1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:13,840 You are watching a special report on the verdict for Jessica Kumala Wongso. 4 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:21,040 It has been ten months since the death of Wayan Mirna Salihin at Café Olivier. 5 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,080 Today, the fate of Jessica Kumala Wongso, 6 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,240 the only suspect in Mirna's murder, will finally be determined. 7 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,200 Jessica is like the devil. 8 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,320 Describing it as the trial of the century is accurate. 9 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:05,480 This cyanide coffee case can be compared to the OJ Simpson case. 10 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,480 This case had too many sides and too many rumors. 11 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:18,960 There were rumors of a love triangle between Jessica, Mirna, and her husband. 12 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,320 Rumors that it was something to do with the mafia. 13 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,040 If she's not guilty, please set her free. 14 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:36,120 I would never want to commit a sin by letting a guilty person get freedom. 15 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,480 I am sure she is innocent. 16 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,680 I have to prove that is the truth. 17 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,040 I'm probably a strong person. 18 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:45,600 I'm almost 70. I'm still strong. 19 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,480 I'm still able to do hundreds of push-ups. 20 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:53,360 Thank God, I'm still given extraordinary strength. 21 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:14,200 I'm used to facing bad situations. 22 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:16,520 Not everyone is like that. 23 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,280 So when I first heard that Mirna died, 24 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,680 I just asked, "How did she die?" 25 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:25,640 She is a healthy child. 26 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:29,520 Why did she have to die? 27 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:32,520 It was then I decided. 28 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,040 I will investigate and find the murderer. 29 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:40,720 Mirna, 30 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:45,520 her nature and character are just like me. 31 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,200 She can be harsh. If it's wrong, she'll point it out. 32 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:50,960 Even I got scolded. 33 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,040 "Why is Papa like that… or this or that?" 34 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,160 She's my sparring partner. 35 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,240 Even when playing football, she got into fights. 36 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:04,240 Fight… 37 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,520 Sandy was hit by a boy, 38 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,000 then Mirna came and punched that boy. 39 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:13,880 That's Mirna for you! 40 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:22,840 My name is Sandy… 41 00:04:25,280 --> 00:04:27,360 and I am Mirna's twin sister. 42 00:04:30,840 --> 00:04:32,960 It's very different living here and in Jakarta. 43 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,400 This is the countryside, very far from the city. 44 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,760 My husband and I wanted to start a new life here and find peace. 45 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,320 I miss her. I miss her a lot. 46 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:58,280 When Mirna was buried, I had a dream about her. 47 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,320 She just sat, and she looked at her wedding dress, 48 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,360 but her face just looked sad, and she was silent. 49 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:11,800 Mirna had a lot of dreams. 50 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,560 Before this, she wanted to open a café. 51 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:16,000 But I guess… 52 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,360 It's not possible now. 53 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,200 We both really like coffee. 54 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,400 And I thought it's just ironic… 55 00:05:31,840 --> 00:05:33,960 that Mirna died because of that. 56 00:05:40,280 --> 00:05:42,840 WHERE ARE WE EATING? 57 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,120 DAMN OK I'LL ORDER THAT OK 58 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,560 OH YES, OK 59 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:16,680 Olivier was a premium café. 60 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:23,240 They came to hang out. 61 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,000 There was a bar there, so they could hang out. 62 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:32,640 Olivier had certain rules for its customers 63 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,680 to enter the restaurant. 64 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,440 They have to be well-groomed, really neat. 65 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,200 Most customers at Olivier use luxury brands, 66 00:06:41,280 --> 00:06:44,800 such as Gucci, Prada, and Louis Vuitton. 67 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:51,200 I was very proud to work at Café Olivier. 68 00:07:05,280 --> 00:07:08,080 On the day of the incident, it was just a normal day. 69 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,520 Some tables were already filled. 70 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:40,840 I started working at 4:00 p.m. that day. 71 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,160 After I entered the bar, the print receipt came 72 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,240 for a Vietnamese iced coffee order. 73 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:49,560 Then I made it, the way I always do. 74 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:54,200 Then I set it on the gueridon to be picked up by the runner. 75 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:10,520 I'VE ALREADY ORDERED 76 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:26,320 I saw three people at table 54. 77 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:27,360 They were young. 78 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:31,160 Then I saw that they knew each other and seemed close. 79 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:43,400 After that, 80 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:46,880 a guest started convulsing. 81 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,760 Mirna's condition was worrying 82 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,680 because she was convulsing and having trouble breathing. 83 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:07,000 It was an emergency. 84 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:13,960 On my right, there was Jessica. 85 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,400 I was very suspicious of her 86 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,840 because she didn't want to assist her friend 87 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,080 even though she was right by her side. 88 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,360 I thought maybe something odd was going on. 89 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,320 There was something wrong 90 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:31,280 with Jessica. 91 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:32,840 Yeah… 92 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:35,320 She asked… 93 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,520 From there, I started to feel there was something strange 94 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:53,520 because Jessica's gestures were somewhat defensive. 95 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:58,920 From there, I realized that there was something in the coffee. 96 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,480 Then I tasted it myself, 97 00:10:03,560 --> 00:10:08,640 and it turned out that the coffee tasted and smelled really rotten. 98 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,240 When I saw the color of the coffee, it was the color of turmeric. 99 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,280 When I smelled the coffee up close, 100 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,960 the smell was piercing, similar to Power Glue. 101 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:20,280 It hurt my nose. 102 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,320 I really panicked. 103 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,800 I checked all the ingredients, 104 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:28,840 but I didn't find anything wrong. 105 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,040 Only Jessica's coffee was like that. 106 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:37,640 At that time, it felt serious. 107 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,840 My mental state drops 108 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,520 when I recall those things. 109 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:25,480 I can still remember. 110 00:11:25,560 --> 00:11:28,440 It was as if her face was saying, "Help me." 111 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:33,000 I tried to wake her up. 112 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,720 I kept slapping her face. 113 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,000 I was wondering why she wasn't getting up. 114 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,280 In the end, the doctors and nurses told me 115 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,480 Mirna was no longer alive. 116 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,840 At that time, I was supposed to meet Mirna, 117 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:05,160 but because I was working till 6:00 p.m., I told Mirna, "Mir, I'm going to be late." 118 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,720 MIRNA IS GONE 119 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,280 Then suddenly, a friend called me 120 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:21,640 and was crying, 121 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,080 "Ver, Mirna is gone. She's gone." 122 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,600 "What do you mean she's gone? You just met her." 123 00:12:27,680 --> 00:12:31,080 "I just messaged you at 5:00 p.m. You guys just arrived." 124 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:32,640 "Why is she suddenly gone?" 125 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:38,760 Up until today, since the last time I went to her funeral, 126 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:42,640 I still felt I could not accept her loss. 127 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,800 It's more about that. I'm not really thinking about… 128 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:47,720 -Jessica. -It's not about her. 129 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,800 In the hospital, Jessica and all her friends were there. 130 00:12:57,880 --> 00:12:59,440 They were crying, so many of them. 131 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,720 I asked Jessica. 132 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,200 "Jess, my daughter drank coffee and died. What did you drink?" 133 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,160 She said, "Mineral water." 134 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,200 That was her first lie to me. 135 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,280 That was what made me suspect it was her. 136 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:18,840 I really doubted her. 137 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,040 She was acting weird. 138 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:39,320 "Uncle, did Mirna die?" 139 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:44,120 "Was I the one who killed Mirna?" That's what she said! 140 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:48,160 She's a liar. 141 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,200 We went to the funeral home after Abdi Waluyo Hospital. 142 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,640 Suddenly, the police came. 143 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,880 They told us that there was a possibility of poisoning. 144 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,000 The police demanded an autopsy. 145 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:13,640 Her mum, Santi, said, 146 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,480 "Don't turn Mirna's body inside out, please." 147 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:22,160 If this is a suspicious death and there is no autopsy, 148 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:28,560 the police won't be able to investigate. 149 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,360 During that time, Mr. Krishna Murti came. 150 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,040 He did not say much but told us, 151 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,080 "If you refuse an autopsy, 152 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,640 you will never know who the killer is." 153 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:42,080 In the end, we gave in. 154 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:43,360 Take Mirna away, 155 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:44,760 autopsy. 156 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:52,800 We had the funeral the day after. 157 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:56,680 In the morning, I received a call from the police. 158 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:00,240 "Your child has been poisoned!" 159 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,240 The police already have a suspect who poisoned Mirna 160 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,320 by mixing cyanide into her coffee. 161 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:09,640 The autopsy results have shown 162 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,680 that the contents of Mirna's stomach tested positive for cyanide. 163 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:16,480 Wow! Cyanide poisoning. Somebody really wanted to kill her. 164 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:28,120 I remember the first time I heard about the case, 165 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:33,600 I was sitting on the floor of the General Criminal Investigation Directorate. 166 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,160 That was where all the reporters from various media stations 167 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:38,640 would wait for information. 168 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:44,640 The first information was that there was a murder with the use of poison. 169 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,120 An invitation to catch up, 170 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:51,520 accompanied by a cup of coffee, was never expected to be so dangerous. 171 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,440 But when it emerged that the victim 172 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,960 was someone named Mirna Salihin, who had just gotten married, 173 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,600 it became clear that this was an interesting case. 174 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,720 WHO POISONED MIRNA? MIRNA'S FATHER QUESTIONED FOR 9 HOURS 175 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:23,840 Secondly, it was conveyed 176 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,200 that Mirna Salihin was poisoned. 177 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,680 That was the start, "Wow, cyanide. Where do you get that? How is it sold?" 178 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,560 There was a lot of speculation within social media. 179 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,920 This cyanide case was trending. 180 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,800 Cyanide was the reason it went viral. 181 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,040 WATCH OUT FOR CYANIDE 182 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:50,440 Cyanide is interesting. 183 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:52,080 For example, during a war, 184 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,120 to avoid getting caught, they will swallow cyanide. 185 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,080 What is cyanide? 186 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:04,960 Cyanide is difficult to buy precisely because it's so lethal. 187 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:10,600 Tiny amounts are present in things like almonds, 188 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,520 apples, and cassava. 189 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:19,640 Cyanide is one of Earth's ten most poisonous substances. 190 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:23,520 Cyanide is related to cytochrome oxidase, 191 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:29,080 which stops the body's cells from getting the oxygen they need. 192 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:34,200 Unused O2 floods your bloodstream, 193 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:38,080 turning your skin turns cherry red. 194 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,480 Oxygen-starved organs then fail, 195 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:47,720 which will potentially lead to convulsions, coma, and death. 196 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:04,080 The police are working hard to find out who poisoned Mirna. 197 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,760 Crime scene investigations, reconstructions, 198 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,320 and questioning of witnesses have been done. 199 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,600 We were shocked to find out 200 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,680 that the suspect was her close friend. 201 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,160 My daughter is dead, and she bought the coffee. 202 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,960 -Who are you referring to? -I'm sure you know. Everyone knows. 203 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:23,840 Who else? The devil? 204 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,240 Jessica Wongso is a friend of Mirna. 205 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,520 They went to school in Australia. 206 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,200 They graduated together. 207 00:18:39,120 --> 00:18:41,360 Mirna came back home while she remained there. 208 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:46,320 I hadn't been to Indonesia for four years, 209 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,280 so when I arrived in Indonesia, 210 00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:53,440 I wanted to meet Mirna and my other friends. 211 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:56,840 I knew Mirna 212 00:18:58,120 --> 00:19:01,760 about eight years ago when we were both studying in Australia. 213 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,960 When we were in college, we would go out to eat or to drink coffee. 214 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,280 Every time we met, we always reconnected. 215 00:19:09,360 --> 00:19:12,320 We would always be laughing and having a good time. 216 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:36,640 Mirna might have been harsh to Jessica. 217 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,240 "Why are you such an idiot? Why would you want a guy like him?" 218 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,400 Hearing that, Jessica was offended. 219 00:19:58,320 --> 00:19:59,800 Jessica Kumala Wongso is back 220 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:02,400 for more questioning about the death of Wayan Mirna. 221 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,600 Do you feel guilty or not? 222 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,200 I was telling my friends, 223 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,000 "This girl is really crazy." 224 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,920 In my opinion, she is a very cruel person. 225 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:25,360 If there is a perpetrator that is still out there, 226 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,080 what is your message for them? 227 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,360 If you do something bad, you will get caught. 228 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:31,720 So don't do evil things like that. 229 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,160 You will be arrested one day. 230 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:43,360 At that time, Jessica was asked by a reporter from a TV station. 231 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,840 She replied to the news reporter 232 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,520 she did not maintain eye contact, 233 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,360 but instead she looked up. 234 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,760 I studied the paralinguistic method 235 00:20:58,360 --> 00:21:00,360 in investigative techniques. 236 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,200 When someone looks up when answering a question, 237 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,320 that is as if they were trying to make up some stories. 238 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,280 From my observations, perhaps she is the one who did it. 239 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,280 There are nine CCTV cameras at Café Olivier. 240 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:20,360 If we look, at 4:00 p.m., 241 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,360 she arrived early and surveyed the place earlier. 242 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:28,160 In criminology terms, it's called making a portrait. 243 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,680 It means this was something that was premeditated. 244 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,400 She was sitting on a huge sofa, 245 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:40,280 but why did she neatly put all her shopping bags on the table? 246 00:21:40,360 --> 00:21:42,360 The drinks were not visible. 247 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,360 Only the paper bags could be seen. 248 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,720 In my opinion, that is very… 249 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:49,560 strange. 250 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:11,680 -One by one. -Your bag, please. 251 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,720 Put it right there. 252 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:15,960 Do you have a plastic bag? 253 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:23,440 Investigators from Polda Metro Jaya have arrested Jessica Kumala Wongso 254 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,800 in connection to the death of Wayan Mirna Salihin 255 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,680 at a hotel in Mangga Dua, North Jakarta. 256 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,080 -How are you, Jessica? -Let her through. 257 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,280 -How are you, Jess? -Jessica. 258 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:47,600 When she was being brought to prison, she was still smiling. 259 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,760 How are you, Jess? 260 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,360 They found her at the hotel with her luggage packed. 261 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,240 She was going to run away. 262 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:05,160 There has never been a similar case 263 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,840 that has attracted as much public attention. 264 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:12,240 This cyanide coffee case can be compared to the OJ Simpson case, 265 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,480 but OJ Simpson is a professional athlete. 266 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,000 He is also a public figure. 267 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:19,440 So the question is, 268 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:23,440 why did this case become so interesting to the public? 269 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,840 The talk about her being lesbian, that was ridiculous to me. 270 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:19,040 There was so much chatter that was confusing and sensational. 271 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,680 It was very overwhelming for me. 272 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,800 Yes, everyone knows. 273 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,720 Bali, Medan… 274 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,320 When I come, "Mr. Edi, Mr. Darmawan," shaking hands. 275 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:44,880 "Picture, please." 276 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,280 "Hey, Mr. Darmawan!" Thousands surrounded me. 277 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,880 The first trial of Jessica Kumala Wongso for the murder of Wayan Mirna Salihin 278 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,920 began at the Central Jakarta District Court. 279 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,800 JESSICA'S FIRST TRIAL 280 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,600 On the first day, 281 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,320 I was a bit surprised. 282 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,640 I thought it would be a normal trial, 283 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,880 but in fact, wow! 284 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,160 People were so enthusiastic that it became hard for us to enter. 285 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,480 It was an extraordinary atmosphere. 286 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:34,880 Personally, I have never seen such a long queue to enter a courtroom. 287 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,920 It was like, for example, in Indonesia, 288 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,120 during weddings, 289 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,280 people will queue to greet the couple. 290 00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:47,200 Instead, they were queuing to enter the courtroom. 291 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,040 Like a movie shooting. 292 00:25:50,120 --> 00:25:56,440 The cameras were all in the front, and the audience couldn't be seen. 293 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:02,280 The trial would be on 24 hours across 14 TV stations in Indonesia. 294 00:26:02,360 --> 00:26:05,320 All of them focused on the case. 295 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,240 All of them were looking for me. 296 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,280 After finishing the trial, I would be interviewed. 297 00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:14,760 When I arrived, I was interviewed. I was so tired. 298 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:20,040 But because I didn't want Jessica to get away, I continued fighting. 299 00:26:20,120 --> 00:26:21,480 She's a liar! 300 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,640 She didn't move the glass? 301 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,440 The bags weren't there, she can't remember? 302 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:31,520 After I spoke outside the court and explained everything, 303 00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:37,040 only then did many more people believe 304 00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:38,800 that Jessica was the killer. 305 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,760 It can be said that the public opinion 306 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,120 was that almost 100% judged Jessica guilty. 307 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,440 Maybe it's because of business? 308 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,480 Jealousy? 309 00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,360 Maybe that’s why it happened. 310 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:00,400 You poisoned someone. 311 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,600 The method of killing shows you had bad intentions. 312 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,640 CENTRAL JAKARTA DISTRICT COURT 313 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:13,120 As you can see, the public prosecutors have arrived in the courtroom. 314 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,040 Jessica's case received a lot of public attention. 315 00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:22,080 Naturally, the prosecutors need to be professional and extra careful. 316 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:27,680 When they bring this case to trial with Jessica as the accused, 317 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:34,040 they can convince the judge that Jessica is guilty and is the killer. 318 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,520 We may all be prosecutors, but our taste in food is different. 319 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,480 But we are united by food from Padang. 320 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,400 Because you can only find food from Padang and Soto Bogor there. 321 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,360 PUBLIC PROSECUTOR 322 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:04,320 We are like soldiers who are on the front line. 323 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,360 If the verdict is "not guilty," 324 00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:11,680 then a bad image might stick to the prosecution team 325 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:18,280 because we are the "poster child" for the Jessica Kumala Wongso case. 326 00:28:20,120 --> 00:28:25,080 GOOD-LOOKING PROSECUTOR IN JESSICA'S TRIAL JUST MARRIED TO A CELEBRITY 327 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,760 TURNED OUT THAT HANDSOME PROSECUTOR IS SHANDY HANDIKA, 328 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,480 AND HE'S ALREADY MARRIED 329 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:36,160 HANDSOME PROSECUTOR'S WIFE IS PUTERI INDONESIA CONTESTANT 330 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,160 CENTRAL JAKARTA DISTRICT COURT 331 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,480 We feel this is enough, 332 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:44,200 a single charge of premeditated murder, Chapter 340. 333 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,320 So what we prove first is, 334 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,120 "What are the facts?" 335 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,920 What is the perpetrator doing? 336 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,720 What is the victim doing? 337 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,080 Those are the facts that we will reveal. 338 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,720 We didn't immediately accuse Jessica of committing the crime. 339 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,960 We went through the sequence of events 340 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:10,480 from when the coffee was made until it ultimately became evidence. 341 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,280 Who had touched the coffee? 342 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,480 Who was close to the coffee? That was all recorded on the CCTV. 343 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,360 From that… 344 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,480 If you look at the CCTV, 345 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,160 there were two strange moments. 346 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,560 The first was the chair shifting, 347 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,080 which blocked the view of the CCTV from behind. 348 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,400 Also, she placed the paper bag in front of the glass, 349 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,320 which then blocked the CCTV from the front. 350 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,560 Initially, we did not know 351 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:50,040 when the poison entered the drink. 352 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:56,520 We gave instructions to the investigators to carry out toxicology examinations. 353 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,040 The toxicologist conducted an experiment 354 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:06,760 and found out a range of time when the poison spread in the coffee. 355 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:12,440 At 16:29, there were some activities, not just for one second but a few seconds, 356 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:17,120 until the coffee was moved to the end of the table at 16:33. 357 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,240 During that period, there was no one else in that vicinity. 358 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:22,440 That was the bomb. 359 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,200 JESSICA CAN STILL SMILE 360 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,880 JUDGES ARE SURE THE DEFENDANT POISONED MIRNA SALIHIN 361 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,920 WITHOUT EXPRESSION 20 YEARS IN PRISON, JESSICA APPEALS 362 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,640 CHIEF JUDGE 363 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:08,720 I apologize. 364 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:10,160 Maybe… 365 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,280 This has gone too deep. 366 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,520 The trial for the death of Wayan Mirna Salihin 367 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:38,120 with the accused, Jessica Kumala Wongso, has entered the courtroom. 368 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,760 We will go live to the Central Jakarta District Court. 369 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:54,800 Strangely, from the trial's start, she was really calm. 370 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,320 Calm and calculated. 371 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,440 I felt I was pressured to give those answers. 372 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:03,960 What sort of pressure? 373 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,840 Pressure through words, just like how you pressure people sometimes. 374 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,960 What sort of pressure? 375 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,160 Try to answer. 376 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,400 If she believes she's innocent, she would have likely cried by now. 377 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,440 No such thing. 378 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,360 She's calm, always relaxed. 379 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:26,360 Why? 380 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,400 Because she has Otto Hasibuan. 381 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,720 She thinks she has a top lawyer. 382 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,760 Let's welcome Mr. Otto Hasibuan! 383 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,080 He seems so elegant. 384 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,720 He's a show-off, to get paid handsomely perhaps? 385 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,360 What an amazing person he is. 386 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,120 In my opinion, 387 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,360 I really don't think I'm a celebrity lawyer. 388 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:09,560 I gave it a unique name, Senayan Avenue by Ottolima. 389 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:15,120 I was born on the fifth day of the fifth month in 1955 390 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,520 at five in the morning. 391 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,840 Everything is connected to the number of five. 392 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,560 So that's why it's called Ottolima. 393 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,040 After playing golf, I'll sit there. 394 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,280 I'll take a few sips of wine, 395 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,440 but I often think about Jessica. 396 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,600 Sometimes you forget, but you meet people and they say, "Mr. Otto, Jessica." 397 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:45,080 That's what keeps me from ever forgetting about Jessica's case. 398 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:57,240 At that time, I was planning to go to Alaska with my family. 399 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,960 I had bought the tickets, I had booked the cruise, 400 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:06,880 and everything was ready to go. 401 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,200 But suddenly, I was contacted by a lawyer. 402 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:18,600 He came to my office with Jessica's mother. 403 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,880 She just said to me, "Mr. Otto, please help us." 404 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,240 She felt that she had been treated unfairly. 405 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:27,680 CLASS II A PRISON 406 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,120 I told Jessica, "I want to work on your case, 407 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,800 but if along the way, 408 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:42,840 I find that you are guilty, 409 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:47,040 I have the right to resign from handling this case." 410 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,560 She said, "Okay, no problem." 411 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:52,960 When I handled the case, 412 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,120 even my family was against me. 413 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,640 There was even a pastor who called me via WhatsApp 414 00:36:01,720 --> 00:36:03,760 and forbade me from handling this case. 415 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,440 Everyone hated me so much back then. 416 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:08,840 But I remained resolute. 417 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,080 I was certain this was worthy of defending. 418 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:12,720 At that time, 419 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:18,040 almost 99% of Indonesian people believed that Jessica was guilty. 420 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,160 So I felt there was a tremendous amount of pressure. 421 00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:23,960 Extremely difficult. 422 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,040 The trial of Wayan Mirna Salihin's murder with the accused, Jessica Kumala Wongso, 423 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:33,360 is set to continue. 424 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,800 From the start, I was sure I was going to win. 425 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:41,840 There was no reason, however small, for the judges to deem her guilty. 426 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,560 There is no proof. 427 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,000 Where was the cyanide taken out from? From her pocket? 428 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:52,320 From her trousers? From her bag? The prosecutors have not explained this. 429 00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:57,000 The defense wants there to be direct evidence 430 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,200 that Jessica poured the poison. 431 00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:02,600 But we don't believe there needs to be direct evidence. 432 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,280 We believe in circumstantial evidence. 433 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:10,400 The series of evidence we have is enough to show 434 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,760 that only Jessica could have committed the murder. 435 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,920 So when you think of courtrooms, 436 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:29,160 don't think of Hollywood movies where the judge plays the role of referee, 437 00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:32,920 and then the jury decides whether someone is guilty or not. 438 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,680 No. We don't have a jury system. 439 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,680 The decision if someone is guilty or not relies on the three judges. 440 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,080 They determine which evidence can be used or not. 441 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,880 They determine the sentence that will be imposed. 442 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,440 They have much power in the Indonesian justice system. 443 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,200 UNITY IN DIVERSITY 444 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,760 When a case is heard, 445 00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:01,760 it can be said that the position is 0-0. 446 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:04,160 On the one hand, 447 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:08,560 the public prosecutor must do everything to convince the judges 448 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,720 that the person sitting in the accused's chair 449 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,320 is truly the killer. 450 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,880 On the other hand, the lawyer will do everything in his power 451 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:23,760 to state that the accused is not the culprit. 452 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,440 That, in the criminal justice system, 453 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,360 is called the battle model. 454 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,800 The important key in this case was "death due to cyanide." 455 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,160 But as the trial went on 456 00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:43,360 and the witnesses were being examined, 457 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:49,160 we started to uncover some untruths in the statements provided. 458 00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:54,320 So after collecting samples for toxicological examinations, 459 00:38:54,400 --> 00:39:00,240 we concluded that the victim's stomach had gastric injuries 460 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,520 due to the presence of corrosive substances. 461 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,160 I asked the expert, Dr. Slamet. 462 00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:08,080 "Did you do an autopsy?" 463 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,360 We didn't do an autopsy. 464 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,400 Then I asked, "Why didn't you do an autopsy?" 465 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,160 -The police only requested that. -Police's request. 466 00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:26,360 In the case files, there was a letter from the police 467 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,520 that requested the hospital for an autopsy to be done. 468 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,240 PLEASE CONDUCT INVESTIGATIONS OF THE BODY AND VISUM ET REPERTUM 469 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:34,320 This is so weird. 470 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:36,760 That letter is the proof. 471 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,440 At that time, in Indonesia, 472 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,800 people deeply respected how the dead were handled. 473 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,520 When a full autopsy was needed, 474 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,400 one where the dissection would be from the head, 475 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:52,040 then the chest cavity, and then the stomach, 476 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:56,400 you would need firm approval from the deceased's parents. 477 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:03,880 The parents did not give permission for a full autopsy, 478 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,160 only for samples to be taken. 479 00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:08,600 The sample was taken… 480 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,560 from the stomach. Just a sample. 481 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,480 -If the brain had been examined… -Yes. 482 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,360 …could the death be attributed to a stroke? 483 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,000 -Yes, but the symptoms don't suggest that. -For example? 484 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,240 -But it's still possible? -Yes. 485 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,440 Is the judge a shaman? 486 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,600 What ability does a judge have to say that she died from cyanide? 487 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,800 If it's death due to natural causes, it can't be considered a crime. 488 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,560 They started to see something odd about this case. 489 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,560 In the name of God the Merciful, 490 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,400 to God, I hereby swear… 491 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:05,880 The case was so complicated. 492 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,000 Because in this case, there were so many experts 493 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,200 presented by the prosecutor. 494 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,600 All of the experts they presented, 495 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:21,320 we were able to prepare experts who could challenge them. 496 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,960 The expert witness that has been presented is Djadja Surya Atmaja. 497 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,080 Djadja is a forensic pathologist from RSCM 498 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,240 and is Indonesia's first DNA doctor. 499 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:44,160 Throughout the case, everyone was steered to hate Jessica and that she was guilty. 500 00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:45,760 My daughter told me this, 501 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,520 "Dad, why do you want to be involved in a case like this?" 502 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,680 "Do you know you have a lot of haters?" 503 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,400 So I said, the netizens can defend whoever they want. 504 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,920 But because I speak the truth, I don't care about all that. 505 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,120 That's it. 506 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:12,240 If you do not check all the organs, you cannot determine the cause of death. 507 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,000 That is dogma in forensics. 508 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,920 At that time, the situation was tense. 509 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,760 The prosecutors were all shocked. 510 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:23,840 Because I should have been summoned as their expert in court, 511 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,560 but instead, I was summoned by the defense. 512 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,160 If you do not examine the brain, we would not know 513 00:42:29,240 --> 00:42:31,720 if she suffered a stroke, for example. 514 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,360 Would the lungs have certain diseases or not? 515 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:35,360 Also, the heart. 516 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,960 All these are possible causes of death. 517 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,800 I watched, and I thought, "That's strange." 518 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:47,160 At the start, I had thought that Jessica had really done it. 519 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,680 But because I had doubts, I continued following the trials. 520 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,160 JESSICA CASE TRIAL 521 00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:55,600 The second thing that is more important, 522 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,920 when Mirna was examined 70 minutes after she died, 523 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,680 her stomach tested negative for cyanide. 524 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,360 If, after 70 minutes, she tested negative for cyanide, 525 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,880 it means there can be no cyanide in her body. 526 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,960 Based on the results of this investigation, 527 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,560 what is your conclusion? 528 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,480 Cyanide isn't the cause of death. 529 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,280 Whoa, they were cheering. It got loud and chaotic. 530 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,000 So that's why the judge knocked his gavel. 531 00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:28,080 The trial was getting too heated. 532 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,520 There's a big probability it wasn't her. 533 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,320 My conviction went up to 60%. 534 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,960 From the toxicology reports, 535 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,040 the analysis of her stomach revealed 536 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:45,320 a trace amount of 0.2 mg of cyanide. 537 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,040 They claimed that there was 0.2 mg of cyanide. 538 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:52,360 That was found three days after she died. 539 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,240 Even if this 0.2 mg was found, 540 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,480 it certainly didn't cause death. 541 00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,480 The lethal dose, the amount that causes death, 542 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,160 it's 176 mg. 543 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,120 I said the prosecutor's indictment is irrelevant. 544 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,840 The existing evidence is irrelevant. 545 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,200 DEPARTMENT OF CHEMISTRY 546 00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,800 The facts that I got, it made me doubt the data. 547 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:51,040 They also found certain calculations in the glass, 548 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,360 which were quite high, 7,400 mg. 549 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,240 Before this trial, I conducted some experiments. 550 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,040 Scientifically, I said, 551 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,520 experimental evidence indicates that cyanide 552 00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:10,280 can undergo a transformation from liquid to gas. 553 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,880 If that were to happen in a closed space like that, 554 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,000 then the gas would be everywhere. 555 00:45:17,720 --> 00:45:21,880 If we put this amount in the coffee, 556 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,600 what would happen to the people surrounding it? 557 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,280 Everyone there would faint. 558 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:31,840 Can we test it? 559 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,480 I suggest not. It's unsafe. 560 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:40,160 They claimed this is the bottle that contains cyanide. 561 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,080 I opened it. The judges were angry, "Don't open it!" 562 00:45:45,720 --> 00:45:47,320 I smelled it. Nothing happened. 563 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,400 It means there's no cyanide in it. 564 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:57,240 I concluded the presence of cyanide in the glass was suspicious. 565 00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,280 It must have been put in by someone else. 566 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,520 Right? And there are clear indications for that possibility. 567 00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:13,960 As for the glass that I secured, it was still the same glass. 568 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,080 Then I wrapped it with plastic wrap 569 00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,960 so that no one would throw it away or touch it. 570 00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:28,240 I wrapped the coffee and left it there. 571 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,320 After the police arrived, they took the coffee. 572 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:37,680 The glass that was examined had been changed repeatedly. 573 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:42,040 It's no longer the original that was taken from the crime scene. 574 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:46,520 Is there an official record of when it was transferred from the glass to the bottle? 575 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:48,280 I don't remember. 576 00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,080 If you don't remember, we will ask the prosecutors through the judges. 577 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,440 We need to search for it, Your Honor. 578 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:08,000 It seems that it is not there in the case files. 579 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:09,080 It's not there. 580 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,160 So there is none, right? Thank you, Your Honor, that's all. 581 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,520 Why must the evidence be sealed? 582 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,800 So that it will be valid. 583 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,120 If they can open it themselves, what's the point of it being sealed? 584 00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,360 From the evidence, 585 00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,960 we cannot conclude that she is guilty. 586 00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:35,040 How does a woman who has just graduated from school, just started working, 587 00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:40,240 have the ability or intention to kill someone 588 00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:42,640 using cyanide? 589 00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,160 What is the motive? 590 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,480 In every premeditated murder, there must be a motive. 591 00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,680 It's a common practice everywhere. 592 00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,000 The motive was simply 593 00:47:56,080 --> 00:48:01,200 because Jessica was advised by Mirna 594 00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:05,920 not to date her boyfriend in Australia. 595 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:11,960 Then because of that, she became angry and intended to kill Mirna. 596 00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,040 That's impossible in my opinion. 597 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,480 Do we really need a motive for a premeditated murder? 598 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,640 There are many expert opinions who think it doesn't need a motive. 599 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:32,200 A motive is important, but it does not need to be proven. 600 00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:36,920 Why is that so? Because the construction of the article doesn't require a motive. 601 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,960 ARTICLE 340. ANY PERSON WHO DELIBERATELY AND WITH PRIOR PLANNING 602 00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:45,280 TAKES THE LIFE OF ANOTHER PERSON, IS THREATENED WITH PREMEDITATED MURDER, 603 00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,560 WITH DEATH PENALTY OR LIFE IMPRISONMENT. 604 00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:51,240 Why should prosecutors be burdened with issues 605 00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,920 that are not required by the article to be proven? 606 00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:59,000 The motive can only be known by the perpetrator. 607 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,120 And it is very difficult if the perpetrator doesn't confess. 608 00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,760 There is an impression of untruth here. 609 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:10,360 There may be certain parties who want Jessica to be guilty. 610 00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:14,920 Because if not, why doesn't everyone want to be fair, right? 611 00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,840 So we know that before the trial started, 612 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:26,880 you, Devi, and Mr. Edi had a meeting. 613 00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,760 What was the atmosphere for the meeting? And what was discussed? 614 00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:33,120 I forgot. 615 00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,840 That happened so long ago. 616 00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:42,600 I'm afraid I might say the wrong things. 617 00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,880 At most, we met to discuss the case, 618 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:51,880 such as being consistent in speaking, speak the truth, and don't be afraid. 619 00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:57,400 The first time I met Mr. Edi Salihin, he… 620 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:06,280 He was a father whose heart was very broken. 621 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:07,760 I could see it… 622 00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,040 He was sad and very angry. 623 00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,040 Nobody would be able to accept that happening to their daughter. 624 00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,800 From Mr. Edi's perspective, 625 00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,200 Jessica had to be caught. 626 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:26,280 I carried out my own investigation because I was annoyed. 627 00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,960 At that time, I knew she was the murderer. Of course, I was committed. 628 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:31,800 I was very committed. 629 00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,000 Mir, I'm here. 630 00:50:55,240 --> 00:50:59,240 I am suffering an extraordinary loss. 631 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,800 Do you remember the trial, Mir? 632 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,480 Luckily, I defended you. 633 00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:19,880 Alone, without a lawyer. 634 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,200 But with my strength, my power, 635 00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,400 everything I used to fight. 636 00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,960 I had to do everything I could to fight Otto. 637 00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:35,080 They used money. 638 00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,520 I used some as well, but not that much. They spent more. 639 00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,480 Please forgive me. All my wrongdoings. 640 00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,040 I am a bad guy too. 641 00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,680 I keep changing women. I know I'm wrong. 642 00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,120 The trial for the death of Wayan Mirna Salihin 643 00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,000 resumes at the Central Jakarta District Court 644 00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,520 with the accused, Jessica Kumala Wongso. 645 00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:06,800 It turned out that there were a lot of strange things 646 00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:08,400 that happened during this trial. 647 00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:11,440 Before I testified, 648 00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:17,000 there was a photo of Mirna taken after her death, 649 00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:18,240 and her face was blue. 650 00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:22,280 A person who dies because of cyanide will have high levels of HbO2. 651 00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:26,560 If the HbO2 levels are high, it means it won't be blue but red. 652 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:30,280 After I said that people with cyanide poisoning have red faces, 653 00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,680 the same photo circulated, but her face was red in them. 654 00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,160 The "cherry red" color that's been searched for has been found. 655 00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:40,240 This was at the funeral home before she was bathed. 656 00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,160 The cherry red color emerged. 657 00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:46,720 I was the first doctor to see her corpse two hours after she died. 658 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,280 I saw her eyes-- Her face was blue. 659 00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:50,840 Her face is red here. 660 00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:56,000 -We can't rely on that picture. -It's on my desk. That's the problem. 661 00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,200 I said a photo could be easily manipulated. 662 00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,640 The color can be changed from red to blue. 663 00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:04,080 It's funny, no? 664 00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:07,800 What? 665 00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,280 After I testified, there was a commotion at the back. 666 00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:11,840 It was chaotic. 667 00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,520 There were police everywhere. I didn't know what was going on. 668 00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:20,480 Later I found out there was someone who got angry after my testimony. 669 00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:23,160 Earlier this morning, 670 00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,960 Mirna's father placed that photo 671 00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,000 on the judges' and the prosecutors' table. 672 00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:31,920 That evidence is not legitimate. 673 00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:35,680 Her father brought a gun. 674 00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:38,000 After the trial, 675 00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:40,880 he took out his gun. 676 00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,600 He wanted to scare me. 677 00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,520 It was as if he could 678 00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,440 kill me or do something bad. 679 00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,800 I've known Jessica since she was a child. 680 00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,440 She never got into fights, never caused trouble in school. 681 00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,040 She was a normal child. 682 00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:10,200 The trial was morning to night, till 2:00 a.m. 683 00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:12,200 THE PRETRIAL HAS NOT STARTED 684 00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:13,680 We would skip meals. 685 00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,080 We were chased by reporters. 686 00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,360 I did not go home for months. 687 00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,600 I was living like a homeless person. 688 00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:30,160 I suffered, and in the end, I fell sick. 689 00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:37,280 Did she put poison in the coffee? Can it be seen? 690 00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:41,320 I have no regrets in handling Jessica's case. 691 00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,240 Anyway, I think I'm always optimistic to win. 692 00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:51,760 Still on the "Cyanide Coffee" case, which is now on the 20th day of the trial. 693 00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:57,320 Jessica Kumala Wongso's courtroom at that time was like… 694 00:54:58,800 --> 00:54:59,760 a football stadium. 695 00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,440 It's a lie! Liar! 696 00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:04,760 Each of them had their own supporters. 697 00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,640 People were divided between supporting Mirna and Jessica. 698 00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:12,360 If the prosecutor asked something and they were happy, they applauded. 699 00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,120 Can you make it clearer? 700 00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,480 Just like that. 701 00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,800 When I asked something, they applaud. 702 00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:21,840 I can't see it. 703 00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:23,880 -Really? I can see it. -Which one? 704 00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:30,760 Otto Hasibuan's skill in shifting public opinion was extraordinary. 705 00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,280 Jessica's supporters were increasing. 706 00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,400 They really believed, and it was all over their social media. 707 00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,000 They believed that Jessica was innocent. 708 00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,280 If you ask me, 709 00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,560 the evidence is still ambiguous. 710 00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,840 Impossible. 1,000% impossible. 711 00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:04,640 I felt I was successful 712 00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:08,360 in influencing the media and the people at that time. 713 00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:15,120 Honestly, in my opinion, there can be no excuses for us not winning. 714 00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,160 99% we were sure we would win. 715 00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:27,480 The cyanide coffee trial is heating up. The courtroom atmosphere is quite chaotic. 716 00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:32,240 The arguments between the prosecutors and the defense can no longer be avoided. 717 00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:33,640 Everyone, order. 718 00:56:33,720 --> 00:56:36,480 Don't protest directly to me. Do it through the judges. 719 00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:38,160 Keep quiet, everyone. 720 00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:40,440 Maybe the intensity was getting stronger. 721 00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,840 That became a risk and a challenge for us. 722 00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,520 We were tired and also emotional. 723 00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:49,960 The trials lasted until night. 724 00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,520 We took turns sleeping. 725 00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:56,000 Some were sleeping, some were still working. 726 00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:59,360 We gathered at Shandy's house at that time, remember? 727 00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:03,040 As the trial went on day by day, 728 00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,440 it was getting more complicated to handle. 729 00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:09,040 -Objection, Your Honor. -Hold on first. 730 00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,480 Objection, Your Honor. He's drawing conclusions. 731 00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:16,120 For me, a memorable day 732 00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:20,040 was maybe when I had an argument with the legal advisor. 733 00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:21,800 Okay then, now answer this. 734 00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,680 Sir, did you bring the data that you analyzed? 735 00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:27,440 -No. -Didn't bring the data? 736 00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,960 -Do you remember what you analyzed? -It's there. 737 00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,480 -It's all there. -I didn't ask the lawyer. 738 00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:36,920 Every question I asked was interrupted by the defense. 739 00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:42,760 So in the end, a shouting match ensued. 740 00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,640 -Please respect me. -Don't yell at my witness. 741 00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:49,080 -Respect my witness! -I will respect you if you respect me. 742 00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,240 There must be a debate. 743 00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,960 So it was like we were provided a ring, like a boxing ring, 744 00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:00,880 and here you fight according to the rules. 745 00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,960 We believed the defense wanted to discredit and attack 746 00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:08,560 the integrity of our experts and evidence. 747 00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,680 We did the same thing, and that's allowed in a court of law. 748 00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,960 For example, to illustrate in a joking way, 749 00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:17,720 if someone wants to put a curse on me, I already have some antidote ready. 750 00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:19,240 It's kind of like that. 751 00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:27,720 Your Honor, we invite Mr. Beng Beng Ong from Australia. 752 00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,360 He is a forensic pathologist. 753 00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:34,080 One moment I could not forget during the trials 754 00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:38,000 was when Beng Beng Ong was treated unfairly. 755 00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:41,400 Professor Beng Beng Ong testified. He said, "No case." 756 00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:55,200 He said that what the experts in Indonesia presented was wrong. 757 00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,520 We immediately did research. 758 00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,680 Was what the expert presented true? 759 00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:03,000 Then how do we counter it? 760 00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:06,360 Was the expert legally allowed to present in the trial? 761 00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,280 When did you come to Indonesia? 762 00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:12,040 That seems irrelevant. 763 00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:15,440 Did you receive a fee to come here? 764 00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,760 Objection, Your Honor. That is very unethical. 765 00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,880 In the end, we caused a "plot twist." 766 00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,880 As a professional who receives payment, 767 00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:30,920 under Article 102, it is mandatory for you to use a Limited Stay Visa. 768 00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:34,840 We reported the expert for immigration offenses. 769 00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:39,280 Beng Beng Ong has to be deported and is banned from entering Indonesia 770 00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:40,520 for six months. 771 00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:44,120 The prosecutors at that time were not being professional. 772 00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:48,240 From the standpoint of justice and truth, it's inappropriate, in my opinion. 773 00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,560 So how we trap the enemy and make them emotional, 774 00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:55,360 we will do that as well. 775 00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,640 When someone is emotional, 776 00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:01,920 they will not be able to think logically. 777 01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,480 That is just part of the strategy. 778 01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:05,880 Thank you, Your Honor. 779 01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:13,880 After that, I realized that our chances of winning had faded 780 01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,640 because something was not right there. 781 01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:20,640 And that's when I realized 782 01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:22,280 it's impossible to win. 783 01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,680 The guilty rate in Indonesia is very high. Why? 784 01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:38,760 WHO POISONED MIRNA? 785 01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:40,640 The police have enormous power. 786 01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:45,640 The prosecutors have power that is not balanced compared to a lawyer. 787 01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,760 The huge power of the prosecutors and police 788 01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:52,240 means the judges no longer act as referees. 789 01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:53,720 They are no longer neutral. 790 01:00:56,680 --> 01:01:02,640 Is there any evidence that the murder was committed directly by Jessica Wongso? 791 01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:04,560 The answer is no. 792 01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:09,040 So where is the evidence of Jessica's involvement? 793 01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:10,480 Where's the evidence? 794 01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,320 There are only allegations, only perceptions. 795 01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,680 This is strange and bizarre. 796 01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:23,880 There was no direct evidence, but how did the defense lose? 797 01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:29,400 Because the defense could not provide evidence or experts 798 01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:33,720 who could convince the judge that his client was not a murderer. 799 01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:35,720 That was actually the problem. 800 01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:43,240 Then there was also a statement from a psychologist and a psychiatrist 801 01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:49,360 that Jessica has an explosive-compulsive psychological character. 802 01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,560 Buried inside her is an oddity, 803 01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:01,480 as she is always calm. 804 01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,720 She's what's called a narcissistic psycho. 805 01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,280 She is a psychopath, which means she's crazy. 806 01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:11,800 She's also narcissistic. 807 01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:16,200 That's according to a forensic expert. 808 01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:21,960 Heartache, revenge, makes her feel empty. 809 01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:26,320 We can see her narcissism emerge, like a child. 810 01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,280 "Please pay attention to me." 811 01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:34,480 Just by looking at the physiognomy of facial expressions, 812 01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:36,680 you can tell she is a vengeful type of person. 813 01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:40,560 Well, you also said the defendant is quick to respond 814 01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:43,160 and very intense regarding her emotions. 815 01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,280 What do you mean by that? 816 01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:49,360 -I know that from the shape of this part. -Okay. 817 01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:55,360 There were experts who tried 818 01:02:55,440 --> 01:03:00,200 to label the defendant as a bad person, that she was indeed a true criminal. 819 01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:05,320 How? From judging the shape of the nose, by looking at how her lips moved. 820 01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,240 This is an obsolete theory. 821 01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:25,800 Her eyes don't sparkle at all. 822 01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:29,720 Her eyes don't sparkle like Julia Roberts, for example. 823 01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:34,960 Eyes that sparkle and don't have meaning behind them. 824 01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:51,960 The prosecutor is not proving Jessica committed the act of murder, 825 01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:55,440 but what the prosecutor is trying to do is convince the judge 826 01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,160 that Jessica may kill someone. 827 01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:02,440 Your theory about all these, where did it originate? 828 01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:04,520 From empirical studies, 829 01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:08,200 studies of film stars in America and so on. 830 01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:11,640 Your thoughts and findings are fascinating! 831 01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:21,480 This is the atmosphere from the trial at Central Jakarta District Court 832 01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:26,480 where the trial for the murder case of Wayan Mirna Salihin… 833 01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:31,080 At that time, I felt the same as everyone, afraid to be close to someone 834 01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:34,800 accused of killing another person using cyanide. 835 01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:37,320 But then, there was a moment. 836 01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:39,360 I got a small note 837 01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:42,000 that was handed over to me by Jessica's lawyer. 838 01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,600 It turned out to be a handwritten note from Jessica. 839 01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:49,000 She just wrote, "I really like your wardrobe." 840 01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:52,480 Jessica was checking out my clothes? 841 01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:56,000 Wow! I wrote back immediately, 842 01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,080 "By the way, we are the same age." 843 01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:01,000 I said we are both Libras. 844 01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:05,040 We are only three days apart, we both have the dragon as the zodiac, 845 01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:06,960 and I returned the paper to Jessica. 846 01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:11,760 So I had the opportunity to talk during the trial break. 847 01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:15,040 I asked, "Jessica, can I interview you?" 848 01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:20,440 Finally, she wanted to open up and talk. 849 01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:24,160 But then I observed… 850 01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:29,080 I saw a person that was very spoiled. 851 01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:31,640 Sometimes her mother has to feed her food. 852 01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:35,520 When a psychologist described her as a structured person 853 01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,720 who can organize a plan "to a tee," 854 01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:40,120 that's something very contradictory. 855 01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,760 What's being pictured does not resemble Jessica. 856 01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:51,320 A psychologist from the University of Indonesia, Dewi Taviana Warida, 857 01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:54,240 was called to the trial for the accused, Jessica Kumala Wongso. 858 01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:58,680 When I was in court that day, 859 01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:05,040 I felt like a famous actor or a star. 860 01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:08,560 As soon as I arrived, the lights started flashing. 861 01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:10,280 I didn't know what was going on. 862 01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:11,720 I was shocked. 863 01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:15,560 The media blew this up too much. 864 01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:20,440 When the cyanide coffee trial was broadcasted, 865 01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:24,040 television news ratings were able to beat soap operas. 866 01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:27,720 The dramatic element was what attracted the public. 867 01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,240 A black and white narrative, 868 01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:35,040 as if the deceased, Mirna, was an innocent person, 869 01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:39,280 while Jessica was the most evil person. 870 01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:44,400 This case exploded because people saw that Mirna was beautiful. 871 01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,040 "Why was she killed?" People were wondering. 872 01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:50,080 Jessica's face is a bit weird. 873 01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:58,920 In my opinion, 874 01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:04,200 if you look at Jessica's character and face, 875 01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:06,840 it seems like she is able to keep or hide something. 876 01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:07,880 Vengeance. 877 01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:12,040 From the look in her eyes, she looks like she's mentally ill. 878 01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:15,200 From a scientific point of view, 879 01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:17,600 for instance, if someone is thought to be evil, 880 01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:22,160 and coincidentally the person is not beautiful or not handsome, 881 01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:26,160 once their behavior is labeled negative, all their actions are judged as such. 882 01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:31,000 Society considers the ugly one guilty, 883 01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:33,440 and the beautiful one must be saved. 884 01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:37,920 It then becomes something like a soap opera. 885 01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:44,200 How do you unify this country? 886 01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:46,840 Such a huge country. 887 01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:50,040 Made up of 17,000 islands, 888 01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:54,560 700 languages, 300 ethnic groups. 889 01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:03,240 The leader of our nation at that time 890 01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:05,320 had lofty ambitions. 891 01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:09,320 Television would be the glue for society, 892 01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:12,120 and television as a whole became widespread. 893 01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:19,480 Around the 1990s, 894 01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:21,680 Jakarta gave birth to a new era, 895 01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:24,400 the birth of the Sinetron. 896 01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:33,880 What made us addicted was the lifestyles of the rich, 897 01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:34,960 ill-mannered… 898 01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:38,960 and egoistical. 899 01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:42,200 I am not answering any questions. 900 01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:48,280 This is probably what made this case one of the biggest in Indonesia. 901 01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:02,560 When you usually drink red wine, where is it from? 902 01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:07,160 -Cockburn, Graham. Places like that. -Cockburn, okay. I got you. 903 01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:08,880 I prefer it lighter. 904 01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:25,920 Let me tell you. 905 01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:29,800 That information from Australia was very important. 906 01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:33,840 The murder case of Wayan Mirna Salihin with suspect Jessica Kumala Wongso 907 01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:36,720 is presenting a witness from the Australian Police. 908 01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:39,680 It was mentioned there were 14 cases 909 01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:44,640 involving Jessica Kumala Wongso with the Australian Police. 910 01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:51,040 Yes, it was Officer John Torres who said she wanted to commit suicide. 911 01:09:57,480 --> 01:10:03,080 Then she crashed into the nursing home and destroyed it. 912 01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:12,160 She even wanted to kill her boss. 913 01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:17,960 During that time, the defendant said, 914 01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:21,440 "If I wanted to kill someone, I would know how to." 915 01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:24,320 "I can get a gun, and I know the right dosage." 916 01:10:30,480 --> 01:10:33,600 The accused, Jessica Wongso, underwent psychiatric examinations 917 01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:35,200 at the RSCM Hospital. 918 01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:38,680 Amongst the evidence collected were anti-depressant pills 919 01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:42,080 usually used by patients with mental health conditions. 920 01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:43,240 The public thought 921 01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:46,880 that only a person with a mental disorder could do such an evil deed 922 01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:48,080 in a public setting. 923 01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:56,600 My biggest criticism is that we too easily, and even arbitrarily, 924 01:10:56,680 --> 01:11:01,960 use someone's mental state as the grounds for judging them. 925 01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:04,000 Jessica got into an accident, right? 926 01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:07,520 Jessica allegedly got into a fight with her boss. 927 01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:09,480 Those are separate issues. 928 01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:11,240 I'm going to be extreme. 929 01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:13,720 People who said she was a psychopath, 930 01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:15,720 they made it up. 931 01:12:06,440 --> 01:12:08,360 LET'S MEET UP AFTER NEW YEAR 932 01:12:08,440 --> 01:12:09,960 4TH DAY, ALRIGHT? 933 01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:11,600 WHEN ARE YOU GUYS FREE THIS WEEKEND? 934 01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:12,680 I CAN'T THIS WEEK 935 01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:13,720 NEXT WEEK, THEN 936 01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:21,120 A week before the final trial, she asked, 937 01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:24,280 "What is my situation, uncle? Will they let me free?" 938 01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:28,600 I didn't know how to respond to her. 939 01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:43,400 After four months, the trials for the murder case of Wayan Mirna Salihin 940 01:12:43,480 --> 01:12:45,040 are entering the final phase. 941 01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:50,600 The judges will decide on the verdict for the accused, Jessica Kumala Wongso. 942 01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:57,080 Otto knew, he was shaking his head, he was going to lose. 943 01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:14,280 "One. The Defendant, Jessica Kumala, 944 01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:17,960 aka Jessica Kumala Wongso, aka Jess, 945 01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:22,520 has been legally and convincingly proven 946 01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:26,920 guilty of committing a crime." 947 01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:35,880 "Two. The Defendant will be sentenced 948 01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:39,440 to imprisonment with 20 years for the crimes committed." 949 01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,400 That is the decision of the court. 950 01:13:42,480 --> 01:13:44,600 JESSICA'S TRIAL VERDICT 951 01:13:57,280 --> 01:14:00,840 I convinced the prosecutor and the judge. 952 01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:04,000 That's how it ended, a happy ending. 953 01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:11,600 Thank you, Your Honor. I do not accept the verdict. 954 01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:15,800 In my opinion, it is unfair and biased. 955 01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:19,520 Frankly, I was actually shaken there, 956 01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:22,880 but I had to hold back my feelings. 957 01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:28,360 Because the judges' decision is unfair, biased, 958 01:14:28,440 --> 01:14:31,160 and extremely not according to the law… 959 01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:34,160 JESSICA SENTENCED TO 20 YEARS IN PRISON 960 01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:38,800 Also, we have heard the "death knell for justice" at this trial. 961 01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:42,360 As a result, we assertively say that we will appeal. 962 01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:55,080 When the judge decided she was guilty, 963 01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,080 she didn't cry much. 964 01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:08,320 But after we brought her to the back, 965 01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:12,480 that's where she burst into tears, which people didn't know. 966 01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:21,000 We must continue to sail in the ark of life. 967 01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:24,240 We'll see what's in the future. 968 01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:31,040 We went to the prison. 969 01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:33,600 She didn't want to meet us. 970 01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:38,040 She screamed, "I don't want to, I don't want to!" 971 01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:39,280 Crazy, right? 972 01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:44,080 If she was innocent, she would yell, "Hey, Mr. Edi, I didn't kill Mirna." 973 01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:46,560 "Mr. Edi, don't be like that. Let's go find out." 974 01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:51,040 She doesn't want to. Not that she can't. 975 01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:09,520 WOMEN'S CORRECTIONAL INSTITUTION CLASS II A 976 01:16:49,480 --> 01:16:55,440 I love to restore old cars like this. I really love it. 977 01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:58,480 I've loved it since childhood. 978 01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:01,520 Now, the story behind this car. 979 01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:05,480 During the course of this trial, my friend was watching it. 980 01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:09,360 He said, "I bet that Jessica would be released." 981 01:17:09,440 --> 01:17:11,880 "I'm betting on a car." 982 01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:16,120 In the verdict, it turned out that Jessica wouldn't be released. 983 01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:19,840 Well, a few days later, he said, 984 01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:22,240 "Here are the car keys. Take it home." 985 01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:26,080 I said, "Are you crazy? Is this really for me?" 986 01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:28,960 He said, "I lost a bet!" 987 01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:34,440 Now the question is, why can't she be interviewed? 988 01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:36,520 I'm also wondering why. 989 01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:39,680 Jessica is not a terrorist. Even terrorists can be interviewed. 990 01:17:41,440 --> 01:17:45,240 Imam Samudra, before he was executed, 991 01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:46,880 he was interviewed. 992 01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:51,480 Even Mr. Otto was surprised, "Why can't she be interviewed?" 993 01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:58,320 I sympathize a lot with Jessica. 994 01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:01,840 Actually, it's quite sad. 995 01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:04,760 She was treated unfairly during the trials. 996 01:18:05,440 --> 01:18:08,600 And now, it's the same thing. 997 01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:16,120 When I got there, Jessica handed me her diary. 998 01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:29,960 MIRNA, WHAT TIME ARE YOU ARRIVING? 999 01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:31,240 AROUND FOUR PLUS 1000 01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:33,600 -ARE YOU STILL AT SUNTER? -ON THE WAY 1001 01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:38,440 TELL US WHAT YOU ARE BUSY DOING BEHIND THE PAPER BAGS? 1002 01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:46,560 Whether someone framed Jessica or not, 1003 01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:50,720 I'd like to say I can think so, yes. 1004 01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:55,520 Because of the procedure for examining evidence 1005 01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:58,920 and evidence carried out in the court… 1006 01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:03,240 In my opinion, they were very unreasonable. 1007 01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:05,480 CASE FILE PREMEDITATED MURDER 1008 01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:08,760 And during the trial, 1009 01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:14,960 every time I made a breakthrough to prove otherwise, they always cut me. 1010 01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,400 So what's really going on? 1011 01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:23,360 There are certain people that want her to be punished. 1012 01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:28,800 I could tell you more about it, 1013 01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:31,600 but maybe not everything could be told, right? 1014 01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:34,560 Not everything could be told. 1015 01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:39,440 Because I have to prove things first, right? 1016 01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:42,760 Well, the evidence maybe lacking, but I know it happened. 1017 01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:52,640 Up till now, this was the sole case 1018 01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:58,000 where a certain party called me and asked me to stop talking. 1019 01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:03,040 There was a particular party who put money in my bag. 1020 01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:08,840 I concluded that the money was a way to keep me silent on the case. 1021 01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:15,640 If I'm an ordinary person who has nothing to do with this case, 1022 01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:17,520 why would they want to give me money? 1023 01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:23,840 I was concerned that they'd also bribe the law enforcement officers. 1024 01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:27,320 With an even bigger amount. That is my concern. 1025 01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:30,400 This is going to sound controversial, 1026 01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:32,520 but in my opinion, 1027 01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:35,440 and according to research conducted by ICJR, 1028 01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:38,280 there is a possibility that Jessica was found guilty 1029 01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:41,760 because someone had to be blamed for the death. 1030 01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:44,240 So in that context, 1031 01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:49,640 the police and the prosecutors couldn't find any other suspect. 1032 01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:55,880 The police were embarrassed because the case had blown up. 1033 01:21:56,440 --> 01:21:59,760 They are now subjected to the law of karma. 1034 01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:03,280 You have police careers that have stalled and lots of other things. 1035 01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:05,400 It's not a matter of being innocent or guilty, 1036 01:22:05,480 --> 01:22:08,920 but more importantly, it's how the Indonesian criminal justice system 1037 01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:14,800 deemed someone guilty despite the lingering doubts. 1038 01:22:15,480 --> 01:22:18,880 If you deem Jessica's case reasonable, 1039 01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:21,680 I'll let your imagination run wild 1040 01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:26,120 about how other cases in Indonesia are done. 1041 01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:29,240 If this involved an ordinary person, 1042 01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:31,760 there would likely be a death penalty. 1043 01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:44,240 Our criminal justice system needs to be reformed 1044 01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:46,600 so that our ideals of reform, 1045 01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:49,400 the ideals of independence that all Indonesian people 1046 01:22:49,480 --> 01:22:52,800 can gain access to justice is achieved. 1047 01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:56,080 We need to reform the criminal justice system. 1048 01:22:56,160 --> 01:22:58,320 Why? Because anyone can be next. 1049 01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:01,320 Anyone can be the next victim. 1050 01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:02,800 That's my point.