouldn't go to the trial. 379 00:26:01,060 --> 00:26:03,604 It's not good for her. - Well, she's stubborn. 380 00:26:04,605 --> 00:26:07,524 Wonder where she gets that. 381 00:26:07,524 --> 00:26:09,526 - Co send you? 382 00:26:09,526 --> 00:26:11,695 - Everyone's worried about you. 383 00:26:20,204 --> 00:26:22,581 She looks skinnier than I remember. 384 00:26:24,249 --> 00:26:26,168 - I can't stop thinking about her. 385 00:26:27,086 --> 00:26:29,505 I don't wanna be thinking about her. 386 00:26:29,505 --> 00:26:32,966 - You seen those videos they're talking about? 387 00:26:32,966 --> 00:26:34,843 The ones Coco did? 388 00:26:34,843 --> 00:26:37,429 - I can never bring myself to watch, you know? 389 00:26:39,306 --> 00:26:41,058 - You did good today. 390 00:26:42,518 --> 00:26:44,603 - I don't know what the hell that even means. 391 00:26:49,691 --> 00:26:52,236 "48 Hours" wants to talk to me. 392 00:26:52,236 --> 00:26:53,737 - You gonna do it? 393 00:26:53,737 --> 00:26:57,449 - He's not just a dead kid on the news, you know? 394 00:26:57,449 --> 00:26:59,326 He's Coco. 395 00:27:02,204 --> 00:27:05,207 I want people to know... 396 00:27:05,207 --> 00:27:08,502 to know him how we knew him and who he was. 397 00:27:12,506 --> 00:27:15,843 Well, that's the thing, isn't it? 398 00:27:15,843 --> 00:27:18,011 You don't know. 399 00:27:18,011 --> 00:27:19,513 I mean 400 00:27:19,513 --> 00:27:22,933 because sometimes people seem like they're getting better, 401 00:27:22,933 --> 00:27:25,936 and they tell everyone around them they're getting better. 402 00:27:25,936 --> 00:27:28,605 They seem happy. 403 00:27:28,605 --> 00:27:30,983 They seem good at home. 404 00:27:33,694 --> 00:27:36,280 They get their captain's license. 405 00:27:37,322 --> 00:27:39,658 But you just can't know. 406 00:27:46,665 --> 00:27:47,958 - Yeah. 407 00:27:53,547 --> 00:27:55,507 - Ha ha ha. 408 00:27:55,507 --> 00:27:57,384 Did you see that shit? 409 00:27:57,384 --> 00:27:59,052 Did you see that headshot? 410 00:27:59,052 --> 00:28:00,429 Jesus Christ. 411 00:28:00,429 --> 00:28:02,681 Yeah, man, I just sniped him! 412 00:28:02,681 --> 00:28:04,308 Yeah, dude, I just 413 00:28:04,308 --> 00:28:06,351 sniped him from like 100 yards. 414 00:28:06,351 --> 00:28:07,644 - Hey, hey! 415 00:28:07,644 --> 00:28:09,146 - I'm gonna try no-scope this time. 416 00:28:09,146 --> 00:28:11,106 Fuck it. 417 00:28:11,106 --> 00:28:13,108 360. 418 00:28:13,108 --> 00:28:14,902 What the fuck, man? 419 00:28:14,902 --> 00:28:17,070 - This is why you come home from work early, huh? 420 00:28:17,070 --> 00:28:18,780 Play fucking video games? 421 00:28:18,780 --> 00:28:19,948 - Yeah. - You gotta be kidding me. 422 00:28:19,948 --> 00:28:21,366 Come on. Clean this shit up now! 423 00:28:21,366 --> 00:28:22,993 - Get the--back off! 424 00:28:22,993 --> 00:28:24,328 - Ugh-- 425 00:28:24,328 --> 00:28:25,412 - Wait--wait-- 426 00:29:20,175 --> 00:29:22,719 - Go get your stuff. I'll see you at home. 427 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,348 - It wasn't his fault. 428 00:29:34,022 --> 00:29:35,774 - God damn it. - Lynn... 429 00:29:35,774 --> 00:29:38,986 I don't know what happened. God damn it. 430 00:29:38,986 --> 00:29:40,904 God damn it, Co! 431 00:29:47,285 --> 00:29:49,371 - I know. I know. 432 00:30:05,095 --> 00:30:07,264 - Any comment? - Lynn! 433 00:30:09,975 --> 00:30:11,727 - We can go. 434 00:30:16,314 --> 00:30:17,315 Would it be fair to say 435 00:30:17,315 --> 00:30:18,400 that you and Michelle Carter 436 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,277 texted hundreds of times 437 00:30:20,277 --> 00:30:22,070 on a sort of day-to-day basis? 438 00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:23,947 - That sounds right, yeah. 439 00:30:23,947 --> 00:30:26,992 - April 23, 2014, 440 00:30:26,992 --> 00:30:28,577 10:05 a. m. 441 00:30:28,577 --> 00:30:31,872 Can you read the highlighted section, please? 442 00:30:34,166 --> 00:30:35,751 - "Yeah, I have school friends 443 00:30:35,751 --> 00:30:37,669 "that all say they love me, but that doesn't mean shit 444 00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:40,088 "when no one ever asks to hang out with me. 445 00:30:40,088 --> 00:30:41,798 "No one ever calls me or texts me. 446 00:30:41,798 --> 00:30:43,842 "It's always me that has to do it. 447 00:30:43,842 --> 00:30:45,218 "I don't even remember the last time 448 00:30:45,218 --> 00:30:48,346 someone asked me to hang out with me before you did." 449 00:30:48,346 --> 00:30:49,765 Can you please describe 450 00:30:49,765 --> 00:30:51,308 your relationship with Michelle Carter? 451 00:30:51,308 --> 00:30:53,727 - It was mostly an in-school friendship, 452 00:30:53,727 --> 00:30:56,396 just, like, talking in school and stuff. 453 00:30:56,396 --> 00:30:59,941 I didn't socialize with her or anything. 454 00:30:59,941 --> 00:31:01,818 - How often would Miss Carter ask 455 00:31:01,818 --> 00:31:04,488 to socialize with you and Natalie outside of school? 456 00:31:05,739 --> 00:31:07,991 - Probably a few times a week. 457 00:31:07,991 --> 00:31:09,826 - During those years, do you remember 458 00:31:09,826 --> 00:31:13,246 wanting to hang out with Michelle outside of school? 459 00:31:13,246 --> 00:31:15,123 Um, no. 460 00:31:15,123 --> 00:31:16,917 "But I don't know what I was thinking. 461 00:31:16,917 --> 00:31:19,544 "I knew I was just gonna make it all come crashing down. 462 00:31:19,544 --> 00:31:20,962 "I always do. 463 00:31:20,962 --> 00:31:23,924 "I text them too much or try talking to them too much 464 00:31:23,924 --> 00:31:26,802 "and they leave-- every single one. 465 00:31:26,802 --> 00:31:28,512 "Then I am left crying in bed at night 466 00:31:28,512 --> 00:31:30,847 "because I have no one, no friends, 467 00:31:30,847 --> 00:31:32,265 "barely any family. 468 00:31:32,265 --> 00:31:34,351 "Like, they don't even like me half the time 469 00:31:34,351 --> 00:31:36,686 "and I have no plans, no future. 470 00:31:36,686 --> 00:31:39,147 I am nothing." 471 00:31:42,067 --> 00:31:45,904 July 10, 2014, 5:23 p. m. 472 00:31:45,904 --> 00:31:48,365 Can you read that message from Michelle for us? 473 00:31:48,365 --> 00:31:50,033 - "Thank you so much for coming over 474 00:31:50,033 --> 00:31:51,910 "and hanging out with me, Cassie. 475 00:31:51,910 --> 00:31:53,745 "It really made me feel happy. 476 00:31:53,745 --> 00:31:55,497 "You and Natalie are the only people 477 00:31:55,497 --> 00:31:57,040 "who actually make me forget 478 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,167 "I have issues and stuff for a while. 479 00:31:59,167 --> 00:32:01,503 "And, like, you guys make me feel normal. 480 00:32:01,503 --> 00:32:03,463 "I can't thank you enough for that. 481 00:32:03,463 --> 00:32:06,091 "I hope you want to hang again sometime soon. 482 00:32:06,091 --> 00:32:08,510 I had a good time and hope you did too." 483 00:32:08,510 --> 00:32:10,303 - And did you respond to that? 484 00:32:10,303 --> 00:32:13,390 - I don't believe I did, no. 485 00:32:13,390 --> 00:32:15,142 - "And I'll be honest-- I cried when you said 486 00:32:15,142 --> 00:32:17,561 "you wanted to help me and hang out and stuff. 487 00:32:17,561 --> 00:32:21,690 It just meant so much to me, like I finally found a friend." 488 00:32:22,357 --> 00:32:27,028 - Do you remember anything about that particular sleepover 489 00:32:27,028 --> 00:32:30,740 on July 9th that might stick out in your mind? 490 00:32:30,740 --> 00:32:32,534 No. 491 00:32:32,534 --> 00:32:35,370 - How did she seem, if you can remember? 492 00:32:35,370 --> 00:32:36,955 - Fine. 493 00:32:36,955 --> 00:32:38,748 - Totally fine. 494 00:32:38,748 --> 00:32:40,542 - Do you remember the defendant 495 00:32:40,542 --> 00:32:42,961 using her cell phone the night you slept over? 496 00:32:42,961 --> 00:32:44,880 - I don't remember. 497 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,257 And when you didn't respond, 498 00:32:47,257 --> 00:32:49,384 you received another text message from Michelle. 499 00:32:49,384 --> 00:32:52,387 Do you mind reading that for me, please? 500 00:32:52,387 --> 00:32:55,223 - "Conrad's missing. They can't find him anywhere. 501 00:32:55,223 --> 00:32:56,975 "He's been missing since Wednesday night 502 00:32:56,975 --> 00:32:58,727 "when you guys slept over. 503 00:32:58,727 --> 00:33:02,105 He hasn't called or talked to me or anyone since." 504 00:33:02,105 --> 00:33:04,816 - "He's missing, like, they don't know where he is." 505 00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:10,739 - July 12th, 9:24 p. m. 506 00:33:10,739 --> 00:33:14,868 Can you read that message from Michelle Carter? 507 00:33:14,868 --> 00:33:17,329 - "He called me and I heard like muffled sounds 508 00:33:17,329 --> 00:33:19,206 "and some type of motor running 509 00:33:19,206 --> 00:33:21,124 "and it was like that for 20 minutes, 510 00:33:21,124 --> 00:33:22,834 and he wouldn't answer." 511 00:33:23,835 --> 00:33:25,879 "I think he killed himself." 512 00:33:28,215 --> 00:33:33,470 - Can you now read this text from September 16, 2014, 513 00:33:33,470 --> 00:33:36,181 two months after Conrad's death? 514 00:33:39,434 --> 00:33:42,437 - "I fucking told him to get back in." 515 00:33:46,191 --> 00:33:48,944 The prosecution rests, Your Honor. 516 00:34:31,695 --> 00:34:35,198 - Thanks for meeting me. - 'Course. 517 00:34:35,198 --> 00:34:37,367 He's just such a dick sometimes. 518 00:34:37,367 --> 00:34:38,994 I try to talk to him, and it's, like... 519 00:34:40,287 --> 00:34:42,706 It's like we speak different languages. 520 00:34:45,583 --> 00:34:48,044 - Maybe you should start living your life 521 00:34:48,044 --> 00:34:50,714 for you, not for them. 522 00:34:52,299 --> 00:34:54,676 - What do you mean? 523 00:34:54,676 --> 00:34:55,885 - I don't know. 524 00:34:55,885 --> 00:34:58,888 Your Mom and Dad, they're simple. 525 00:35:00,015 --> 00:35:02,851 I'm surprised you haven't left already. 526 00:35:02,851 --> 00:35:04,644 You're above them. 527 00:35:06,605 --> 00:35:08,106 - Don't do that. 528 00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:11,651 - Do what? - Don't talk shit 529 00:35:11,651 --> 00:35:13,028 about my family like that. 530 00:35:13,028 --> 00:35:14,904 You don't know them. 531 00:35:16,740 --> 00:35:18,950 - No, I wasn't. I was agreeing with you. 532 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,745 I was saying you deserve better. 533 00:35:21,745 --> 00:35:23,830 - You-- 534 00:35:23,830 --> 00:35:25,457 You're just like everybody else. 535 00:35:25,457 --> 00:35:28,418 You just fucking... you just talk. 536 00:35:28,418 --> 00:35:30,879 You just say shit that you think I want to hear, 537 00:35:30,879 --> 00:35:34,174 but you don't actually listen to anything I say. 538 00:35:34,174 --> 00:35:35,759 - Yeah, I do. 539 00:35:37,135 --> 00:35:38,637 I get you. 540 00:35:38,637 --> 00:35:40,722 - How? 541 00:35:40,722 --> 00:35:43,767 How could you possibly get me? You don't even know me. 542 00:35:44,517 --> 00:35:48,063 - Okay, I'm...sorry. 543 00:35:48,063 --> 00:35:50,398 Just forget what I said. Ah. 544 00:35:50,398 --> 00:35:52,567 Let's start over. 545 00:35:52,567 --> 00:35:54,861 Come here. 546 00:35:54,861 --> 00:35:56,071 Come here. 547 00:36:15,632 --> 00:36:19,219 - I live in a different world. 548 00:36:19,219 --> 00:36:20,428 Okay? 549 00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:23,973 Not like you, not like everybody else. 550 00:36:23,973 --> 00:36:27,102 So when you go to bed at night 551 00:36:27,102 --> 00:36:29,479 and you dream about 552 00:36:29,479 --> 00:36:32,440 puppies and rainbows, 553 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,527 I dream about killing myself... 554 00:36:37,362 --> 00:36:40,407 Because that is the only way 555 00:36:40,407 --> 00:36:42,534 that my pain is gonna end, okay? 556 00:36:42,534 --> 00:36:44,494 I know that. 557 00:36:47,247 --> 00:36:49,708 So next time, I'm not gonna screw up. 558 00:36:49,708 --> 00:36:52,836 Next time, I'll be dead... 559 00:36:52,836 --> 00:36:56,047 and then, maybe then, 560 00:36:56,047 --> 00:36:58,299 all of you 561 00:36:58,299 --> 00:37:01,720 will just fucking listen. 562 00:37:04,723 --> 00:37:07,183 - Maybe I should call your mom. 563 00:37:15,859 --> 00:37:20,280 - If you ever tell anyone about me, 564 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:26,119 I will never, ever fucking talk to you again! 565 00:37:26,119 --> 00:37:27,746 You got it? 566 00:37:29,330 --> 00:37:32,709 Let's go, come on. I'm taking you home. 567 00:37:32,709 --> 00:37:33,918 God. 568 00:38:43,780 --> 00:38:46,366 Hazel Grace, I hope you realize 569 00:38:46,366 --> 00:38:48,660 that you trying to keep your distance from me 570 00:38:48,660 --> 00:38:51,830 in no way lessens my affection for you. 571 00:38:51,830 --> 00:38:54,499 All your efforts to keep me from you are gonna fail. 572 00:38:56,167 --> 00:38:57,585 Look... 573 00:39:17,063 --> 00:39:19,524 Yo, you got me. Leave a message. 574 00:39:19,524 --> 00:39:23,653 - Hey, your text freaked me out. 575 00:39:23,653 --> 00:39:25,655 I hope you're okay. 576 00:39:25,655 --> 00:39:27,448 Call me back. 577 00:39:32,745 --> 00:39:34,956 Yo, you got me. Leave a message. 578 00:39:34,956 --> 00:39:37,166 - Hey, it's me again. 579 00:39:37,166 --> 00:39:39,210 Just text me back. 580 00:40:08,406 --> 00:40:10,909 Yo, you got me. Leave a message. 581 00:40:58,456 --> 00:41:01,876 This is Conrad Henry Roy III 582 00:41:01,876 --> 00:41:05,129 reporting about social anxiety. 583 00:41:06,589 --> 00:41:08,633 Social anxiety, to me, 584 00:41:08,633 --> 00:41:11,719 is the inability to function properly 585 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:16,099 in a manner you want to in a social situation. 586 00:41:16,099 --> 00:41:19,852 And one of the things that I realized is that 587 00:41:19,852 --> 00:41:23,481 not all eyes are on you at all times. 588 00:41:25,858 --> 00:41:30,154 Just gotta get the cobwebs out. 589 00:41:30,154 --> 00:41:32,532 Turn the gears. 590 00:41:32,532 --> 00:41:36,786 The gears need to be turning. Turn the gears. 591 00:41:36,786 --> 00:41:40,999 That's what I gotta do, because look at me. 592 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,338 I got nice teeth. 593 00:41:47,338 --> 00:41:49,424 Got a nice smile. 594 00:41:51,426 --> 00:41:52,844 It's pretty nice. 595 00:41:56,305 --> 00:41:59,517 There's a lot of people that love me. 596 00:41:59,517 --> 00:42:02,145 I have a great mom. 597 00:42:02,145 --> 00:42:05,523 A great dad-- for the most part. 598 00:42:05,523 --> 00:42:08,109 Great parents. 599 00:42:08,109 --> 00:42:11,195 I have all my grandparents, 600 00:42:11,195 --> 00:42:14,657 but I'm still depressed. 601 00:42:16,242 --> 00:42:17,952 One of them is gonna pass away. 602 00:42:17,952 --> 00:42:20,997 I don't know when, but... 603 00:42:20,997 --> 00:42:22,540 when they do, I'm gonna have to be there 604 00:42:22,540 --> 00:42:25,251 for my parents, 605 00:42:25,251 --> 00:42:27,795 to be there for my mom and dad 606 00:42:27,795 --> 00:42:31,966 whenever their parents pass away... 607 00:42:31,966 --> 00:42:35,261 because I can't imagine my parents passing away. 608 00:42:37,472 --> 00:42:40,516 How I'm gonna feel. 609 00:42:40,516 --> 00:42:44,479 The person that raised you is not present. 610 00:42:44,479 --> 00:42:47,857 And this is what I have to realize. 611 00:42:47,857 --> 00:42:52,320 Like, I am a lot better off 612 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,490 than a lot of people.